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Jobstown water protesters to be charged

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    #722
    NorthStars
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Which of the 16 less corrupt countries do you mean?

    http://www.transparency.org/country#IRL

    The laws in this country have been set to ensure corruption is seldom exposed.

    Ireland is the land of the nod and the wink....;)


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    #723
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    NorthStars wrote: »
    The laws in this country have been set to ensure corruption is seldom exposed.

    Ireland is the land of the nod and the wink....;)

    So your saying transparency international were paid off to ignore this?


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    #724
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    VinLieger wrote: »
    So your saying transparency international were paid off to ignore this?

    Quite the jump there...fair play.


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    #725
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    What would it take for people to admit there's corruption in this country?

    Maybe we could have a tribunal and expose the corrupt dealings between a Maltese tax exile and a Fine Gael minister.

    How coincidental would it be then, that 20 years later, when Fine Gael are back in government, the same tax exile is awarded state contracts to install water meters by a Fine Gael minister, after buying the company who'd put them in off a state agency with a €100 million debt writedown?

    Nothing corrupt at all about it.

    Paddy's either very gullible or very thick.


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    #726
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    NorthStars wrote: »
    What would it take for people to admit there's corruption in this country?

    Maybe we could have a tribunal and expose the corrupt dealings between a Maltese tax exile and a Fine Gael minister.

    How coincidental would it be then, that 20 years later, when Fine Gael are back in government, the same tax exile is awarded state contracts to install water meters by a Fine Gael minister, after buying the company who'd put them in off a state agency with a €100 million debt writedown?

    Nothing corrupt at all about it.

    Paddy's either very gullible or very thick.

    Of course there's corruption in this country.

    Does this bother most folk unduly ?...I very much doubt it,as,by and large they just find their ways of beating/dealing with it.

    After a while,usually by around mid 20's,people are fairly well able to function individually,whilst managing to co-exist with others doing the same.

    Usually they come to recognize that here is no such entity as a corruption-free State.

    Over the years,many's the lad headed off in high-dudgeon,after getting the oul TCD degree,to find that Utopia.

    I'm not aware of any that actually did,or if they did,then they kept it VERY quiet.

    We are ALL human beings,with a fairly full-bag of failings and flaws....get over it and try your best to adapt...then you'll end up happy and reasonably fulfilled.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #727
    NorthStars
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    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Of course there's corruption in this country.

    Does this bother most folk unduly ?...I very much doubt it,as,by and large they just find their ways of beating/dealing with it.

    After a while,usually by around mid 20's,people are fairly well able to function individually,whilst managing to co-exist with others doing the same.

    Usually they come to recognize that here is no such entity as a corruption-free State.

    Over the years,many's the lad headed off in high-dudgeon,after getting the oul TCD degree,to find that Utopia.

    I'm not aware of any that actually did,or if they did,then they kept it VERY quiet.

    We are ALL human beings,with a fairly full-bag of failings and flaws....get over it and try your best to adapt...then you'll end up happy and reasonably fulfilled.

    My life couldn't be better as it happens.
    Gorgeous wife, 3 beautiful kids, successful business and a home overlooking the sea.
    I'm incredibly fulfilled.

    I just come on here to vent....this place isn't the real world, it's a bit of craic...


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    #728
    Rubber_Soul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Rubber_Soul


    NorthStars wrote: »
    My life couldn't be better as it happens.
    Gorgeous wife, 3 beautiful kids, successful business and a home overlooking the sea.
    I'm incredibly fulfilled.

    I just come on here to vent....this place isn't the real world, it's a bit of craic...

    You seem to do an awful lot of venting Ned.


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    #729
    BoJack Horseman
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    StarshipPooper wrote: »
    You seem to do an awful lot of venting Ned.

    It's the wife.

    We all know she's beautiful & loves being fulfilled.


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    #730
    JustTheOne
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    My life couldn't be better as it happens.
    Gorgeous wife, 3 beautiful kids, successful business and a home overlooking the sea.
    I'm incredibly fulfilled.

