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Jobstown water protesters to be charged

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    #212
    BattleCorp
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    Graham wrote: »
    Did the DPP/Courts advise Newstalk that the protestors won't be bought before the courts until after a general election OR did Newstalk (or someone else) calculate that most Court cases take X weeks to come to Court which would fall after the General Election?


    I'm just commenting on what was reported by Newstalk.


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    #213
    JustTheOne
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'm just commenting on what was reported by Newstalk.

    So you just drew its political policing from this small bit of information.

    Great bravo.


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    #214
    falan
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    JustTheOne wrote:
    So you just drew its political policing from this small bit of information.


    We all know it is political policing. Come out of your bubble.


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    #215
    Jawgap
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    falan wrote: »
    We all know it is political policing. Come out of your bubble.

    How do we know?


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    #216
    JustTheOne
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    falan wrote: »
    We all know it is political policing. Come out of your bubble.

    Look this is going to cause more damage to Labour and fg.

    What have they got to gain by this whole situation?


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    #217
    Merrion
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    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Violence solves nothing and if anything loses your cause support.

    You live in a free country that is itself proof that this maxim is false.


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    #218
    conorh91
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Newstalk reported this morning that the protesters won't be brought before the courts until after the General Election.

    If that's true, then it's obvious that there are political motives behind these charges.
    Waiting time before Dublin Circuit Court is about 9 months on average.

    That would bring us up to next Summer.

    I would love to see a September trial so the socialists can't sabotage it using Dail privilege during the Summer break.


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    #219
    BattleCorp
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    So you just drew its political policing from this small bit of information.

    Great bravo.

    Yes I did.

    I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to think that there might be a political reason for not bringing the protesters to trial until after the elections.

    If they did something wrong, charge them and put them on trial. Delaying a trial until after the elections would make it seem political.


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    #220
    ohnonotgmail
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Yes I did.

    I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to think that there might be a political reason for not bringing the protesters to trial until after the elections.

    If they did something wrong, charge them and put them on trial. Delaying a trial until after the elections would make it seem political.

    there will always be delays with trials. courts have backlogs. you dont get charged today and tried tomorrow. or do you think their trial should be expedited?


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    #221
    Graham
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    If they did something wrong, charge them and put them on trial.

    I understand that is the plan.

    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Delaying a trial until after the elections would make it seem political.

    Not political if it's going through the same Court process and timescales as every other case.


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    #222
    conorh91
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    there will always be delays with trials. courts have backlogs. you dont get charged today and tried tomorrow. or do you think their trial should be expedited?
    The communist comerades never had a problem with court delays, I'll give them that much.

    Mass execution did wonders for soviet court lists.


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    #223
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,437 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    conorh91 wrote: »
    The communist comerades never had a problem with court delays, I'll give them that much.

    Mass execution did wonders for soviet court lists.

    you have to admire their efficiency.


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    #224
    Chimichangas
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    Was Joan Burton delayed or trapped in the state car?
    Was it safe for her to get out?
    The impression I had was she was trapped, couldnt move the car, and it wasnt safe for her to exit the car. Any glimpses I saw of the protest came across as frenzied and intimidating.
    It doesnt sound to me like a right to protest issue.
    It doesnt sound like anyone should have the right to prevent anyone, and/or intimidate with fear or otherwise, from going about their daily business.

    Or is the reasoning that such behaviour is deserved? Thats a different kettle of fish then...:rolleyes:

    I heard one commentator yesterday liken that Jobstown protest to farmers blocking entry/protesting outside agrifood processors... Hardly the same though..


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    #225
    falan
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    JustTheOne wrote:
    Look this is going to cause more damage to Labour and fg.


    What have they got to gain by this whole situation?
    The whole situation stinks tbh. This could end up backfiring spectacularly on the government. Joan especially.
    I remember it happening clear as day. Joan was smiling and waving at the protesters. It was only the next day when she had been 'advised' that the sob story came out about her terrifying ordeal. Joan Burton was never in danger. A water baloon was thrown and she was called a few names? Wow.
    Some scumbag threw a brick long after joan had gone home. Nothing to do with the sit down protest.
    In the days after the protest, joan and the government milked the situation just like paul murphy is gonna milk it. I can't wait for the trial.
    If it ever happens...


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    #226
    RomanKnows
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    falan wrote: »
    The whole situation stinks tbh. This could end up backfiring spectacularly on the government. Joan especially.
    I remember it happening clear as day. Joan was smiling and waving at the protesters. It was only the next day when she had been 'advised' that the sob story came out about her terrifying ordeal. Joan Burton was never in danger. A water baloon was thrown and she was called a few names? Wow.
    Some scumbag threw a brick long after joan had gone home. Nothing to do with the sit down protest.
    In the days after the protest, joan and the government milked the situation just like paul murphy is gonna milk it. I can't wait for the trial.
    If it ever happens...

    A textbook case of selective memories seen through red-tinted glasses.


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    #227
    Graham
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    RomanKnows wrote: »
    A textbook case of selective memories seen through red-tinted glasses.

    According to articles in the papers this morning, much of the evidence is from videos directly uploaded to Youtube. Given that the videos were made public before they became evidence it will be interesting to see how much scope there is for interpreting the actions of the protesters.


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    #228
    Chimichangas
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    falan wrote: »
    The whole situation stinks tbh. This could end up backfiring spectacularly on the government. Joan especially.
    I remember it happening clear as day. Joan was smiling and waving at the protesters. It was only the next day when she had been 'advised' that the sob story came out about her terrifying ordeal. Joan Burton was never in danger. A water baloon was thrown and she was called a few names? Wow.
    Some scumbag threw a brick long after joan had gone home. Nothing to do with the sit down protest.
    In the days after the protest, joan and the government milked the situation just like paul murphy is gonna milk it. I can't wait for the trial.
    If it ever happens...

