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Do some people want to see Ireland do badly at the Rugby World Cup?

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    #152
    droidman123
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Because you're so obsessed about what national anthem they sing or don't sing, that you're not prepared to support a team that includes the entire island of Ireland

    It's sad and pathetic that people like you call for a united ireland and when there is a united irish sports team, you refuse to support them because they're singing the wrong song.

    what in gods name are you talking about? when did I call for a united Ireland? show me that post please. I simply said I think its disgraceful that they don't sing out national anthem.i know all about the politics surrounding the rugby team,but I don't care who plays for them.the point is they are either Ireland or they are not.if they are masquerading on the world stage as Ireland,then they should sing our national anthem like most other countries do.i find it embaressing to see the likes of the usa belting out their national anthem with pride and then it comes to Ireland and they sing some half assed song to appease players who don't see themselves as irish.no one is forcing anyone to play for the team.


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    #153
    keano_afc
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    diomed wrote: »
    Not the real World Cup.

    Its the real rugby world cup.


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    #154
    Cienciano
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    Nib wrote: »
    Argentina beat South Africa two weeks ago.

    There's a lot of ill informed people talking sh1t in this thread.
    kfallon wrote: »
    Tbh the Football World Cup has 32 teams, you could only ever see one of 6 or 7 nations prob winning it, Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Spain, France, Italy and maybe, at a push, Holland!
    At the last soccer world cup Spain were ranked number 1. In their first game they lost 5-1 to Netherlands.
    In rugby the 15th rank team is Japan. Imagine they beat New Zealand by 40-50 points and then New Zealand didn't get out of their group.

    I love watching rugby but I don't understand why people try and pretend it has the strenght and depth worldwide as soccer, it's not even close. No shame in that, soccer is the biggest game in the world by a mile, rugby is long, long, long way back. Rugby has it's upsets, but the nature of the game an upset is a lot harder to happen.


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    #155
    Pherekydes
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Same in the FIFA World Cup. Since 1966, only 6 countries have won the tournament.

    The rest just really make up the numbers.

    In seven rugby world cups, only twelve countries have reached the QFs. Two of those, Canada and Fiji, probably benefited from the absence of South Africa from the first two tournaments.

    Five, NZL, AUS, ENG, FRA and RSA have reached the QF of every tournament they have contested. SCO have reached 6 QFs and IRL have reached 5. How many new teams do you expect in this year's QF?

    Here's this year's QFs:

    ENG v SCO
    AUS v RSA
    NZL v FRA
    IRL v ARG


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    #156
    iDave
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    GAA is my first love but I'd bloody love to see Ireland win the RWC. Going to Ireland V Italy and cant wait.

    Its seems most of the begrudgery here is coming from those of a soccer background with these high and mighty opinions like 'its not a real world cup', 'they're just friendlies not tests', 'poshos' etc.

    It is a real World Cup. If Wales v Tonga doesn't float your boat fine, but Serbia v Korea in the FIFA version doesn't exactly help the 'not a real world cup' point of view.

    One off competitive matches called Tests are genuine competitive games and exist in a number of sports. Reducing them to friendlies is a soccer-centric point of view thats irrelevant to Rugby, and Cricket for that matter.

    Now imagine Ireland did win, the flags and bunting everywhere, the packed pubs, the general positivity, open top parade. What kind of boring curmudgeon do you have to be to not want that?


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    #157
    Omackeral
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I can't stand football, but by god I supported our team in Italia 90 etc.

    If there's one thing the Irish love, it's a bandwagon.


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    #158
    [Deleted User]
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    In seven rugby world cups, only twelve countries have reached the QFs. Two of those, Canada and Fiji, probably benefited from the absence of South Africa from the first two tournaments.

    Canada have gone as far as we have in the RWC?

    You learn something new. That's pretty awful.


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    #159
    RickyOFlaherty
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    recylingbin wrote: »
    D4 is a state of mind, not a geographical area. You know the ones. The fake accent gives them away.

    It's about wealth and privilege. A lot of it earned through cronyism and the old rugger network fed into that.


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    #160
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    iDave wrote: »
    GAA is my first love but I'd bloody love to see Ireland win the RWC. Going to Ireland V Italy and cant wait.

    Its seems most of the begrudgery here is coming from those of a soccer background with these high and mighty opinions like 'its not a real world cup', 'they're just friendlies not tests', 'poshos' etc.

    That based on a count, or being a GAA fan are you just trying to say "it's them guys over there, not the nice GAA fans"?


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    #161
    iDave
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That based on a count, or being a GAA fan are you just trying to say "it's them guys over there, not the nice GAA fans"?

    No it's an observation I made.


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    #162
    Omackeral
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    LorMal wrote: »
    You are spot on there, Eugene. Grown adults with big beer bellies wearing soccer jerseys, talking about 'us' and 'we' as if they are part of the club, shouting at a telly in a pub, teams complied of players from all over the world, players pretending that they care about the club and the 'supporters'.....

