World Championships - Beijing 2015 Megathread

tunguska

I dunno, watching Dibaba I just feel uncomfortable. Something not right there.

Pherekydes

tunguska wrote: »

I dunno, watching Dibaba I just feel uncomfortable. Something not right there.

Me too. I couldn't keep up with her for 100m.

walshb

Pherekydes wrote: »

Insane last 800m from Dibaba, around 1:57. Simpson lost a shoe.

Bett winning the 400m Hurdles was a surprise. A lot of turnover in the one lap hurdles.

Surely she could go at the 800 record running like that?

Slow_Runner

Could the Pole get a DQ for that push?

Pherekydes

walshb wrote: »

Surely she could go at the 800 record running like that?

I doubt it. Her aerobic capacity allows her to run full speed at the end of a slow race like that, even over 800m, but I'd doubt she could go much faster. Maybe 1:55 tops. Remember, that 1:57 was with a rolling start.

walshb

Pherekydes wrote: »

I doubt it. Her aerobic capacity allows her to run full speed at the end of a slow race like that, even over 800m, but I'd doubt she could go much faster. Maybe 1:55 tops. Remember, that 1:57 was with a rolling start.

True. I forgot the record was 1.53. Thought it was 1.56. She'd definitely give it a crack.

Chivito550

Pherekydes wrote: »

I doubt it. Her aerobic capacity allows her to run full speed at the end of a slow race like that, even over 800m, but I'd doubt she could go much faster. Maybe 1:55 tops. Remember, that 1:57 was with a rolling start.

You'd be surprised. Apparantly, from what I have heard here, her coach reckons she is in 3:47/3:48 shape. You'd have to think 1:53 is possible to be honest.

Pherekydes

Chivito550 wrote: »

Apparantly, from what I have heard here, her coach reckons...

I prefer stopwatches.

Notwork Error

walshb wrote: »

True. I forgot the record was 1.53. Thought it was 1.56. She'd definitely give it a crack.

Nah, that records out there and the first 700m was an amble! She's much more on the endurance side and reminds me hugely of EL G.

To give you an idea, off a much more relatively individual fast pace for the first 700m in Athens, El G ran the last 800m in 1.46, blistering fast and finished 7 seconds slower than his PB in 3:34 and he was never going to break the 800m WR. Even with that kick, Dibaba was over 17 seconds slower than her PB today. Not taking anything away from her run as she's an incredible athlete but I highly doubt she could get close to that record. All about her aerobic efficiency.

walshb

Notwork Error wrote: »

Nah, that records out there and the first 700m was an amble! She's much more on the endurance side and reminds me hugely of EL G.

To give you an idea, off a much more relatively individual fast pace for the first 700m in Athens, El G ran the last 800m in 1.46, blistering fast and finished 7 seconds slower than his PB in 3:34 and he was never going to break the 800m WR. Even with that kick, Dibaba was over 17 seconds slower than her PB today. Not taking anything away from her run as she's an incredible athlete but I highly doubt she could get close to that record. All about her aerobic efficiency.

It is out there, but if the split time is correct at 1 mins 57 off a flying start then 1 m,ins 57/56 or lower is possible? Hell of a time that. Would put her top 20 all time?

Chivito550

Anybody who doesn't think somebody who can run 3:50, and more than likely a few seconds quicker for 1500m, can't at least seriously threaten a 1:53 is wrong IMO.

Myles Splitz

Chivito550 wrote: »

Anybody who doesn't think somebody who can run 3:50, and more than likely a few seconds quicker for 1500m, can't at least seriously threaten a 1:53 is wrong IMO.

I can actually name you a few male counter parts as an example off top of my head, remember she is a 1500/5000m runner. I would say 1.55 territory

Chivito550

Myles Splitz wrote: »

I can actually name you a few male counter parts as an example off top of my head, remember she is a 1500/5000m runner. I would say 1.55 territory

I'd say 1:54 high, but with more specific work who knows. If that 1:58 at the end of 6 x 800 off 4 mins is true then she really does have potential over the distance. She's probably not bothered though, so we may never find out.

shels4ever

Myles Splitz wrote: »

I can actually name you a few male counter parts as an example off top of my head, remember she is a 1500/5000m runner. I would say 1.55 territory

Wonder how good her younger sisters will be 😄

walshb

She has anaerobic speed in those legs. Special athlete.

Notwork Error

Myles Splitz wrote: »

I can actually name you a few male counter parts as an example off top of my head, remember she is a 1500/5000m runner. I would say 1.55 territory

And a woman too, not being sexist but it makes a difference.

