La Liga Superthread 2016/17

astonaidan

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The difference is though that while they coped well without him, now he is back and this is still the Messi show. Sure, he is never one to give it the big I AM, and his act of selflessness last night was just another example of that but this remains Messi's team, the supporting cast is unrivaled, but Messi is the jewel in the crown and is the main man.
I didn't see the Athletic Bilbao game, I heard he was much better in that than in other games against decent opposition. However one good performance (and that's literally all there's been this season against opposition of any real quality) isn't enough to sway my opinion just yet.

It will always be the Messi show while hes their, but they coped handy without him showing that they could easily live was he not their, obviously they are better with him just as Madrid are with Ronaldo,
You obviously let your feelings for Ronaldo and Messi get in your view of them so saying Messi is not selfish and Ronaldo only had one good performance just proves my point. But you have forgotten Zlatan got forced out of Barcelona cause Messi wanted to score more goals and play false 9 thats very selfish and if Ronaldo did the same thing he would be hung out to dry by yourself

astonaidan

I cant be the only one who gets a head ache on this thread, **** sake its a penalty who cares they are Latin this happens all the time in Latin American football. And then other idiots spouting nonsense that they think they actually know anything about the the club from watching a few games and that their knowledge is indefinite. Being condescending doesnt mean you know anything about football, it just makes you a dick, acting like a virgin talking about sex cause youve been to a few online sites and watched some porn doesnt make you Casanova, your still a ****ing virgin who hasnt a clue what they are talking about and people know your still a virgin cause the way you talk. Oh You know nothing about sex, isnt sex great, oh yeah sex
#RantingInLaLiga

HalloweenJack

Re the Copa del Rey, it's Real's ground, they're perfectly entitled to do what they like with it. And it's no surprise whatsoever that a team with their morals would cut off their nose to spite their face.

As Barca would be, if there ever happens to be a Real vs. whoever final and both want to have it played at the Camp Nou. I don't buy 'neutrality' as an issue either. Barca were quite happy to play the final at the Camp Nou last year.

Let's take the names of the teams out of the story and look at it this way: "Football club refuses to let biggest rival play cup final they are not involved in at their ground".

Hardly that outrageous, is it? As with the peno, people making a big deal outta nothing.

irishguitarlad

Canadel wrote: »

I remember that, and I remember thinking to myself, no matter how much I am ever losing by in a game of football, please god don't ever let me embarrass myself the way those Bilbao players did that day. Their reaction was perhaps the most pathetic and petty display of sportsmanship I've seen on a football pitch. Players like Neymar are the reason the game progresses. He's the reason kids play the game in the street or at school and try to emulate his skills. He should be applauded every time he tries something like that on a football pitch.

I loved this post and has to be one of the best ive seen on here. I think here in ireland and the uk we seem to think that everone should play like absolute robots and if someone tries and does something out of the ordinary they should be automatically chopped down, we play with fear here and i think in latin countries they play with more freedom and expression. I guess bilbao are a real work horse team and would be very close style wise to an english team, maybe this is why they reacted like that, twas strange though

Andersonisgod

jmayo wrote: »

It's fooking DAIRY, DAIRY, DAIRY.
It is not cow farming or milk farming, it is not milk farmers.
It's DAIRY.

Now if I was a condescending twat, I would tell you never ever post about such things because you don't know your ar** from your elbow.
And I would tell you you have no right to voice your opinion.

But I would hope I am not a condescending know it all and thus think you have a right to your opinion, even if it is misguided or ridiculous.

And I reckon most of the posters in the Farming & Forestry thread wouldn't be that condescending either.
Shure they would like an auld bit of a laugh to take their minds off the poor price of milk.

As for the match, I think it was verging on the disrespectful.
There is a bit of a line where if you start pulling the mickie out of a team it is being disrespectful.
Did this cross that line ?
I don't know.

Actually I have never thought Messi to be one of those in your face showoffs that would go in for rubbing people's noses in it.

Now some of his team mates on the other hand would be a whole different story.

Hahaha thing is even though I'm probably the last person you'd expect to see on a farm, one of my best friend'sin college is the biggest dairy farmers you're likely to meet and he talks about it constantly so I'm a bit embarrassed that my terminology was off.

Andersonisgod

astonaidan wrote: »

It will always be the Messi show while hes their, but they coped handy without him showing that they could easily live was he not their, obviously they are better with him just as Madrid are with Ronaldo,
You obviously let your feelings for Ronaldo and Messi get in your view of them so saying Messi is not selfish and Ronaldo only had one good performance just proves my point. But you have forgotten Zlatan got forced out of Barcelona cause Messi wanted to score more goals and play false 9 thats very selfish and if Ronaldo did the same thing he would be hung out to dry by yourself

I've watched Madrid in practically every big game they've played this season and I can tell you without bias or baloney that he's performed well once against what you'd consider a decent level of competition.
That's entirely incorrect and I'm not sure where you've come up with that theory but Zlatan adores Messi, check some of his quotes about him. Messi being selfish was not a factor in Zlatan not doing as well at Barça as was hoped, claiming otherwise is either misinformation or an outright lie.

