Jobstown water protesters to be charged

mynamejeff

Streetwalker wrote: »

Hold on people are saying there isn't thugs in the gardai ? Seriously like?

hold on people are saying that there isn't a criminal element who intend to cause trouble by attacking the gardai at every opportunity attached to the water protest movement ? Seriously like ?

darkpagandeath

Godge wrote: »

Firstly, it wasn't outside Dublin Castle.

Secondly, the treatment she got was mild compared to what similar protestors would get in other countries. Someone trying to get in from of the US President's car would be summarily shot.

Why would we want Garda shooting protestors ? Is JB head of state/Government ?

darkpagandeath

Billy86 wrote: »

I see the "Garda did nothing so the protest was peaceful" brigade are against trying to shift the posts to "if the Gardai ever so much as put a hand on someone's shoulder, we'll be there to scream brutality."

It's very clear what they are trying to do there.

And that is ?

martingriff

NorthStars wrote: »

I said there is a thuggish element in AGS.
There is.
I never mentioned police brutality, I mentioned a copper firing a young woman into a bollard, which he did....on video.

Was it a gun or a cannon. She was stopped from trying to crash through a barrier and bounced off by accident brutality I think now

NorthStars

martingriff wrote: »

She was stopped from trying to crash through a barrier and bounced off by accident brutality I think now

That is a pure unadulterated lie.

Two thugs threw her into a bollard.
Watch here...with your eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_PKF93HZv0

NorthStars

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would we want Garda shooting protestors ? Is JB head of state/Government ?

It was kenny in the car and it was outside the mansion house, my mistake.

There are posters on this site who believe protesters should be baton charged, I've seen them call for it.
Can't quote it though as I can't access the main IW thread.

darkpagandeath

NorthStars wrote: »

It was kenny in the car and it was outside the mansion house, my mistake.

There are posters on this site who believe protesters should be baton charged, I've seen them call for it.
Can't quote it though as I can't access the main IW thread.

Ah right gotcha that protester.

mynamejeff

NorthStars wrote: »

That is a pure unadulterated lie.

A thug threw her into a bollard.
Watch here...with your eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_PKF93HZv0

except the only one who touched a bollard was the garda. the only one who was injured was the garda , the reason for the whole incident was the woman breaking through cordons and throwing herself in front of a moving car

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-tall-guard-in-black-saved-my-life-he-hit-his-knee-instead-of-my-head-30753426.html

so still a lie ?

martingriff

NorthStars wrote: »

That is a pure unadulterated lie.

A thug threw her into a bollard.
Watch here...with your eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_PKF93HZv0

Watched it 3 times the lady tried to climb up on a moving car was pulled of and fell against the pole it was not that hard. My Nieces and Nephews have fallen harder than that and caused less fuss. Of course its all about the police and not the lady trying to stand in front of a car. She(the protester) is far from blameless and can't cry poor me.

NorthStars

mynamejeff wrote: »

except the only one who touched a bollard was the garda. the only one who was injured was the garda , the reason for the whole incident was the woman breaking through cordons and throwing herself in front of a moving car

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-tall-guard-in-black-saved-my-life-he-hit-his-knee-instead-of-my-head-30753426.html

so still a lie ?

Ah right.
So, just the two thugs who threw her and one who stopped her head from being cracked open.
You did read the article, yes?

darkpagandeath

martingriff wrote: »

Watched it 3 times the lady tried to climb up on a moving car was pulled of and fell against the pole it was not that hard. My Nieces and Nephews have fallen harder than that and caused less fuss. Of course its all about the police and not the lady trying to stand in front of a car. She(the protester) is far from blameless and can't cry poor me.

Should the Armoured car just run people over ?

NorthStars

martingriff wrote: »

Watched it 3 times the lady tried to climb up on a moving car was pulled of and fell against the pole it was not that hard.

ROTFL.:D

NorthStars

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Should the Armoured car just run people over ?