If she can break that 800m WR, she could probably go close to sub-4 for the mile. Not likely in my book.

Myles Splitz

Notwork Error wrote: »

And a woman too, not being sexist but it makes a difference.

If she can break that 800m WR, she could probably go sub-4 for the mile. Not likely in my book.

Even with a 1.53/3.47 basis I wouldn't even put her in realms of sub 4 not just in terms of ability (you are talking being in about 3.43 1500m shape) but also in terms of providing a pacer, it took a world indoor 800m athlete to pace her to her 3.50.

Chivito550

Myles Splitz wrote: »

Even with a 1.53/3.47 basis I wouldn't even put her in realms of sub 4 not just in terms of ability (you are talking being in about 3.43 1500m shape) but also in terms of providing a pacer, it took a world indoor 800m athlete to pace her to her 3.50.

By all accounts she's planning on attempting the WR over the mile after these Championships. 4:12 should be easily within her range.

shels4ever

Chivito550 wrote: »

By all accounts she's planning on attempting the WR over the mile after these Championships. 4:12 should be easily within her range.

If she doesn't run 4:08 if be shocked,

Myles Splitz

Chivito550 wrote: »

By all accounts she's planning on attempting the WR over the mile after these Championships. 4:12 should be easily within her range.

If she is in around 3.48-3.50 shape and not too fatigued by then I could see her being in the 4.09-4.12 range alright again having a pacer could be an issue for an end of season attempt (maybe one of the US who didn't make the team like Vessey who has been quite consistent this year or indeed Price)

Notwork Error

Myles Splitz wrote: »

Even with a 1.53/3.47 basis I wouldn't even put her in realms of sub 4 not just in terms of ability (you are talking being in about 3.43 1500m shape) but also in terms of providing a pacer, it took a world indoor 800m athlete to pace her to her 3.50.

Gave her credit for a better 1500m with her 5k endurance, thinking about 1:53/3:44-45ish, edited the post to close to after I thought about it. You're right but a 1:53 for a runner with her endurance wouldn't put her far off in my opinion if she could setup a race but then again, I don't see her ever running 1:53 so I don't know why I'm even bothering:pac:

Myles Splitz

Just to put it into context had a bit of a dig out of splits

2.01.97 close to her World Record
1.56.92 approx off 17 seconds slower paced race.

I would be very surprised if she had anything more than a 1.55 mid potential to be honest. Yes it was a devastating kick that made best milers in world look like marathoners in comparison (bar Hassan who actually closed nearly as quick)

Also interesting to note that Hassan competed in 800m earlier in year and barely broke 2.

Notwork Error

I think the bigger question here is what Chivito can run for 800 in the media race?

He'd want to represent the country well or else we'll have to have to send denners the next time:pac:

Myles Splitz

Notwork Error wrote: »

I think the bigger question here is what Chivito can run for 800 in the media race?

He'd want to represent the country well or else we'll have to have to send denners the next time:pac:

He not defending his medal this time around?

Chivito550

Notwork Error wrote: »

I think the bigger question here is what Chivito can run for 800 in the media race?

He'd want to represent the country well or else we'll have to have to send denners the next time:pac:

Haha. Both of us will be running. He's a shoe-in for gold. I'm hoping for a top 10, but I haven't ran a step (except between press conference and mixed zone and the stands) since Nationals!

rom

Sub 1:57 though a rolling start would be the best 800m time this year. I bet the rolling start and 700m kindof cancel each other out. I honestly think she should throw her hand at the 100 and 200 while she is at it.

Myles Splitz

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/pawel-fajdek-polish-champion-pays-taxi-fare-with-world-athletics-championship-hammer-gold-medal-after-getting-hammered-in-beijing-10470653.html

walshb

Nobody mentioned Greg Rutherford? True world class competitor. Proves that he's far from a 1 trick pony.

Chivito550

Thoughts on the prospects of the 3 Irish in action tomorrow? I think Reynolds is the only one with a chance of qualifying, looking at the heat draw.

Myles Splitz

Chivito550 wrote: »

Thoughts on the prospects of the 3 Irish in action tomorrow? I think Reynolds is the only one with a chance of qualifying, looking at the heat draw.

In terms of ability in relation to the field I would say that him and Everard will probably fair about the same though the qualification from the Hurdles is very soft so could sneak in.

Everard's heat is a tough enough one though I can't see the Cuban matching her earlier season form.

Proper definitely has the toughest task ahead of her with what I reckon are two of the medal hopefuls (Tarmoh and Okagbare) however its a good opportunity to hopefully achieve a PB that has been alluding her all season.