    Anyone above the age of 14 buying into that is a moron.

    And then there are us lepers who follow our own League of Ireland teams week in and week out all over the country who get sneered at by these lads a lot of the time despite the fact they've probably not been to see "their" team in 5 years. "You Scouse this, you Manc that." Idiots to a man anyone who's ever said those words.


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    #163
    iDave
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    And then there are us lepers who follow our own League of Ireland teams week in and week out all over the country who get sneered at by these lads a lot of the time despite the fact they've probably not been to see "their" team in 5 years. "You Scouse this, you Manc that." Idiots to a man anyone who's ever said those words.


    Also Irish Premier League fans are the most self entitled bunch going. From May to August its nothing but moaning about no football being on (ahem LOI/Copa America). They fill lunch breaks in work talking about 'transfer gossip'. Sergio Ramos prick teasing Van Gaal is somehow more interesting that a great Federer performance, provincial final, Dundalk in Champs Lge etc
    They whine when international breaks happen, but then big up the World Cup as a 'real' world cup here. I've even noticed complaining when FA Cup weekends take place.
    RWC will take some media attention and hype off the PL and thats now an issue for them.


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    #164
    Kev.OC
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    Streetwalker wrote: »
    The only reason we do well at Rugby is because feck all nations play it. It's not a real sport like football which is played the world over.

    This argument pops up almost every time rugby is mentioned on this form. Let's forget about the numbers that play and look at percentages.

    Total points in Fifa world rankings; 82606
    Average points ; 397
    Ireland's points; 608
    Percentage compared to average points; +53.1%

    Total points in rugby world rankings; 5321.75
    Average points; 52.17
    Ireland's points; 86.89
    Percentage compared to average; +66.5%

    Yes, rugby is a smaller game, it's played by fewer nations, but when you compare Ireland's points to the average in the rankings, rugby is outscoring soccer. So can we please drop the "we only look good cause no one plays it" angle.

    Some people think soccer > rugby. Some think rugby > soccer. Lets just agree to disagree and move on.

    (Some people like both equally but they're weird. :P )


    droidman123 wrote: »
    what in gods name are you talking about? when did I call for a united Ireland? show me that post please. I simply said I think its disgraceful that they don't sing out national anthem.i know all about the politics surrounding the rugby team,but I don't care who plays for them.the point is they are either Ireland or they are not.if they are masquerading on the world stage as Ireland,then they should sing our national anthem like most other countries do.i find it embaressing to see the likes of the usa belting out their national anthem with pride and then it comes to Ireland and they sing some half assed song to appease players who don't see themselves as irish.no one is forcing anyone to play for the team.


    Am, they do that though. The Irish rugby team sing the Irish anthem. The Republic of Ireland has a national anthem. Northern Ireland has a national anthem. And when it comes to rugby, thanks to Mr Phil Coulter, the united island of Ireland has an anthem.


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    #165
    kfallon
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    Kev.OC wrote: »
    And when it comes to rugby, thanks to Mr Phil Coulter, the united island of Ireland has an anthem.

    To be fair he deserves no thanks for that abomination!!!


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    #166
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    Bio Mech wrote: »
    Someone is definitely going to win so you can start being happy now.

    I'm always happy, except when I'm not.


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    #167
    Omackeral
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    I do actually and when I was working at a promotion to give away free tickets to the Ireland Austria match a couple of years ago, the conversation went something like this.

    Me: are you a football fan?
    Them: I am yeah
    Me: we are offering free tickets if you'll answer three quick questions on a video for us
    Them: yeah sure what tickets are they?
    Me: ireland and Austria
    Them: a feck off couldn't be bothered sure I wouldn't even watch it on the telly

    That's verbatim and repeated for a large amount of people we met

    Spot on. I remember we were called The Best Fans In The World after Euro 2012 in Poland because a load of us sang the Fields of Athenry after being thumped 4-0. Great for a p*ss up and holiday no doubt, each and every week or non glam affairs... forget about it.


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    #168
    Jawgap
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    kfallon wrote: »
    To be fair he deserves no thanks for that abomination!!!

    Absolutely.......what a dirge!!!

    The French have La Marseillaise, the Jocks have Flower of Scotland, the Taffies, Land of My Fathers and we have a tune that a bad Failte Ireland ad wouldn't touch with the upright of a rugby goal post.


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    Agent Smith
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    what in gods name are you talking about? when did I call for a united Ireland? show me that post please. I simply said I think its disgraceful that they don't sing out national anthem.i know all about the politics surrounding the rugby team,but I don't care who plays for them.the point is they are either Ireland or they are not.if they are masquerading on the world stage as Ireland,then they should sing our national anthem like most other countries do.i find it embaressing to see the likes of the usa belting out their national anthem with pride and then it comes to Ireland and they sing some half assed song to appease players who don't see themselves as irish.no one is forcing anyone to play for the team.


