Jobstown water protesters to be charged

tayto lover

NorthStars wrote: »

Grand.

So you see no conflict of interests in having the niece of a current labour minister being involved in the direction of a case involving the leader of the labour party?

Just so as we know.

I don't see this being an issue to be honest.
I'm sure she'll declare her relationship and be exempt from the case.

I say this and i'm against water charges.

Graham

NorthStars wrote: »

Grand.

So you see no conflict of interests in having the niece of a current labour minister being involved in the direction of a case involving the leader of the labour party?

Just so as we know.

I thought I'd made my position quite clear.

Just so we know, what is the specific accusation you're making against this person?

NorthStars

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't see this being an issue to be honest.
I'm sure she'll declare her relationship and be exempt from the case.

I say this and i'm against water charges.

Some transparency about this matter would be helpful.

Little CuChulainn

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't see this being an issue to be honest.
I'm sure she'll declare her relationship and be exempt from the case.

I say this and i'm against water charges.

It's really irrelevant anyway. Worst case scenario is her being completely biased and directing a prosecution out of pure badness. They still have to go before the court where a judge can throw out the case if he believes there is not sufficient evidence to justify the charge.

NorthStars

Graham wrote: »

I thought I'd made my position quite clear.

Just so we know, what is the specific accusation you're making against this person?

I don't think it could be much clearer Graham.
You have heard the term 'conflict of interests' I presume?

Having a close relative of a minister, involved in directing the prosecution of people who allegedly committed crimes against his party leader would seem to me to be the very definition of a conflict of interest.

Graham

NorthStars wrote: »

I don't think it could be much clearer Graham.
You have heard the term 'conflict of interests' I presume?

Having a close relative of a minister, involved in directing the prosecution of people who allegedly committed crimes against his party leader would seem to me to be the very definition of a conflict of interest.

I don't think being the niece of someone working for the same organisation as someone else constitutes conflict of interest. I suggest you go and check the definition of conflict of interest.

You should also go and check the law society rules for handling potential conflicts of interest and come back when you have evidence that they have been broken.

NorthStars

Graham wrote: »

I don't think being the niece of someone working for the same organisation as someone else constitutes conflict of interest. I suggest you go and check the definition of conflict of interest.

You should also go and check the law society rules for handling potential conflicts of interest and come back when you have evidence that they have been broken.

We'll see how it plays out.
Trying to get evidence from one of the most tightly controlled offices of the state is asking a lot, isn't it?
This country thrives on a nod and a wink culture, that's well known, although constantly denied by those with a certain agenda.
Actually, I do know a recently retired DPP in a personal capacity, if I bump into him and the opportunity arises I'll ask his opinion.

Graham

NorthStars wrote: »

We'll see how it plays out.
Trying to get evidence from one of the most tightly controlled offices of the state is asking a lot, isn't it?
This country thrives on a nod and a wink culture, that's well known, although constantly denied by those with a certain agenda.
Actually, I do know a recently retired DPP in a personal capacity, if I bump into him and the opportunity arises I'll ask his opinion.

So to summarise, you have nothing.

Valetta

NorthStars wrote: »

Actually, I do know a recently retired DPP in a personal capacity, if I bump into him and the opportunity arises I'll ask his opinion.

This is an obvious conflict of interest.

None of your posts carry credibility after that revelation.

Little CuChulainn

Graham wrote: »

So to summarise, you have nothing.

I think a better summary would be. "If they don't make the decision I want then there must be a conflict."

NorthStars

Graham wrote: »

So to summarise, you have nothing.

Valetta wrote: »

This is an obvious conflict of interest.

None of your posts carry credibility after that revelation.

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I think a better summary would be. "If they don't make the decision I want then there must be a conflict."

Well done lads.;)

Billy86

NorthStars wrote: »

So, you're disputing the official figures from IW.
Interesting..........;)

Nope. You say 800,000 "refuse" to pay when thst is entirely untrue. In reality, that is the number who have yet to pay, many of whom like conorh91 plan on paying at a later stage. A fact which you are well aware of but choose to ignore because, well, confirmation bias. Kind of the same reason you chose to make the same 'error' again.

NorthStars

Billy86 wrote: »

Nope. You say 800,000 "refuse" to pay when thst is entirely untrue. In reality, that is the number who have yet to pay, many of whom like conorh91 plan on paying at a later stage. A fact which you are well aware of but choose to ignore because, well, confirmation bias. Kind of the same reason you chose to make the same 'error' again.

Facts are facts.
Numbers are numbers.
No 'error' at all.

Any sign of the court cases?

Nope? It's a tactic to scare a whole community into surrender. It won't work.

NorthStars

Strange how none of the IW cheerleaders are calling for prosecutions of an offence undermining the office of the DPP though...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/water-protest-criminal-charges-leaked-paul-murphy-1.2328161

“A significant criminal offence has been committed by somebody in interfering with the administration of justice by leaking the fact that people are due to face serious charges. That serves a proper criminal investigation and prosecution,”


Delay an auld wan in her state sponsored car, where she plays on her state sponsored iPhone in between sneering and laughing at the people who elected her, for a couple of hours and it's the end of the world.

Someone subverting the office of the DPP and not a peep!

Irish standards, eh???

Graham

NorthStars wrote: »

Will the mole, if exposed, be charged with any offence?

Graham wrote: »

Only the DPP can answer that but hopefully yes.

NorthStars wrote: »

Strange how none of the IW cheerleaders are calling for prosecutions of an offence undermining the office of the DPP though...

<SNIP>

Someone subverting the office of the DPP and not a peep!

Irish standards, eh???

Your most recent post appears to be suffering from an appalling attack of selective recall. I do hope it recovers soon.