You'd wonder, if that's the case, why burton didn't just drive away from Jobstown instead of pulling her little stunt.

mynamejeff

NorthStars wrote: »

Ah right.
So, just the two thugs who threw her and one who stopped her head from being cracked open.
You did read the article, yes?

that wasnt a article more an interview no ?
who broke through a security cordon ?
who jumped infront of a moving car ?
what action should police have taken in you opinion ?

and with such a view on facts its a wonder that you are banned from the IW thread eh northstar?

VinLieger

NorthStars wrote: »

ROTFL.:D

Try pulling the same stunt in America Germany, France, China, Israel or Spain to name but a very small number of countries where the police would react very differently to the same situation and then come back and tell us the gardai used excessive force

NorthStars

One also has to admire the young woman in question.
She could have asked for charges to be pressed against the two thugs for excessive use of force.
She didn't though, she got on with her life and didn't waste police time.

Burton should take note.

darkpagandeath

NorthStars wrote: »

You'd wonder, if that's the case, why burton didn't just drive away from Jobstown instead of pulling her little stunt.

Perhaps they forgot that car was an Armoured one :P I wager it was. Judging by the heavy doors.

NorthStars

mynamejeff wrote: »

and with such a view on facts its a wonder that you are banned from the IW thread eh northstar?

Yes Jeffery, that's right.:rolleyes:
I'll just leave this here to be seen.

darkpagandeath

VinLieger wrote: »

Try pulling the same stunt in America Germany, France, China, Israel or Spain to name but a very small number of countries where the police would react very differently to the same situation and then come back and tell us the gardai used excessive force

Where do we live again ?

NorthStars

VinLieger wrote: »

Try pulling the same stunt in America Germany, France, China, Israel or Spain to name but a very small number of countries where the police would react very differently to the same situation and then come back and tell us the gardai used excessive force

Yea, grand.
We live in Ireland though.

mynamejeff

NorthStars wrote: »

One also has to admire the young woman in question.
She could have asked for charges to be pressed against the two thugs for excessive use of force.
She didn't though, she got on with her life and didn't waste police time.

Burton should take note.

the whole incident was a waste of police time .

she wasted a doctors time by going to see one when there as nothing wrong with her.

she was prevented from doing something stupid and wanted to garner attention for that ?

pathetic

she should have been arrested and brought before the courts as she would have in any other country in the world . instead she bleats and sniffles for the cameras

again pathetic

and typical of the over entitled professional political protesters that our ridiculous country has been lumbered with.

Some of these people should go and try and live in the real world for a few years.

get a job , pay for what you eat and where you live instead of just take take take ,

A little bit of personal responsibility would go a long way in this country

NorthStars

mynamejeff wrote: »

the whole incident was a waste of police time .

she wasted a doctors time by going to see one when there as nothing wrong with her.

she was prevented from doing something stupid and wanted to garner attention for that ?

pathetic

she should have been arrested and brought before the courts as she would have in any other country in the world . instead she bleats and sniffles for the cameras

again pathetic

and typical of the over entitled professional political protesters that our ridiculous country has been lumbered with.

Some of these people should go and try and live in the real world for a few years.

get a job , pay for what you eat and where you live instead of just take take take ,

A little bit of personal responsibility would go a long way in this country

LOL, 'professional protesters', 'real world' 'get a job', 'pay for what you eat and where you live'....

Stereotypical bullsh1t, as usual.

Gatling

NorthStars wrote: »

One also has to admire the young woman in question.
She could have asked for charges to be pressed against the two thugs for excessive use of force.
She didn't though, she got on with her life and didn't waste police time.

take note.

Take note indeed

NorthStars

Ciao.
'Till next time.

mynamejeff

NorthStars wrote: »

LOL, 'professional protesters', 'real world' 'get a job', 'pay for what you eat and where you live'....

