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    #692
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    billyhead wrote: »
    Folks, Water charges are hear to stay as Fine Gael will be re elected in the next government as we have a herd mentality when it comes to voting like what happened in the UK with the conservatives back in power. If you believe the political spin from other parties about abolishing IW if they get back in your a fool. If people don't want to pay that's there choice and they can take the penalty hit down the road.

    While I agree FG are gonna be back in power the tory analogy doesn't really work since FG will require a partner while the tories didnt so they can get away with whatever they want and FG will need to do some compromises


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    #693
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    VinLieger wrote: »
    While I agree FG are gonna be back in power the tory analogy doesn't really work since FG will require a partner while the tories didnt so they can get away with whatever they want and FG will need to do some compromises

    FG have been polling early to mid 20's for almost 3 years now.
    FF are almost level with them.
    SF are around the 20% mark.

    Labour, FG's partner in government are currently on 6%.

    How can you be so certain FG will be back in power?

    IW will be a deal maker/breaker when the next government is being formed.

    The only one's in favour of keeping the scam going are FG and Labour.


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    #694
    billyhead
    Registered Users Posts: 9,857 ✭✭✭billyhead


    NorthStars wrote: »
    FG have been polling early to mid 20's for almost 3 years now.
    FF are almost level with them.
    SF are around the 20% mark.

    Labour, FG's partner in government are currently on 6%.

    How can you be so certain FG will be back in power?

    IW will be a deal maker/breaker when the next government is being formed.

    The only one's in favour of keeping the scam going are FG and Labour.


    The bigger issue on the doorsteps in the next election I feel will be the homeless crisis and not IW.


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    #695
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    NorthStars wrote: »
    The only one's in favour of keeping the scam going are FG and Labour.

    Its hard to have real conversations with people who insist on using such inflammatory statements like this im out again for a while


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    #696
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Its hard to have real conversations with people who insist on using such inflammatory statements like this im out again for a while

    Eh?

    The guy claimed that FG will be re-elected and that everyone would pay up, with penalties.
    I gave the current state of the parties in the polls.

    Who else, apart from FG and Labour, want to keep the quango going?


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    #697
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Its hard to have real conversations with people who insist on using such inflammatory statements like this im out again for a while

    It's easier to just use the ignore feature rather than miss out on discussion.


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    #698
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    billyhead wrote: »
    The bigger issue on the doorsteps in the next election I feel will be the homeless crisis and not IW.

    The homeless crisis which FG and Labour have presided over? How many people were classed as homeless in early 2011?

    How about the waiting lists, growing longer by the day under this FG/Labour government?

    You guys still claiming FG are a cert to form the next government?


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    #699
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It's easier to just use the ignore feature rather than miss out on discussion.

    Just like the Gardai whistleblowers were ignored, eh?


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    #700
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It's easier to just use the ignore feature rather than miss out on discussion.

    Personally,I can take or leave it.

    I have that choice,no need for imagined "ignore" buttons.

    Simple life choices.


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    #701
    conorh91
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    billyhead wrote: »
    If you believe the political spin from other parties about abolishing IW if they get back in your a fool
    Even SF aren't saying they'd abolish Irish Water. Well... to be precise, they'd abolish Irish Water and then replace it with another quango, presumably with the same staff, but it would no longer be called Irish Water.

    Anyone who says they would abolish Irish Water is talking complete nonsense, including Fianna Fail. It should be obvious that whether you think we should pay for water or not, the work should be undertaken by a single, dedicated, expert agency, and not by 31 local authorities, each of them trying to reinvent the wheel and hiring the same consultants, with no regard for economies of scale.

    That is what got us in this mess to begin with.


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    #702
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    conorh91 wrote: »
    Even SF aren't saying they'd abolish Irish Water. Well... to be precise, they'd abolish Irish Water and then replace it with another quango, presumably with the same staff, but it would no longer be called Irish Water.

    Anyone who says they would abolish Irish Water is talking complete nonsense, including Fianna Fail. It should be obvious that whether you think we should pay for water or not, the work should be undertaken by a single, dedicated, expert agency, and not by 31 local authorities, each of them trying to reinvent the wheel and hiring the same consultants, with no regard for economies of scale.

    That is what got us in this mess to begin with.

    Irish water

    It was part of the FG 2011 manifesto,it was recommended by the IMF,it was set up by FG and Labour.