Andersonisgod

astonaidan wrote: »

I cant be the only one who gets a head ache on this thread, **** sake its a penalty who cares they are Latin this happens all the time in Latin American football. And then other idiots spouting nonsense that they think they actually know anything about the the club from watching a few games and that their knowledge is indefinite. Being condescending doesnt mean you know anything about football, it just makes you a dick, acting like a virgin talking about sex cause youve been to a few online sites and watched some porn doesnt make you Casanova, your still a ****ing virgin who hasnt a clue what they are talking about and people know your still a virgin cause the way you talk. Oh You know nothing about sex, isnt sex great, oh yeah sex
#RantingInLaLiga

I'd just like to confirm that lots of women find me very attractive and, objectively speaking, I've been told I'm quite handsome (by people other than close blood relatives)

astonaidan

irishguitarlad wrote: »

I loved this post and has to be one of the best ive seen on here. I think here in ireland and the uk we seem to think that everone should play like absolute robots and if someone tries and does something out of the ordinary they should be automatically chopped down, we play with fear here and i think in latin countries they play with more freedom and expression. I guess bilbao are a real work horse team and would be very close style wise to an english team, maybe this is why they reacted like that, twas strange though

Its not just soccer this happens in Ireland, in rugby any time any of us tried anything out of the ordinary we were told in no uncertain terms not to try it again, their is a safety first gameplan thats bet into us and the uk. Its funny cause when I played in Australia and Canada they loved the way I played in Ireland I was put full back and told to run where most our forwards are so we could retain possession :mad:

astonaidan

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I've watched Madrid in practically every big game they've played this season and I can tell you without bias or baloney that he's performed well once against what you'd consider a decent level of competition.
That's entirely incorrect and I'm not sure where you've come up with that theory but Zlatan adores Messi, check some of his quotes about him. Messi being selfish was not a factor in Zlatan not doing as well at Barça as was hoped, claiming otherwise is either misinformation or an outright lie.

Zlatan himself said it was Pep being a bitch(puta) that let Messi do what he wanted was the reason he was forced out of Barca to say otherwise is a lie.
I never said he didnt like Messi, fun fact Messi and Ronaldo get along very well its only the fans of the players that are idiots are create a rivalry between them

astonaidan

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'd just like to confirm that lots of women find me very attractive and, objectively speaking, I've been told I'm quite handsome (by people other than close blood relatives)

Quasimodo could easily say the same thing, horses for courses and all that though

Andersonisgod

astonaidan wrote: »

Zlatan himself said it was Pep being a bitch(puta) that let Messi do what he wanted was the reason he was forced out of Barca to say otherwise is a lie.
I never said he didnt like Messi, fun fact Messi and Ronaldo get along very well its only the fans of the players that are idiots are create a rivalry between them

Actually that Messi/Ronaldo mutual respect took some time to develop, it was pretty icy between the two for a while.
If you think Pep Guardiola, a man who I'd say might genuinely suffer from OCD from the vast amount of descriptions I've read of his work, would allow a player to decide himself to play wherever he likes is madness and a complete fabrication. By the way this exact topic is talked about in the stunning book "Pep Confidential" you should check it out.

kksaints

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35586480

More tax problems for Neymar. At least this wont be too hard to get out of.

Andersonisgod

astonaidan wrote: »

Quasimodo could easily say the same thing, horses for courses and all that though

Well I'd like to think I'm better looking than that!

astonaidan

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Actually that Messi/Ronaldo mutual respect took some time to develop, it was pretty icy between the two for a while.
If you think Pep Guardiola, a man who I'd say might genuinely suffer from OCD from the vast amount of descriptions I've read of his work, would allow a player to decide himself to play wherever he likes is madness and a complete fabrication. By the way this exact topic is talked about in the stunning book "Pep Confidential" you should check it out.

Its also spoken about in Zlatans book, check it out, I generally only read sports books that interest me, Peps managerial career will interest me when its finished till then it wont be a book Id read on. A book while a career is ongoing is just propaganda for the sheep to have something to quote

MD1990

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699650487772172288

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699654619350372352

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699657527324241920

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699658420090204162

lol

Andersonisgod

astonaidan wrote: »

Its also spoken about in Zlatans book, check it out, I generally only read sports books that interest me, Peps managerial career will interest me when its finished till then it wont be a book Id read on. A book while a career is ongoing is just propaganda for the sheep to have something to quote

I think you've completely misinterpreted what the boo is about. It's not a biography on Pep's life and career thus far, in the mould of say Guillem Ballague's "Another Way of Winning" (which is also tremendous), rather it is a book which is the most detailed account of a top level coach that you are likely to find. The author, Martí Peranau was granted unprecedented access to Guardiola each day and the book describes Guardiola's much vaunted training and man management lessons and is essentially the story of a coach transporting an entirely different football culture to one of the biggest clubs in the world. For anyone wishing to speak about Pep, or Bayern Munich under Pep, it is essential reading.