Stereotypical bullsh1t, as usual.

only if you hear it a lot i guess.

but then again if you keep hearing the same thing again and again isn't it logical to eventually think ," hey might be this makes sense"

same goes to the IW argument no ?

the point of discussion is to listen to other persons point of view and asses the relevance to your own point of view, or disregard as immaterial.

otherwise your just shouting in the wind ....

but then that makes some people feel better i guess

darkpagandeath

mynamejeff wrote: »

only if you hear it a lot i guess.

but then again if you keep hearing the same thing again and again isn't it logical to eventually think ," hey might be this makes sense"

same goes to the IW argument no ?

the point of discussion is to listen to other persons point of view and asses the relevance to your own point of view, or disregard as immaterial.

otherwise your just shouting in the wind ....

but then that makes some people feel better i guess

Problem is with IW conversations and stuff to do with it, inevitably those in support of it start referring to people on the dole scumbags the usual. Trying to paint anyone that is not for IW in a bad light. We all know there are some professional types and ner do wells, But the vast vast majority are normal people.

Little CuChulainn

VinLieger wrote: »

Try pulling the same stunt in America Germany, France, China, Israel or Spain to name but a very small number of countries where the police would react very differently to the same situation and then come back and tell us the gardai used excessive force

You can only use comparisons with other countries when you are downplaying protester violence.

sobeitamen

Godge wrote: »

Firstly, it wasn't outside Dublin Castle.

Secondly, the treatment she got was mild compared to what similar protestors would get in other countries. Someone trying to get in from of the US President's car would be summarily shot.

I hesitated to say that but yes indeed. Time folk here realised what the world is.

darkpagandeath

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You can only use comparisons with other countries when you are downplaying protester violence.

Yes, because saying this protest was violent is farcical and needs links to protests in other countries to show that. Wanting Garda to beat the sh*t out of people cos they do it other places not so much.

sobeitamen

NorthStars wrote: »

I said there is a thuggish element in AGS.
There is.
I never mentioned police brutality, I mentioned a copper firing a young woman into a bollard, which he did....on video.

firing? AND NO HE DID NOT! You need to look very very carefully at that video and at what the person herself said time and again ah but why should you talk sense!!!!

mynamejeff

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Problem is with IW conversations and stuff to do with it, inevitably those in support of it start referring to people on the dole scumbags the usual. Trying to paint anyone that is not for IW in a bad light. We all know there are some professional types and ner do wells, But the vast vast majority are normal people.

unfortunately for the protest movement its the scumbags and professional ner do wells that shout the loudest and attract the cameras.

it does the protest movement no favors and many ill.

VinLieger

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes, because saying this protest was violent is farcical and needs links to protests in other countries to show that. Wanting Garda to beat the sh*t out of people cos they do it other places not so much.

Nobody said anything about wanting gardai to beat people, simply to understand we have a very reserved police force so the constant claims of heavy handedness are ridiculous when put into a global perspective

Streetwalker

mynamejeff wrote: »

unfortunately for the protest movement its the scumbags and professional ner do wells that shout the loudest and attract the cameras.

it does the protest movement no favors and many ill.

Then why is the movement growing?

VinLieger

Streetwalker wrote: »

Then why is the movement growing?

100,000+ was claimed at protests this time last year no?

100,000 -> 80,000 = growing?

Also everyday more people are paying it

Streetwalker

VinLieger wrote: »

100,000+ was claimed at protests this time last year no?

100,000 -> 80,000 = growing?

Also everyday more people are paying it

The first protest had 35k people at it. Saturdays had 100k plus. I know it's hard to take but there you go, the movement is growing.

Banjo String

In the topsy turvy world of our fine country, I notice today that a Govt TD has been arrested by appointment over an alleged incident, which involved a member of the public being assaulted with a broken glass in a bar room brawl.

When you compare the scenarios between that, and and a dawn raid with a half a dozen gardai, on an opposition TD, for blocking a ministers car, its baffling.

Truly baffling.

That's the trouble with preaching from a high horse, something can always come along and topple you off it.

darkpagandeath

Banjo String wrote: »

In the topsy turvy world of our fine country, I notice today that a Govt TD has been arrested by appointment over an alleged incident, which involved a member of the public being assaulted with a broken glass in a bar room brawl.