    The government made poor decisions in setting it up,and have continually exascerbated the quango,by making numerous well documented cock ups.

    Throw in the Siteserv/IBRC issue,and the water grant,to name but two of a long line of self made dodgy events,and there you have it.

    The point is,the Irish water farce,has little or nothing to do with local authorities.

    They may be part of the wider issue regarding the emergence of this quango,but FG and Labour are accountable,and still stand over this eroding quango.

    The HSE should clearly be abolised,it is not fit for pupose,we are entitled to a better health service.

    Irish water should be abolished,it is clearly not fit for purpose,we are entitled to a functioning body,that is fit for purpose,and not maintained for political purpose,and to save face.


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    #703
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    gladrags wrote: »
    Irish water

    It was part of the FG 2011 manifesto,it was recommended by the IMF,it was set up by FG and Labour.

    The government made poor decisions in setting it up,and have continually exascerbated the quango,by making numerous well documented cock ups.

    Throw in the Siteserv/IBRC issue,and the water grant,to name but two of a long line of self made dodgy events,and there you have it.

    The point is,the Irish water farce,has little or nothing to do with local authorities.

    They may be part of the wider issue regarding the emergence of this quango,but FG and Labour are accountable,and still stand over this eroding quango.

    The HSE should clearly be abolised,it is not fit for pupose,we are entitled to a better health service.

    Irish water should be abolished,it is clearly not fit for purpose,we are entitled to a functioning body,that is fit for purpose,and not maintained for political purpose,and to save face.

    FG invented IW in 2009, long before the IMF/Troika were in this country.
    It was set up to benefit the 'friends of FG', their financial backers, one in particular.
    They, and their labour sidekicks have squandered at least a billion, probably 2 billion at this stage, of our tax euro on their failing quango.

    A quango that Eurostat seen straight through for what it was, a scam on the Irish taxpayer.

    Intelligent people know when to quit, FG & labour people aren't blessed with much intelligence, gombeenism & cronyism yes, but not intelligence.


    BTW, any sign of the 23 court cases we were promised?
    Has anyone been arrested/charged etc etc?

    Howlin's niece is playing a blinder on this one.

    Did you know that since her favourite uncle got into office she has doubled her salary (over €160k pa now) from the state?
    One of the chief solicitors in the DPP's office now.
    She's one of the two bosses in the 'director's section', the one who makes recommendations regarding prosecutions being brought to court etc etc....

    Funny that, isn't it?


    Although to be fair, they didn't really think it through......much like the set up of the quango.


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    #704
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,482 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    NorthStars wrote: »
    The homeless crisis which FG and Labour have presided over? How many people were classed as homeless in early 2011?

    How about the waiting lists, growing longer by the day under this FG/Labour government?

    You guys still claiming FG are a cert to form the next government?

    Hmmmm seems plenty of people saw it as a way of forcing the Govts. hand .


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    #705
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    NorthStars wrote: »
    The homeless crisis which FG and Labour have presided over? How many people were classed as homeless in early 2011?

    How about the waiting lists, growing longer by the day under this FG/Labour government?

    You guys still claiming FG are a cert to form the next government?
    And with the utopia that was Ireland in 2011 which they inherited, they have nobody to blame but themselves.


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    #706
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    Billy86 wrote: »
    And with the utopia that was Ireland in 2011 which they inherited, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

    Yep, roll over for the banksters at the expense of everyone else.
    We know what happened.
    €8 billion pa in interest payments on state loans, €3 billion of which is because of the bank guarantee/bailout, extended by the FG/Labour banksters government.

    When the Greeks get their writedown, their second or is it their third one?, the government cheerleaders here will carry on regardless.


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    #707
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    NorthStars wrote: »
    Yep, roll over for the banksters at the expense of everyone else.
    We know what happened.
    €8 billion pa in interest payments on state loans, €3 billion of which is because of the bank guarantee/bailout, extended by the FG/Labour banksters government.

    When the Greeks get their writedown, their second or is it their third one?, the government cheerleaders here will carry on regardless.

    Lets compare Greeces economy over the last four years with our own so, if that is what you want...


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    #708
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Billy86 wrote: »
    And with the utopia that was Ireland in 2011 which they inherited, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

    They helped to create that Utopia.

    Enough was not enough,was the FG mantra.


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    #709
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Lets compare Greeces economy over the last four years with our own so, if that is what you want...

    Lets compare the writedown Ireland never asked for and the ones Greece actually gets.........if you want...Billy.


