La Liga Superthread 2016/17

astonaidan

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The style originated with Ajax, and when Cruyff got involved in Barca's management he influenced the model in how La Masia brought kids through the ranks. It has nothing to do with Guardiola. We seen the first group of kids brought up under the revamped model break through circa 04-05 and there's been a continuous conveyor belt ever since. Barca will always play in the same fashion regardless of who the manager is (obviously differing slightly under each manager) unless the youth model is changed once more. Barca are all about the system, not the manager. But it takes a great manager to get the best out of the system and Guardiola understood it, he just didn't revolutionise it or modern football, Cruyff did.

100% agree, great manager but the club is who taught these players how to play, Swansea tried doing it on a smaller scale and did well for a while but seem to have stopped bringing lads through playing the style they want

The Golden Miller

astonaidan wrote: »

100% agree, great manager but the club is who taught these players how to play, Swansea tried doing it on a smaller scale and did well for a while but seem to have stopped bringing lads through playing the style they want

Yep, Barca is about the system rather than the manager. But they do need a top manager who understands the style because if it isn't precision football, a backs against the wall job from another top team will normally stop them. So it has to be 10/10 all the time in the latter stages of the Champions League. We seen them regress under Vilanova and Martino when this wasn't the case. We can even see Bayern coming up short every year trying to play tiki-taka football because it just isn't at Barca's level.

HalloweenJack

I know that it starts with the youth but with the first team, Guardiola took them to another level and with a style that was a very extreme version of what they do at La Masia and I feel like it was something new at the time and it took a while for people to respond to it.

I agree with the conveyor belt and the system, I think Barcelona are so well organised that they just need a manager with a bit of sense and they'll be a success (look at Rijkaard's and Luis Enrique's records).

eagle eye

It's not about the youth system really. That was just a special time where they had a lot of youths around the same age who broke through and they will always have a couple but the current team is not about their youth system.

Their two goalkeepers, Dani Alves, Javier Mascherano, Rakitic, Neymar, Suarez and Turan did not come through their youth system.

They still have Iniesta, Busquets, Messi and I suppose we should include Sergi Roberto, who has played enough games this season to be included, are the only regular contributors to the first team that came through the academy.

Some people will include Alba because he spent most of his youth career there but he was gone from there for seven years so he isn't really a product of the Barca youth acacemy seeing as he didn't start or finish his youth career there and had to find his way into senior football and then to the Primera Liga on his own.

GreNoLi

A destruction of real on the cards I'd say.

Andersonisgod

Real Madrid very clearly are not pressing.

blueser

Real Madrid fans (presume it was them anyway; hardly Barca fans) ruining the minute's silence for Cruyff. Pondlife.

Bret Hart

Barcelona dominating.

Mushy

Barca could hammer Real here. Ramos booked despite everyone somehow missing Suarez being a long way offside.

Dunno how that wasn't a penalty!

GreNoLi

Good tackle, hankies away for the moment.

astonaidan

Mushy wrote: »

Barca could hammer Real here. Ramos booked despite everyone somehow missing Suarez being a long way offside.

Dunno how that wasn't a penalty!

Because it was outside the box

GreNoLi

Naughty Suarez, should be red.

deaddonkey15

Is it just me or has the commentator referred to the stadium as the Bernabeu at least twice?

Mushy

astonaidan wrote: »

Because it was outside the box

Well that too, but looked inside on first viewing!

astonaidan

GreNoLi wrote: »

Naughty Suarez, should be red.

For such a talented player, hes such a total scumbag

dirkmeister

Ramos pointing to the ball because he touched the ball.

This co commentator is blind.

Dirty Dingus McGee

According to Terry Gibson on commentary Suarez only brushed Pepes chest with his elbow despite it being clear to everyone in the world that he connected with his jaw.

Suarez should really have been sent off.

GreNoLi

Wonder how Enrique would get on at a less prestigious club.