    I just come on here to vent....this place isn't the real world, it's a bit of craic...

    There is corruption on all levels.

    Whether its people fiddling their tax affairs or people doing nixers or people claiming welfare they don't need or claiming disability.

    The point is most people in life will always try to get away with things.

    Doesn't how small it is it all adds up.

    You have to be incredibly naive to think governments are perfect or people.


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    #731
    NorthStars
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    StarshipPooper wrote: »
    You seem to do an awful lot of venting Ned.
    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    It's the wife.

    We all know she's beautiful & loves being fulfilled.

    Keep it coming lads, it's mildly amusing.;)


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    #732
    NorthStars
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    There is corruption on all levels.


    You have to be incredibly naive to think governments are perfect or people.

    It's not wrong to expect better of people who exist on mine and yours tax euro, is it?


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    #733
    JustTheOne
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    It's not wrong to expect better of people who exist on mine and yours tax euro, is it?

    Could say that about welfare recipients or pubic sector workers and so on.

    How are you been hard done by this government?

    Your 12.5% corporation tax you pay under this government is very generous compared to what other parties are proposing.


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    #734
    NorthStars
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Could say that about welfare recipients or pubic sector workers and so on.

    How are you been hard done by this government?

    Your 12.5% corporation tax you pay under this government is very generous compared to what other parties are proposing.

    Self employed.

    Anyway, enough about me, any sign of the court cases yet?


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    #735
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    NorthStars wrote: »
    Self employed.

    Anyway, enough about me, any sign of the court cases yet?

    Yeah so is your corporation tax not 12.5%?


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    #736
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Yeah so is your corporation tax not 12.5%?

    Self employed persons aren't liable for corporation tax.


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    #737
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    NorthStars wrote: »
    Self employed persons aren't liable for corporation tax.

    If you're a limited company you are.

    You obviously aren't sorry.


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    #738
    darkpagandeath
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    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/minister-uses-michael-collins-commemoration-speech-to-slam-violent-protesters-692344.html

    All these ministers comments yet no one charged ??


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    #739
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/minister-uses-michael-collins-commemoration-speech-to-slam-violent-protesters-692344.html

    All these ministers comments yet no one charged ??

    Only ONE minister quoted in that article. Where did you get the "all"? Do you not agree with this? "Minister Fitzgerald said: "For Collins, disagreement was to be cherished, but interference with the people, their safety and their property was unacceptable.""


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    #740
    darkpagandeath
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Only ONE minister quoted in that article. Where did you get the "all"? Do you not agree with this? "Minister Fitzgerald said: "For Collins, disagreement was to be cherished, but interference with the people, their safety and their property was unacceptable.""

    As in general about this issue, Many have come out and laid stalls going on about the "Violence."

    And I'm not going down the Civil war route. Ministers are going on about this event and no one has been charged. Shame they don't have the same zeal over other files in the DPP.


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    #741
    NorthStars
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    As in general about this issue, Many have come out and laid stalls going on about the "Violence."

    And I'm not going down the Civil war route. Ministers are going on about this event and no one has been charged. Shame they don't have the same zeal over other files in the DPP.

    There's no benefit in Howlin having a word with his niece about the findings of the Moriarty tribunal, is there? Or, maybe he did and that's why the file sits gathering dust.

    BTW, mary can't tell the difference between 'one' and 'all' when it suits her, especially in relation to water protesters.
    That's the double standard of a proper government cheerleader.


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    #742
    NorthStars
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/0813/720903-burton-water-charge-protest/

    Its great to see mob rule loses in the end.

    Any sign of the summonses or the charges or the court cases etc etc?

    Have any of the 20 or so people involved been informed of the pending legal proceedings against them?

    Must we await another leak from Howlin's niece's office for more information?

    Is it all a scam or was the mole lying?

    There's a mob in action ok, and it's not the one that was in Jobstown. Well, maybe one of the mob leaders was in Jobstown, smirking and sneering at the people who elected her!


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    #743
    jonnny68
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    The laws in this country have been set to ensure corruption is seldom exposed.