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    #710
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    NorthStars wrote: »
    Lets compare the writedown Ireland never asked for and the ones Greece actually gets.........if you want...Billy.

    Yeah sure, and like I said... Let's compare their economy to ours over the last few years while we're at it, and see who has done better in getting through that crisis.


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    #711
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yeah sure, and like I said... Let's compare their economy to ours over the last few years while we're at it, and see who has done better in getting through that crisis.

    You think Ireland's crisis was anywhere near as bad as Greece's?:confused:


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    #712
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    NorthStars wrote: »
    FG invented IW in 2009, long before the IMF/Troika were in this country.
    It was set up to benefit the 'friends of FG', their financial backers, one in particular.
    They, and their labour sidekicks have squandered at least a billion, probably 2 billion at this stage, of our tax euro on their failing quango.

    A quango that Eurostat seen straight through for what it was, a scam on the Irish taxpayer.

    Intelligent people know when to quit, FG & labour people aren't blessed with much intelligence, gombeenism & cronyism yes, but not intelligence.


    BTW, any sign of the 23 court cases we were promised?
    Has anyone been arrested/charged etc etc?

    Howlin's niece is playing a blinder on this one.

    Did you know that since her favourite uncle got into office she has doubled her salary (over €160k pa now) from the state?
    One of the chief solicitors in the DPP's office now.
    She's one of the two bosses in the 'director's section', the one who makes recommendations regarding prosecutions being brought to court etc etc....

    Funny that, isn't it?


    Although to be fair, they didn't really think it through......much like the set up of the quango.

    If you have any evidence that Brendan Howlins niece is not doing her job properly or is being told by her uncle what to do, can you please show it to us? If not would you please stop alluding to it, it is pathetic behaviour on your part.


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    #713
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    black and amber wrote: »
    If you have any evidence that Brendan Howlins niece is not doing her job properly or is being told by her uncle what to do, can you please show it to us? If not would you please stop alluding to it, it is pathetic behaviour on your part.

    Everything is a conspiracy....... :rolleyes:


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    #714
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    NorthStars wrote: »
    You think Ireland's crisis was anywhere near as bad as Greece's?:confused:

    Yep, that is precisely what I am saying. We dealt with ours better; they didn't. Thus we made our situation better and improved our economy, while they are still at 25.6% unemployment and a complete mess.


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    #715
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    black and amber wrote: »
    If you have any evidence that Brendan Howlins niece is not doing her job properly or is being told by her uncle what to do, can you please show it to us? If not would you please stop alluding to it, it is pathetic behaviour on your part.

    Yea, no bother son.
    I'm privvy to all family conversations that take place over the dinner table in the country....:rolleyes:


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    #716
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Everything is a conspiracy....... :rolleyes:

    Some things are.


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    #717
    conorh91
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    black and amber wrote: »
    If you have any evidence that Brendan Howlins niece is not doing her job properly or is being told by her uncle what to do, can you please show it to us? If not would you please stop alluding to it, it is pathetic behaviour on your part.
    He's got a huge chip on his shoulder regarding anyone or anything he regards as 'establishment', including boards.ie users.

    It matters not one iota how talented, educated, or deserving a member of the public may be. If they are not equal to him on his terms, they are the Opponent.

    He can openly accuse a private citizen of not meeting her professional obligations without censure, but as soon as he is criticised, he'll be pressing that big red button. Watch this space.


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    #718
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    conorh91 wrote: »
    He's got a huge chip on his shoulder regarding anyone or anything, including boards.ie users.

    Pot, kettle, etc etc..


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    #719
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    So, here we are, another dawn another day.
    Any sign of the 23 court cases we were informed about 2 weeks ago with great fanfare?
    What's going on in that DPP's office, eh?

    Leaks to the press, no protesters informed as would be the case in a normal country, and still no cases.

    I dunno, one would nearly think it was a stunt, testing the water as they say........


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    #720
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    shambles of a government and a police force who are a laughing stock and wouldn't last 2 minutes in a less corrupt country,puppets for a government who are in terminal decline desperate to enforce a toxic quango in which billions has been spent and is most likely the biggest waste of money of all time in the history of this country.


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    #721
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    shambles of a government and a police force who are a laughing stock and wouldn't last 2 minutes in a less corrupt country

    Which of the 16 less corrupt countries do you mean?

    http://www.transparency.org/country#IRL


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