When you compare the scenarios between that, and and a dawn raid with a half a dozen gardai, on an opposition TD, for blocking a ministers car, its baffling.

Truly baffling.

That's the trouble with preaching from a high horse, something can always come along and topple you off it.

Oh look at the party...

Brendan Bendar

Banjo String wrote: »

In the topsy turvy world of our fine country, I notice today that a Govt TD has been arrested by appointment over an alleged incident, which involved a member of the public being assaulted with a broken glass in a bar room brawl.

When you compare the scenarios between that, and and a dawn raid with a half a dozen gardai, on an opposition TD, for blocking a ministers car, its baffling.

Truly baffling.

That's the trouble with preaching from a high horse, something can always come along and topple you off it.

If you are 'baffled' by that then I fear for your sanity, my friend.

Could I respectfully suggest that you wait for any proceedings to take their course before jumping to any conclusions.

darkpagandeath

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If you are 'baffled' by that then I fear for your sanity, my friend.

Could I respectfully suggest that you wait for any proceedings to take their course before jumping to any conclusions.

Oh Oh is that "Innocent until proven Guilty" Cries oh the Irony.

Brendan Bendar

darkpagandeath wrote: »

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Oh Oh is that "Innocent until proven Guilty" Cries oh the Irony.

Don't see anything ironic about my post, perhaps you could explain where your reply refers to me?

Thank you.

mynamejeff

Streetwalker wrote: »

Then why is the movement growing?

Well because its not.

Im afraid the truth and simple fact is that Numbers are falling off at the mass protests. Many people are not paying because they are waiting to see what happens in the long run.

Hate to brake this to you but this isn't the crusade you were hoping for


Many of the people I know who were involved in the movement at the start distanced them self when they realized what some of their fellow protesters are.

darkpagandeath

mynamejeff wrote: »

Well because its not.

Im afraid the truth and simple fact is that Numbers are falling off at the mass protests. Many people are not paying because they are waiting to see what happens in the long run.

Hate to brake this to you but this isn't the crusade you were hoping for


Many of the people I know who were involved in the movement at the start distanced them self when they realized what some of their fellow protesters are.

Yes and continued not to pay the bill that's all that matters

mynamejeff

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes and continued not to pay the bill that's all that matters

theres a big difference between waiting to see what happens before you decide to pay a water bill or not and throwing rocks at patrol cars in tallaght ( or was that Photoshop)


someone said there was 100 000 plus at the protest on satuarday ?
well thats just not true, at the very very most there was just under 80 000 people

darkpagandeath

mynamejeff wrote: »

theres a big difference between waiting to see what happens before you decide to pay a water bill or not and throwing rocks at patrol cars in tallaght ( or was that Photoshop)


someone said there was 100 000 plus at the protest on satuarday ?
well thats just not true, at the very very most there was just under 80 000 people

This should be good, What water protester threw a rock at a Grada car ?

Brendan Bendar

darkpagandeath wrote: »

This should be good, What water protester threw a rock at a Grada car ?

Nobody threw a rock at a Grada car.

darkpagandeath

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Nobody threw a rock at a Grada car.

Exactly. We all know what's being insinuated but it's incorrect.

Billy86

darkpagandeath wrote: »

This should be good, What water protester threw a rock at a Grada car ?

II have not seen the brick throwing bit myself, but it's undeniable that there were people smacking the car with their fists and with signs.

darkpagandeath

Billy86 wrote: »

II have not seen the brick throwing bit myself, but it's undeniable that there were people smacking the car with their fists and with signs.

Oh know signs.... How would the probably armoured car cope. And the brick had zero to do with what was going on did not even happen when JB was in the area.

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Nobody threw a rock at a Grada car.

I think that went over ones head.

Billy86

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Oh know signs.... How would the probably armoured car cope. And the brick had zero to do with what was going on did not even happen when JB was in the area.

So there was a brick? Like I said, I never even saw that part.

Why did you not mention the fists in your reply? I take it you're perfectly aware that's full unacceptable behavior for a group of people to do?