Andersonisgod

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699650487772172288

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699654619350372352

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699657527324241920

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699658420090204162

lol

Ronaldo in a nutshell, what else do you expect?

MisterAnarchy

Canadel wrote: »

I remember that, and I remember thinking to myself, no matter how much I am ever losing by in a game of football, please god don't ever let me embarrass myself the way those Bilbao players did that day. Their reaction was perhaps the most pathetic and petty display of sportsmanship I've seen on a football pitch. Players like Neymar are the reason the game progresses. He's the reason kids play the game in the street or at school and try to emulate his skills. He should be applauded every time he tries something like that on a football pitch.

I know what you are saying and I agree ,I love when players express themselves in a game ,its quite rare you see players have the courage or freedom to try these tricks.
Coaching and fear football has almost wiped out freestyle play.

However there is a time and a place for it and I just thought it was showboating against Bilbao ,the tie was long over and the full back was a young inexperienced guy .

kfallon

Was it Bilboa who gave Barca a good pasting in the Supercup earlier this season?

MisterAnarchy

kfallon wrote: »

Was it Bilboa who gave Barca a good pasting in the Supercup earlier this season?

Yes it was

Corholio

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699650487772172288

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699654619350372352

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699657527324241920

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699658420090204162

lol

Did you read the article/the line of questioning?

He gave a very good reference point for those quotes of when he was at United and his relationship with players there. But it's Ronaldo, he only randomly says individual quotes after all.

Andersonisgod

Corholio wrote: »

Did you read the article/the line of questioning?

He gave a very good reference point for those quotes of when he was at United and his relationship with players there. But it's Ronaldo, he only randomly says individual quotes after all.

This is the same guy who had a go at Pique and Alves for things they posted on social media, he should be careful what he says.

Corholio

Andersonisgod wrote: »

This is the same guy who had a go at Pique and Alves for things they posted on social media, he should be careful what he says.

Pique was completely fair game for his reaction to Real's expulsion. Social media should be taken away from most players to be honest.

Andersonisgod

Corholio wrote: »

Pique was completely fair game for his reaction to Real's expulsion. Social media should be taken away from most players to be honest.

Then equally I'd say this quote is fair game for scrutiny too. Anyway I don't care that much, it's childish bickering.

astonaidan

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I think you've completely misinterpreted what the boo is about. It's not a biography on Pep's life and career thus far, in the mould of say Guillem Ballague's "Another Way of Winning" (which is also tremendous), rather it is a book which is the most detailed account of a top level coach that you are likely to find. The author, Martí Peranau was granted unprecedented access to Guardiola each day and the book describes Guardiola's much vaunted training and man management lessons and is essentially the story of a coach transporting an entirely different football culture to one of the biggest clubs in the world. For anyone wishing to speak about Pep, or Bayern Munich under Pep, it is essential reading.

So it is a propaganda book then, you should have just said that then, I have said in the past reading books about football doesnt actually mean you understand football, I could go out and say read 30 books about dairy farming still wouldnt have a ****ing clue about dairy farming, this is generally how your views are seen tbh, your views are the sheep view, the view of someone who actually hasnt a clue, you see Ive followed Peps career a lot longer than you, Ive actually watched him at Brescia. Honestly I feel you know very little about football, how I know this you dont know how to put your points across without insulting the other people, it shows a deep lack of intelligence, more empty vessels and more noice dilemma

Andersonisgod

astonaidan wrote: »

So it is a propaganda book then, you should have just said that then, I have said in the past reading books about football doesnt actually mean you understand football, I could go out and say read 30 books about dairy farming still wouldnt have a ****ing clue about dairy farming, this is generally how your views are seen tbh, your views are the sheep view, the view of someone who actually hasnt a clue, you see Ive followed Peps career a lot longer than you, Ive actually watched him at Brescia. Honestly I feel you know very little about football, how I know this you dont know how to put your points across without insulting the other people, it shows a deep lack of intelligence, more empty vessels and more noice dilemma

Sometimes there really is little point in talking to you. You've taken what I've said and just spun it the way you want to read it. To be blunt with you I don't particularly care if you read it or not, I have. It's a book that's highly regarded within football, speak to any youth coach, a coach who is developing or even some senior coaches (Eddie Howe namedropped it and there's a pic of another coach with the book I just can't remember who) or any pundits with close ties to Spain and there's a very good chance they've read it and would recommend it. But whatever. I think you are implying there that I have no practical football experience but I've played it for a long time and I coach it too. On Pep, count me in as a member of "the cult of Pep" I'm pretty sharp on that particular topic.