    But we dont play as the country of Ireland....
    We play as the Island of Ireland, which has 2 countries on it.

    They play the National Anthem of Ireland when the game is being held there.

    Guess what, They will play the Welsh and English anthems at the world cup when neither Wales or England are playing.

    Whats the problem.

    You are clutching at straws here.


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    #170
    droidman123
    Registered Users Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭droidman123


    Agent Smith wrote: »
    But we dont play as the country of Ireland....
    We play as the Island of Ireland, which has 2 countries on it.

    They play the National Anthem of Ireland when the game is being held there.

    Guess what, They will play the Welsh and English anthems at the world cup when neither Wales or England are playing.

    Whats the problem.

    You are clutching at straws here.

    But we dont play as the country of ireland? Exactly, so why do they call themselves ireland and wear an ireland jersey? Why do the fans shout ' come on ireland"? I am not clutching at straws, i simply made my point as to why i most certainly wont be supporting a team calling themslves ireland when as you say, its actually a team off two different countries.maybe the could think of a new name for the team and stop mis representing my country abroad.


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    #171
    tritium
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    But we dont play as the country of ireland? Exactly, so why do they call themselves ireland and wear an ireland jersey? Why do the fans shout ' come on ireland"? I am not clutching at straws, i simply made my point as to why i most certainly wont be supporting a team calling themslves ireland when as you say, its actually a team off two different countries.maybe the could think of a new name for the team and stop mis representing my country abroad.

    They're not misrepresenting your country, there is no Republic of Ireland Rugby Union team....


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    #172
    Agent Smith
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    But we dont play as the country of ireland? Exactly, so why do they call themselves ireland and wear an ireland jersey? Why do the fans shout ' come on ireland"? I am not clutching at straws, i simply made my point as to why i most certainly wont be supporting a team calling themslves ireland when as you say, its actually a team off two different countries.maybe the could think of a new name for the team and stop mis representing my country abroad.



    The Team Represents the Island of Ireland.


    Like in the Olympics, Team GB represents the Ireland of Great Britain.


    They call themselves Ireland because the Name of the Island is Ireland.


    What do you not get?


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    #173
    droidman123
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    tritium wrote: »
    They're not misrepresenting your country, there is no Republic of Ireland Rugby Union team....

    Oh ok. That clears that up then.


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    #174
    droidman123
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    Agent Smith wrote: »
    The Team Represents the Island of Ireland.


    Like in the Olympics, Team GB represents the Ireland of Great Britain.


    They call themselves Ireland because the Name of the Island is Ireland.


    What do you not get?

    What i dont get is why they dont play the irish national anthem.


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    #175
    kfallon
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    Agent Smith wrote: »
    The Team Represents the Island of Ireland.


    Like in the Olympics, Team GB represents the Ireland of Great Britain.


    They call themselves Ireland because the Name of the Island is Ireland.


    What do you not get?

    Oh no you didn't.....oh good Lord!!!
    Where's my tin hat.....

    :pac:


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    #176
    Jawgap
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    What i dont get is why they dont play the irish national anthem.

    Because the IRFU and the Ireland team are representative of the island, which embraces two national jurisdictions.


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    #177
    Cienciano
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    If there's one thing the Irish every sports fan in the world love, it's a bandwagon.
    Fixed your post


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    ohnonotgmail
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    Jawgap wrote: »
    Because the IRFU and the Ireland team are representative of the island, which embraces two national jurisdictions.


    it is amazing the number of people who find that concept difficult.


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    #179
    anncoates
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    I like football but don't really get behind the international team anymore for various reasons, but I'd still like them to do well obviously.

    Whatever sports Ireland competes in, I'd like them to do well even if don't like the sport whether it's rugby, athletics or whatever. I especially feel glad for the people that support and/or are involved with the sport, week-in, week-out, not just when it's going through a popular phase.

    That said, I won't just suddenly start watching a sport or getting all excited just because it's a marquee event.

    And I do resent the cheap armchair nationalism of being chided - often by people that never support the sport outside of marquee events - for 'not getting behind the lads' just because I'm not dancing in the streets when it's on.


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    #180
    rainbow kirby
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    Full spectrum sports fan here (even went to a Diamond League athletics meeting on my honeymoon) - and really looking forward to the RWC. Going to all the group games except the Canada one. I'd like to think we have a decent chance, but won't assume anything until after the group stage.


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    #181
    sjb25
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    droidman123 wrote: »
    i most certainly wont be supporting a team calling themslves ireland when as you say, its actually a team off two different countries.maybe the could think of a new name for the team and stop mis representing my country abroad.

    Who made it your country???

    What name would you like the team called????

    You won't be supporting them? We'll then don't plenty of us will so don't worry yourself over it

    The rugby team are an actual all Ireland team which is a great thing considering all that has happened no.?

    And by the way they do play Amhrán na bhFiann at home matches

    http://youtu.be/cX4ka-5j2vU


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