    Was that a smile and a wave in the manner that of meet someone at the airport that one hasnt seen in a long time, of joy and happiness? ;):rolleyes:


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    #229
    conorh91
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    falan wrote: »
    Joan Burton was never in danger. A water baloon was thrown and she was called a few names? Wow.
    The Gardai were hardly keeping her there for her own enjoyment.

    They are all thugs. Only last month a female Garda was knocked unconscious on Kildare Street by water protesters. Hopefully the "men" responsible for that assault will be brought to justice, because this is getting out of hand.

    The wrong people are emigrating.


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    #230
    JacquesSon
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    falan wrote: »
    This could end up backfiring spectacularly on the government.

    If those thugs don't get locked up there will be outrage among the law abiding citizens but it's a judicial matter not a political one. :)


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    #231
    mickydoomsux
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    Merrion wrote: »
    You live in a free country that is itself proof that this maxim is false.

    Yeah, a load of scabby protesters blocking someone in a car for hours on end over a bill over a few euro a week that they'd rather spend on cans is exactly the same as the 1916 rising.

    Jesus wept.


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    #232
    falan
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    Chimichangas wrote:
    Was that a smile and a wave in the manner that of meet someone at the airport that one hasnt seen in a long time, of joy and happiness?


    Well it certainly wasnt smiles and waves of terror. There are pictures and videos which were going around at the time of her smiling and waving. I'm surprised she wasn't offering them her autograph. I don't think they'd want it mind.


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    #233
    RomanKnows
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    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Yeah, a load of scabby protesters blocking someone in a car for hours on end over a bill over a few euro a week that they'd rather spend on cans is exactly the same as the 1916 rising.

    Jesus wept.

    The same price as a can of Karpackie or thereabouts.


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    #234
    OldGoat
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    As Joan Bruton wasn't the only person in the car at the time I think the arguments about her smiling and the motives behind that smile are a bit redundant.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



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    #235
    falan
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    conorh91 wrote:
    They are all thugs. Only last month a female Garda was knocked unconscious on Kildare Street by water protesters. Hopefully the "men" responsible for that assault will be brought to justice, because this is getting out of hand.


    I've been at a fair few of the major protests . Never seen any aggression or violence only a carnival atmosphere. The nearest I saw was the one last October where some scum threw a firework near me as they were passing through. They were of the inbred variety and nothing to do with the protest. It's Dublin City centre. you're bound to have a few scumbags who would cause trouble no matter what the protest was about.


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    #236
    AudreyHepburn
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    Merrion wrote: »
    You live in a free country that is itself proof that this maxim is false.

    You're not seriously equating trapping a woman in her car, intimidating her and generally behaving in a violent and thug like manner to the 1916 Rising and the War of Independence are you?


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    #237
    The Muppet
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    OldGoat wrote: »
    As Joan Bruton wasn't the only person in the car at the time I think the arguments about her smiling and the motives behind that smile are a bit redundant.

    Yeah it's possible that while Joan was smiling and waving to the crowd her armed Garda driver was shi**ing himself, after all he only had A gun, the other Garda present, the public order unit and a helicopter for backup if things turned nasty.


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    #238
    Graham
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    falan wrote: »
    I've been at a fair few of the major protests . Never seen any aggression or violence only a carnival atmosphere.

    Shouldn't be a problem for the accused parties in Court then, the Youtube videos will clearly demonstrate the Carnival like proceedings of the Jobstown Water Festival.


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    #239
    Chimichangas
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    falan wrote: »
    Well it certainly wasnt smiles and waves of terror. There are pictures and videos which were going around at the time of her smiling and waving. I'm surprised she wasn't offering them her autograph. I don't think they'd want it mind.
    From what I have seen of politicians they are good at forced smiles. As in they mean nothing.

    OldGoat wrote: »
    As Joan Bruton wasn't the only person in the car at the time I think the arguments about her smiling and the motives behind that smile are a bit redundant.
    My point is above. I dont know what your point is. Is it redundant?

    The Muppet wrote: »
    Yeah it's possible that while Joan was smiling and waving to the crowd her armed Garda driver was shi**ing himself, after all he only had A gun, the other Garda present, the public order unit and a helicopter for backup if things turned nasty.
    Hmmm...:confused:
    Well its a good username anyway! ;-)


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    #240
    The Muppet
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    JacquesSon wrote: »
    If those thugs don't get locked up there will be outrage among the law abiding citizens but it's a judicial matter not a political one. :)

    Who appointed you the spokesperson for Law abiding citizens?

    I'm a law abiding citizen as I imagine are many other contributors to this thread but I will be disgusted if anyone is charged with false imprisionment for peacefully protesting .

    Thats my own opinion I know not everyone shares its.


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    #241
    CFlat
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    I think what happened yesterday is manna from heaven for Paul Murphy. He doesn't care about the possible court case in fact he sounded to me quite happy about it. It's just rasied his profile even more.

    Im reluctant to say but I think the authourites have made a mistake here. As they would say on Boards when someone is acting the dick, don't feed the troll. He should just be ignored. It's laughable that his popularity is based on trying to save people 60euro or 160euro per year on a vital resource like water. Most people, including myself, would spend that on a couple of nights out.

    I would be embarressed to say I supported him and his followers.

    BTW the implimentation and setup of IW has been a monuental f**k up since it started, but that doesn't make the concept of paying for water a bad thing.


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