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Jobstown water protesters to be charged

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    #962
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Billy86 wrote: »
    If it is none of my business what goes on in Ireland, then why do I have the right to vote there?

    Your argument just gets weaker and weaker. To be honest, its not really even an argument anymore.

    Only Residents are, And that has rules around it.


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    #963
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,482 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    NorthStars wrote: »
    What are you on about now?

    Last four pages of this thread, for starters.


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    #964
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    NorthStars wrote: »
    So, you don't own a house in Ireland.
    You aren't liable for a water bill.
    You live in Canada, so presumably you work and pay taxes there too.
    And you're coming on here berating people who don't agree with this charge, the quango and the billions of our money being poured into it?

    TBH, it's none of your business, it doesn't affect you.
    Gatling wrote: »
    Desperation on your part ,

    Didn't know you get to decide who posts
    Gatling wrote: »
    Face it you face palmed a few posts back now it's none of his business really
    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Another failure to try to control the thread and shout people down.
    NorthStars wrote: »
    What are you on about now?

    Stating my belief that it's not the guys business is all the above now!:o


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    #965
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Only Residents are, And that has rules around it.

    And if one is resident, and doesn't have one's own water source, one is liable for water charges.
    Correct?


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    #966
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    NorthStars wrote: »
    And if one is resident, and doesn't have one's own water source, one is liable for water charges.
    Correct?

    Aye. But if they are in another country they are not well if they are not on holiday.


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    #967
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Only Residents are, And that has rules around it.
    You must be at least 18 years of age on 15 February, the day the Register comes into force. You must also have been ordinarily resident in the State on 1 September in the year before the Register comes into force.

    While you may be entitled to register as a voter due to your residency, there may be a limit on the types of elections in which you can vote. The registration authority will need to know your citizenship because this will determine the elections at which you may vote.

    The right to vote is as follows:

    Irish citizens may vote at every election and referendum;

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/right_to_vote.html

    So yep, I am indeed eligible to vote as I left in January.


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    #968
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You must be at least 18 years of age on 15 February, the day the Register comes into force. You must also have been ordinarily resident in the State on 1 September in the year before the Register comes into force.

    While you may be entitled to register as a voter due to your residency, there may be a limit on the types of elections in which you can vote. The registration authority will need to know your citizenship because this will determine the elections at which you may vote.

    The right to vote is as follows:

    Irish citizens may vote at every election and referendum;

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/right_to_vote.html

    So yep, I am indeed eligible to vote as I left in January.

    So ignoring the Rules part I posted. Is one planning on coming back ?


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    #969
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I am thinking the amount of paid will drastically drop due to low figures. And the attitude of well If hardly any are paying why should I.

    It seems very clear that the mood and trend is for an increase of non payment.

    The argument that payment of the first bill will automatically increase is true,but singularly misleading.

    You will have a second and possibly a third bill.

    And it is highly likely that the second bill will see a higher increase in non payment.

    There is no point in trying to argue this with the false perception that an increase of payment for the first bill will point to a compliant consensus.

    The other point here is to the reliability of the figures from IW.


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    #970
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So ignoring the Rules part I posted. Is one planning on coming back ?

    Nope, simply pointing out that I am eligible to vote. Simple as that.

    As for returning or not, most likely but not certain if and/or when.


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    #971
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Nope, simply pointing out that I am eligible to vote. Simple as that.

    As for returning or not, most likely but not certain if and/or when.

    So in this context being technically able to vote currently does not translate into actually being able to vote when the time comes.


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    #972
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So in this context being technically able to vote currently does not translate into actually being able to vote when the time comes.

    What's your point here? I`m an Irish citizen, passport holder, and am registered to vote there right now.Now explain to me what any of this has to do with my right to post in here.


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    #973
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Nope, simply pointing out that I am eligible to vote. Simple as that.

    As for returning or not, most likely but not certain if and/or when.

    18 months out of the country and you have no right to vote.


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    #974
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Destiny Faint Racist wrote: »
    18 months out of the country and you have no right to vote.

    Well that is alright then, since I have only been gone for 7 and a half.


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    #975
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Well that is alright then, since I have only been gone for 7 and a half.

    Fine, I was just filling in the detail omitted so far. Long way to come back next spring to vote.


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    #976
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Destiny Faint Racist wrote: »
    Fine, I was just filling in the detail omitted so far. Long way to come back next spring to vote.

    Aye and to pay a water bill.


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    #977
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Destiny Faint Racist wrote: »
    Fine, I was just filling in the detail omitted so far. Long way to come back next spring to vote.

    And I'm just making the point I'm still eligible.

    Still up in the air about coming back to vote if the opportunity is open, because they're all pretty useless across the board. Would likely go with independents and/or FG, buy I'm not really all that fond of the latter myself.


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    #978
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Billy86 wrote: »
    And I'm just making the point I'm still eligible.

    Still up in the air about coming back to vote if the opportunity is open, because they're all pretty useless across the board. Would likely go with independents and/or FG, buy I'm not really all that fond of the latter myself.

    Don't you have to come back and Reside ?