Stheno

Murphy has now submitted multiple complaints to the DPP and Guardai

Billy86

Graham wrote: »

Your most recent post appears to be suffering from an appalling attack of selective recall. I do hope it recovers soon.

See: 800,000 "refusing" to pay / conorh91's post clearing that up.

Quick summary of confirmation bias: also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses while giving disproportionately less attention to information that contradicts it.



Basically, while we all saw conorh91's post showing exactly how NS's "facts" were incorrect, this is likely what he saw.

Brendan Bendar

NorthStars wrote: »

Facts are facts.
Numbers are numbers.
No 'error' at all.

Any sign of the court cases?

Nope? It's a tactic to scare a whole community into surrender. It won't work.

Seems to be working with you, you seem very anxious about this upcoming event?

Strangely jumpy one might even surmise?

Surely you weren't there battering the Ministers car, preventing people from leaving, chucking bricks, whilst waving smart phones in the air shouting "Peacefull Protest"

Surely not!

There there, that's settled, don't be worrying about 'The Brickman ' and the others, the law will take its course, wheels of justice grind slowly...

Brenner says relaaax

darkpagandeath

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Seems to be working with you, you seem very anxious about this upcoming event?

Strangely jumpy one might even surmise?

Surely you weren't there battering the Ministers car, preventing people from leaving, chucking bricks, whilst waving smart phones in the air shouting "Peacefull Protest"

Surely not!

There there, that's settled, don't be worrying about 'The Brickman ' and the others, the law will take its course, wheels of justice grind slowly...

Brenner says relaaax

Who was chucking brinks now at a water protest ?

NorthStars

Graham wrote: »

Your most recent post appears to be suffering from an appalling attack of selective recall. I do hope it recovers soon.

Aaahhh, thanks Graham.

foggy_lad

Hopefully there will be a large turnout for the protest on Saturday and the Eirigi/facists/provos stay at home!

The leak about protesters being charged is just an attempt to portray those taking part in these legitimate protests as rabble and troublemakers. Moany Joany enda(where oh where is enda), alan kelly, leo vradkar etc think they can keep Mr & Mrs middle Ireland from attending these legitimate protests by painting those who attend as rabble and violent but they will be shown the real power of the peaceful protest on Saturday!

NorthStars

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Who was chucking brinks now at a water protest ?

Everyone.
Hours after the protest finished and the coppers came to effect an arrest warrant.

These pro-water charge lemmings see what they want to see.

Graham

foggy_lad wrote: »

Hopefully there will be a large turnout for the protest on Saturday and the Eirigi/facists/provos stay at home!

The leak about protesters being charged is just an attempt to portray those taking part in these legitimate protests as rabble and troublemakers. Moany Joany enda(where oh where is enda), alan kelly, leo vradkar etc think they can keep Mr & Mrs middle Ireland from attending these legitimate protests by painting those who attend as rabble and violent but they will be shown the real power of the peaceful protest on Saturday!

I would have through ignoring illegal/threatening activities at protests would be more likely to put off Mr and Mrs middle Ireland.

NorthStars

foggy_lad wrote: »

Hopefully there will be a large turnout for the protest on Saturday and the Eirigi/facists/provos stay at home!

The leak about protesters being charged is just an attempt to portray those taking part in these legitimate protests as rabble and troublemakers

The protest is being backed by a fair few unions too.

According to the boys on here most people who protest are 'welfare soaks'.
So 'middle Ireland' says anyway.

NorthStars

Billy86 wrote: »

See: 800,000 "refusing" to pay / conorh91's post clearing that up.

Quick summary of confirmation bias: also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses while giving disproportionately less attention to information that contradicts it.



Basically, while we all saw conorh91's post showing exactly how NS's "facts" were incorrect, this is likely what he saw.

43% have paid up according to the latest IW figures.

Cop yourself on.

darkpagandeath

NorthStars wrote: »

43% have paid up according to the latest IW figures.

Cop yourself on.

Careful 5 week old information could get one burned at the stake.

gandalf

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Careful 5 week old information could get one burned at the stake.

You could also say that some of that 43% who paid the first bill won't be paying the second bill as it is apparent that IW are in severe trouble and no one wants to pay a bill that may not be collected if IW goes the way of the dodo

I wish the Irish people could all just get on the same page like France, say "no find another way" and this debacle would have been finished a long time ago.

NorthStars

Deleted User wrote: »

I wish the Irish people could all just get on the same page like France, say "no find another way" and this debacle would have been finished a long time ago.

There's a lot of taxpayers money to be wasted on the quango and on dodgy court proceedings in the run up to an election before IW is dismantled.

Basically, it's a management system for existing LA workers/a new layer of bureaucracy, being funded from the exchequer with subvention from the LGF, the NPRF etc etc, with a dodgy billing system thrown in for good measure.

Jobs for the boys, FFail style.

And these clowns wonder why there's protests and mass non payment!!!!:o


BTW, any sign of the fabled court cases yet???? Anyone????

Brendan Bendar

NorthStars wrote: »

There's a lot of taxpayers money to be wasted on the quango and on dodgy court proceedings in the run up to an election before IW is dismantled.

Basically, it's a management system for existing LA workers/a new layer of bureaucracy, being funded from the exchequer with subvention from the LGF, the NPRF etc etc, with a dodgy billing system thrown in for good measure.

Jobs for the boys, FFail style.

And these clowns wonder why there's protests and mass non payment!!!!:o


BTW, any sign of the fabled court cases yet???? Anyone????

Still worrying about the court cases?
They will come all in good time, the way it should be.

You know what they say about a rush to justice..

Relaaaaax