JIdontknow

Could the commentators be any more anti Real Madrid? Don't follow either team but pretty sure Ramos got a touch on the ball (and I don't like Ramos).

astonaidan

GreNoLi wrote: »

Wonder how Enrique would get on at a less prestigious club.

Had Celta playing ok and he had a shot managing Roma and now Ive ruined your joke :pac:

SlickRic

Real restricting Barca so far, and making it look easy.

Could change any minute, mind.

Headshot

Dreadful match so far.

Wouldnt surprise me to see it end 0-0

eagle eye

GreNoLi wrote: »

Wonder how Enrique would get on at a less prestigious club.

He already has managed less prestigious clubs with mixed results. Did well with Barca B, not so good in his only season with Roma and pretty well in his only season with Celta Vigo.

astonaidan

Christ the commentators still going on about the penalty, the ball was outside the box you idiots :rolleyes:

astonaidan

eagle eye wrote: »

He already has managed less prestigious clubs with mixed results. Did well with Barca B, not so good in his only season with Roma and pretty well in his only season with Celta Vigo.

Did you just reword everything I say you bastard :pac::pac:

Mushy

Awful by Benzema!

GreNoLi

Headshot wrote: »

Dreadful match so far.

Wouldnt surprise me to see it end 0-0

Dead rubber really.

dirkmeister

I'm no fan on Pepe but Suarez gave him a right belt of an elbow,yet the lads on Sky think he didn't connect?!?!

Gbear

astonaidan wrote: »

Christ the commentators still going on about the penalty, the ball was outside the box you idiots :rolleyes:

Also, Ramos got the ball.

Dunno are they seeing the same images we are but you'd need to be utterly blind to call that as a penalty.

astonaidan

Mushy wrote: »

Awful by Benzema!

Not like it was a tap in

derm0j073

Hasn't been a good half of football. Neither team setting the world on fire.

Mushy

astonaidan wrote: »

Not like it was a tap in

I'd still expect a professional player of his ability to do better than he did

astonaidan

Mushy wrote: »

I'd still expect a professional player of his ability to do better than he did

Id say Suarez was a easy chance and should be criticzized , Benzemas was difficult, would have been a great finish but no shame mi****ting it imo

Mushy

astonaidan wrote: »

Id say Suarez was a easy chance and should be criticzized , Benzemas was difficult, would have been a great finish but no shame mi****ting it imo

Suarez one was abysmal, didn't see it in real time. Benzema had time for a touch, it was still awful!

Turtwig

Both teams playing like they have more important fixtures coming. They probably should have just played their reserves as this is a dead rubber fixture in context of the league title anyway.

astonaidan

Ramos should be gone, and Dani Alves showing the world hes just scum as always, christ if you were in that much pain youd be hardly moving

derm0j073

He absolutely buried that.

Mushy

Powerful header, deserved lead really.

Andersonisgod

Yes! Yes! Goal! How sweet it is! Pique, who the Madrid press have hounded all season, buries the header. Ithe could not be any sweeter. 1-0

eagle eye

Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Ronaldo, Benzema and Bale all on the field. Who would have guessed at Pique scoring a goal?

Turtwig

I'm astonished you didn't go with Palmer's "King of Catalunya" hyperbole. :P

GreNoLi

Turtwig wrote: »

I'm astonished you didn't go with Palmer's "King of Catalunya" hyperbole. :P

Rob Palmer belongs in Fraggle Rock.

Mushy

Lovely finish by Benzema

derm0j073

Lovely finish, much better game this half.

Dirty Dingus McGee

A goal from the gods from Benzema. Real Madrid once again provide us with the gift of the beautiful game, only Real Madrid can play like this.

Turtwig

GreNoLi wrote: »

Rob Palmer belongs in Fraggle Rock.

If Palmer belongs there, where does Ray Hudson? I'm watching Sky anyone watching Ray?

super_furry

Poor enough game really.

LuckyGent88

Terrible decision

super_furry

That's an appalling decision. Bale is in the air when the defender makes contact with him.

lassykk

Blatant favourtism for Barcelona from the ref'linesman there. Not a thing wrong with Bale's goal.