    Ireland is the land of the nod and the wink....;)

    indeed this is true.

    i have no doubts this country is one of the most corrupt in Europe


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    #744
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    jonnny68 wrote: »
    indeed this is true.

    i have no doubts this country is one of the most corrupt in Europe

    You have no doubts, but do you have any proof?


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    #745
    NorthStars
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    jonnny68 wrote: »
    indeed this is true.

    i have no doubts this country is one of the most corrupt in Europe

    The government cheerleaders will be along any minute now to demand absolute proof.....

    Much like a scumbag who's committed a crime, who'll demand every ounce of proof and if there's even a spelling error on the summons or it's delivered 1 minute past the due time, he'll demand to be acquitted.
    Cheerleaders to a tee...


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    #746
    jonnny68
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    The government cheerleaders will be along any minute now to demand absolute proof.....


    indeed mate, paid trolls who spam forums and news websites like the journal and defend the indefensible, some day the whole charade will be exposed but by then they will have rode off into the sunset with golden pensions.

    I sincerely hope someone like wikileaks expose these charlatans for what they are


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    #747
    NorthStars
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    jonnny68 wrote: »
    indeed mate, paid trolls who spam forums and news website forums like the journal and defend the indefensible, some day the whole charade will be exposed but by then they will have rode off into the sunset with golden pensions.

    I sincerely hope someone like wikileaks expose these charlatans for what they are

    To be fair, what you see on here, and it's a group of about 6, are low level trolls spouting government policy at any given moment.
    They know who they are, and the thing is, they'll change like the wind when a different government is voted in with different policies.
    One of the chief ones is a dyed in the wool blueshirt who's now hedging his bets by declaring himself a green supporter for the next GE.

    They demand proof and evidence when it suits them, but at other times, when it suits their current agenda, it's not required.

    Sad really, but sure that's what floats some people's boats.:o

    Leave them at it, I say....


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    #748
    Brendan Bendar
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    To be fair, what you see on here, and it's a group of about 6, are low level trolls spouting government policy at any given moment.
    They know who they are, and the thing is, they'll change like the wind when a different government is voted in with different policies.
    One of the chief ones is a dyed in the wool blueshirt who's now hedging his bets by declaring himself a green supporter for the next GE.

    They demand proof and evidence when it suits them, but at other times, when it suits their current agenda, it's not required.

    Sad really, but sure that's what floats some people's boats.:o

    Leave them at it, I say....

    You really must think people are idiots?

    The old tactic, accuse posters of being 'trolls' when they put forward a view co trary to yours.
    Who do you really think you are kidding?


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    #749
    darkpagandeath
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    NorthStars wrote: »
    To be fair, what you see on here, and it's a group of about 6, are low level trolls spouting government policy at any given moment.
    They know who they are, and the thing is, they'll change like the wind when a different government is voted in with different policies.
    One of the chief ones is a dyed in the wool blueshirt who's now hedging his bets by declaring himself a green supporter for the next GE.

    They demand proof and evidence when it suits them, but at other times, when it suits their current agenda, it's not required.

    Sad really, but sure that's what floats some people's boats.:o

    Leave them at it, I say....

    Aye they don't seem to be demanding proof in relation to the charges apparently being laid out. They are gospel apparently. But i bet if it was one of the white collar lads they would be shouting “Innocent till proven Guilty” and “All this media covarage will lead to an unfair trial.” Odd they don't say that kind of stuff in this case.


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    #750
    NorthStars
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    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    You really must think people are idiots?

    The old tactic, accuse posters of being 'trolls' when they put forward a view co trary to yours.
    Who do you really think you are kidding?

    So, tell me Mr. Middle Ireland, where's the court cases or the summonses for the 20+ people in the Jobstown protest?
    2 weeks now since the snitch ran to the press.


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    #751
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    You really must think people are idiots?

    The old tactic, accuse posters of being 'trolls' when they put forward a view co trary to yours.
    Who do you really think you are kidding?

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/europeanrights-body-warns-of-corrupt-ireland-298902.html


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