Anyway I'm entirely bored of you piggybacking off me so I'm not going to grace you with any replies of any great content when the replies I get back are as pitiful as the one above.

chopperbyrne

Describing any book by Guillem Ballague as tremendous invalidates any other opinion you have on any topic, and brings your sanity into question.

sligeach

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699650487772172288

https://twitter.com/Sport_EN/status/699654619350372352

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699657527324241920

https://twitter.com/InfoCristiano/status/699658420090204162

lol

I can't and he obviously can't either understand why he's so disliked and will never be remembered as the greatest player ever, even if it that statement was remotely factually correct. He has a tough life, God love him. :rolleyes:

MisterAnarchy

dfx- wrote: »

But for all the gloss on the scoreline, a injury-hit Celta were very much in the game at 2-1. It was one of the tightest 6-1s you'll see and Wass had a great chance to equalise just before Suarez' second. There'll be no walkover against Arsenal or Gijon even..

I actually watched the whole match last night and to be honest Barcelona were pretty poor for the majority of it.
Their passing was very inconsistent and sloppy .
385/560 passes in the first 70 minutes ,that's 175 incomplete passes ,I've never seen them give away the ball so much .

Celta defended well but in possession they were limited,at times under little pressure ,they could barely string 3 passes together .

There is no doubt the scoreline flattered to deceive and Bravo yet again had to make a number of key saves .

MD1990

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I actually watched the whole match last night and to be honest Barcelona were pretty poor for the majority of it.
Their passing was very inconsistent and sloppy .
385/560 passes in the first 70 minutes ,that's 175 incomplete passes ,I've never seen them give away the ball so much .

Celta defended well but in possession they were limited,at times under little pressure ,they could barely string 3 passes together .

There is no doubt the scoreline flattered to deceive and Bravo yet again had to make a number of key saves .

i wouldn't say they were under little pressure. They are the 3rd best team in terms of possession in La Liga as well. Agree with the rest though.

Bobby Baccala

Sick goal by Messi against Gijon, the man is a freak of nature

dreamers75

Missed the 2nd the 3rd goals making tea

dr.kenneth noisewater

Never knew Rossi had gone on loan to Levante. Good to see him back playing and scoring, a good player destroyed by injuries

HalloweenJack

It's such a shame. He's such a great striker but his career been's absolutely destroyed by injuries.

You have to wonder how far he could've gone.

Toobz

Great 3pm kick off here.

Barcas goal was good, Las Palmas then went and bettered it.

irishguitarlad

Watching Betis and Gijón here. There is no real team on top, the home side have had a few half chances. Musonda is impressing again, looks to be a very good loan deal.

irishguitarlad

Two very good goals there first Castro score for Gijon then like a minute later pezella the CB for betis with a great finish

irishguitarlad

A draw, definitely points lost for Betis. The more I see of Dani Ceballos the more Im convinced that he is just not cut out for this level.

dfx-

Heh, I just saw the video of Messi and Neymar being man-marked by Gijon during the week for Suarez' penalty

:pac:

Headshot

A.Madrid badly miss having a top striker this season

callaway92

Headshot wrote: »

A.Madrid badly miss having a top striker this season

Griezmann is a top striker

Headshot

callaway92 wrote: »

Griezmann is a top striker

He is closer to no 10.

They need a lot better than Torres

Turtwig

It'd be really interesting to see what would have happened if Suarez was at Atletico rather than Barca.

Davaeo09

First time posting in a long time but I see not much has changed with people having a go at Anderson.

Any way after this weekends round of matches Barcelona are in a very good position to retain the league title.

Its been a pleasure to watch how Suarez has brought out the best in his team mates. The way he uses his body and work rate to bring Neymar and Messi into the game is amazing. I actually rate him higher than Neymar based on current form. Its a shame he was left out of the Ballon D'or top three. Criminal even.

LuckyGent88

Athletico a goal up against real here in the Madrid derby after 60 minutes.
Goal from griezmann after 53.

dreamers75

Real all over the place at the back.

Atletico are basically honey badgers without the ball.

miralize

As much as it pains me, I want Real to score & end as a draw. Much more concerned about Atletico at this stage.

dreamers75

miralize wrote: »

As much as it pains me, I want Real to score & end as a draw. Much more concerned about Atletico at this stage.

Unless the Ref gives them a goal cant really see them scoring.

ricero

Rafa was sacked for less

irishguitarlad

Its clear to see that some of the players had a word with Perez to sack Rafa and get Zidane in as they knew that Zidane would take things nice and easy with them.