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    #979
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Aye and to pay a water bill.
    The imaginary water bill returns, come back to us in reality there would you.


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    #980
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Don't you have to come back and Reside ?
    Not according to Srameen, so maybe I'll have to look into it more then. Could be eligible for longer than I had thought.


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    #981
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    black and amber wrote: »
    So who do you think will be the next taoiseach of the country? Gerry Adams? Paul Murphy? Mick Wallace? Ruth ****ing Coppinger? You are seriously deluded.
    any one of those mentioned would be better than that gangster Enda Kenny,
    deluded yeah ok whatever you say, im a realist, you are clearly brainwashed.


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    #982
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    any one of those mentioned would be better than that gangster Enda Kenny,
    deluded yeah ok whatever you say, im a realist, you are clearly brainwashed.

    Better in what way exactly? If Murphy was in charge this country would be like Greece- ****ed.


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    #983
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    black and amber wrote: »
    Better in what way exactly? If Murphy was in charge this country would be like Greece- ****ed.


    tell me again how the Anti austerity alliance bailed out banks, tell me again how they introduced water charges, tell me again how they implemented cuts after cuts after cuts, i could go on and on and on and on.

    Radical change is needed in this country...BIG TIME, otherwise you'll get the vicious political merry go around where the golden circle follow the gravy train, cronyism, jobs for the boys, corruption, lies, deceit.

    enough said.


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    #984
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    tell me again how the Anti austerity alliance bailed out banks, tell me again how they introduced water charges, tell me again how they implemented cuts after cuts after cuts, i could go on and on and on and on.

    Radical change is needed in this country...BIG TIME, otherwise you'll get the vicious political merry go around where the golden circle follow the gravy train, cronyism, jobs for the boys, corruption, lies, deceit.

    enough said.

    Enough said? All just populist rabble rousing bollocksology


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    #985
    [Deleted User]
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    jonnny68 wrote: »
    tell me again how the Anti austerity alliance bailed out banks, tell me again how they introduced water charges, tell me again how they implemented cuts after cuts after cuts, i could go on and on and on and on.

    Radical change is needed in this country...BIG TIME, otherwise you'll get the vicious political merry go around where the golden circle follow the gravy train, cronyism, jobs for the boys, corruption, lies, deceit.

    enough said.

    The current Government have guided Ireland back on track. There is still a way to go, but we're getting there.


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    #986
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    black and amber wrote: »
    Enough said? All just populist rabble rousing bollocksology


    thanks for your thought provoking intelligent response.

    bravo old chap!


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    #987
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The current Government have guided Ireland back on track. There is still a way to go, but we're getting there.

    :eek::eek: for the select few maybe, the harsh reality is very very different.


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    #988
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    tell me again how the Anti austerity alliance bailed out banks, tell me again how they introduced water charges, tell me again how they implemented cuts after cuts after cuts, i could go on and on and on and on.

    Radical change is needed in this country...BIG TIME, otherwise you'll get the vicious political merry go around where the golden circle follow the gravy train, cronyism, jobs for the boys, corruption, lies, deceit.

    enough said.


    Picture what Ireland would be like today if the country had let the banks fail at the time.

    Not a pretty sight.

    And the cuts were needed to reign in the massive unsustainable overspending in the budget. I'm not sure what you are whining about there.


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    #989
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    :eek::eek: for the select few maybe, the harsh reality is very very different.

    The reality is different is it? Do me a favour, put your keyboard down, go outside and look around. Now do you REALLY think this country is ****ed? Stop listening to mouthpieces like Murphy who NEED the country to be in trouble to be in anyway relevant and start actually thinking for yourself. All people like you do is rabble rouse and try to influence people who don't know any better. The silent majority in this country know what's actually happening.


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    #990
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Picture what Ireland would be like today if the country had let the banks fail at the time.

    Not a pretty sight.

    And the cuts were needed to reign in the massive unsustainable overspending in the budget. I'm not sure what you are whining about there.



    are you actually for real, spend billions bailing out banks and implement savage cuts and austerity forcing hundreds of thousands to emigrate, people on the breadline trying to make ends meet,people losing their houses, record levels of unemployment carefully massaged by the government and their spin masters to make it look as if it's much lower than what it actually is, fu*k the banks, the people of this country and their welfare must be an absolute priority , that goes for every country.

    what did Iceland do, sent the bankers to jail, what did Ireland do, fuc*ing nothing, they rode off into the sunset leaving behind trail of destruction.


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    #991
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    black and amber wrote: »
    The reality is different is it? Do me a favour, put your keyboard down, go outside and look around. Now do you REALLY think this country is ****ed? Stop listening to mouthpieces like Murphy who NEED the country to be in trouble to be in anyway relevant and start actually thinking for yourself. All people like you do is rabble rouse and try to influence people who don't know any better. The silent majority in this country know what's actually happening.


    you are talking absolute tripe, well maybe in middle class Greystones things are flourishing but elsewhere it certainly is not.

    For the record i don't necessarily think people like Paul Murphy is the answer,much of what he says makes sense and much of what he says is rubbish, however given the opportunity id take him over the current gangsters in a heartbeat.


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