Skid X

walshb wrote: »

Nobody mentioned Greg Rutherford? True world class competitor. Proves that he's far from a 1 trick pony.

Delighted to see him getting another Gold. If you could bottle his ability to perform best when it matters most you would do well.

Dodge

PBs for Reynolds and Proper would qualify them for Rio. Reynolds was 0.01 off that in July

If they do that, it's a successful world champs for them

Stheno

Skid X wrote: »

Delighted to see him getting another Gold. If you could bottle his ability to perform best when it matters most you would do well.

Same here, I was delighted for him, really enjoyed the interview on the beeb with him at home, showing off his long jump pit in the garden.

robinph

Just saw the 2nd 5km heat and they seemed to be all over Mo trying to trip him up. He got tripped twice in the last 600m of the 10km, but in this 5km he seemed to be taking a minor stumble every lap as someone clipped his heels, then very nearly taken out completely on the final bend.

I'm sure it's not that he's suddenly forgotten how to run in a pack. Maybe they are trying to get him to lead off the pace early just to try and get away from them, nobody else seems to be able, or willing, to take on the pace in any race against him in an attempt to beat him.

the_real_lamp

Ciara Everard was last in her heat in 2.03.93. Never got into the race which was the second slowest of the heats.

Ben Reynolds was 7th in his heat in 13.72. 13.61 was enough to qualify as a fastest loser so he will be disappointed. Mentioned something about an injury in his interview.

the_real_lamp

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2015/08/26/sprinters-zakari-koki-in-doping-bust-claims/

Reports of two failed doping tests for Kenyan athletes, Zakari who ran 50.7 to break the 400m NR in her heat in Beijing is one of the reported positives.

Chivito550

So the media 800m takes place in Beijing tomorrow in the magnificent Bird's Nest Stadium. Since Nationals I have not run a single step, except the other day when literally running between press conference, mixed zone and stadium in quick succession, trying not to miss anything. I've been drinking a lot of beer too, so I'm lining the excuses up nicely. To be fair I've walked a lot on this trip. I covered 28km one day when doing the Forbidden City, so I'm sure I'm still in grand shape.

I've only run 2 800m races since I moved home from Australia a year and a half ago. One was a poor 2:19.70 in Zurich last year, and the other was a PB of 2:14.98 at Athlone indoors.

I was 19th at the World's in Moscow, and 10th in the Euros last year. I'm hoping for a top 10 but not sure how realistic it is. I've put 2:18 down as my estimated time and am hoping to be in the B heat, but I'm sure I'll get turfed in the A race with Denners who will drop a 1:55 or better.

The letsrun guys will be competing, rojo and wejo, so even with the absence of former Flotrack guys Alex and Ryan, the event should get good coverage hopefully.

Denners forgot to bring the damn Irish singlets so looks like I'll be running in my club colours tomorrow.

I'm currently enjoying a nice Tsingtao, in a bar on a hutong (narrow street) in Beijing. As you can see, I take this thing seriously.

akelly02

Did scheiperes win her 200m heat does anyone know?

Slow_Runner

akelly02 wrote: »

Did scheiperes win her 200m heat does anyone know?

She's running at 12:50
Kelly Proper up in a few minutes

Slow_Runner

Kelly Proper finishes 6th in 23:28

akelly02

Cheers may drive home extra fast so!

Pherekydes

Bizarre! Veronica Campbell-Brown ran the whole straight in her neighbour's lane!

Surely a DQ.

Slow_Runner

Pherekydes wrote: »

Bizarre! Veronica Campbell-Brown ran the whole straight in her neighbour's lane!

Surely a DQ.

Has to be - unreal mistake at that level

Pherekydes

She was completely unaware that she had drifted into the other lane.

walshb

Pherekydes wrote: »

Bizarre! Veronica Campbell-Brown ran the whole straight in her neighbour's lane!

Surely a DQ.

Did she impede the neighbor? Has that rule got some discretion?

Pherekydes

walshb wrote: »

Did she impede the neighbor? Has that rule got some discretion?

She might get away with it because the Brit also qualified.

Chivito550

Yego is some beast! 92.72!

robinph

Pherekydes wrote: »

She might get away with it because the Brit also qualified.

...and she also said something about using her to follow in, presumably in the immediate post race interview, before getting properly de-briefed so didn't think she was being impeded in her first thoughts.

Chivito550

That Greek pole vaulter is a scary looking woman. That's all I'll say on the matter!

walshb

Pherekydes wrote: »

She might get away with it because the Brit also qualified.

Disqualify the Brit for using an illegal slipstream!