Male rape is funny, according to New York Post

MakeEmLaugh

Jared Fogle, who appeared in many ads for Subway in the United States, has been convicted of possessing child pornography, as well as paying for sex with minors.

By all accounts, a disgusting man.

However, should the New York Post really be joking about him being raped in prison? Their headline was "Enjoy a foot long in Jail".

More men are raped than woman in the whole of the United States, when one takes into account prison rapes.

In 2013, the Department of Justice in the US released figures that showed that 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.

Fogle may be an atrocious human being, but men being raped in prison is not something about which a national newspaper should be joking.

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Wabbit Ears

fcuk that guy, child molesting scum.

I only discovered that statistic for rape in prisons recently and it horrifies me that it isn't discussed more.

Timberrrrrrrr

Hopefully he gets EVERYTHING he deserves and more.

Beefy78

I'm surprised at the shock... He was well known for trying to get into small pants.

Beefy78

I feel like I've let myself down.

HardenendMan

People often make light of prison rape - "don't drop the soap" etc. The reality is that the prison rapists are animals. Actually that is insulting to animals. No rational person can condone the torture that they inflict.

But what are people's views on the rape of men where a woman is the rapist? Does this occur at all? I can't imagine how it can with the exception of disabled men. Am I wrong?

hatrickpatrick

This link belongs in the "Is the west anti-men" thread. Perfect example of one of the most egregious double standards in modern society.

Nodin

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

Jared Fogle, who appeared in many ads for Subway in the United States, has been convicted of possessing child pornography, as well as paying for sex with minors.

By all accounts, a disgusting man.

However, should the New York Post really be joking about him being raped in prison? Their headline was "Enjoy a foot long in Jail".

,,,,,,,,,,,,,

"Tabloid Rag Acting Like Tabloid Rag Shock".

bee06

"HardenendMan wrote: »

But what are people's views on the rape of men where a woman is the rapist? Does this occur at all? I can't imagine how it can with the exception of disabled men. Am I wrong?

Yes, it can and does happen. I don't see why it should be considered different to any other rape but I would imagine it's hugely under reported because the victim would think no one would believe him.

Penny Tration

HardenendMan wrote: »

People often make light of prison rape - "don't drop the soap" etc. The reality is that the prison rapists are animals. Actually that is insulting to animals. No rational person can condone the torture that they inflict.

But what are people's views on the rape of men where a woman is the rapist? Does this occur at all? I can't imagine how it can with the exception of disabled men. Am I wrong?

You're wrong. It can happen fairly easily.

Fear can cause an erection.

Physical stimulation, unwanted or not, can cause an erection. Similar to how some women can orgasm through rape because of the physical stimulation.

As for the OP - that's a horribly crass post. Yeah, the guy is an absolute scumbag and his crimes are vile, but to joke about him being raped? There would be a massive outcry if the same were said about a woman. It's horrible that rape on a male victim is seen as a lesser crime than rape on a female, in some peoples' eyes.

ceadaoin.

I've seen the same sentiment expressed on here many times on threads about rapists or murderers. I think it's easier for people to ignore the actual reality of rape when it involves someone particularly repugnant.

The NY Post is a rag anyway but that headline is in very poor taste.

Wright

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

Jared Fogle, who appeared in many ads for Subway in the United States, has been convicted of possessing child pornography, as well as paying for sex with minors.

By all accounts, a disgusting man.

However, should the New York Post really be joking about him being raped in prison? Their headline was "Enjoy a foot long in Jail".

More men are raped than woman in the whole of the United States, when one takes into account prison rapes.

In 2013, the Department of Justice in the US released figures that showed that 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.

Fogle may be an atrocious human being, but men being raped in prison is not something about which a national newspaper should be joking.

Here

Geez. I thought this was going to be a fake outrage, mens rights thread judging by the title. Nope. That is a straight up not ok thing to put in a newspaper.

volchitsa

Of course it's not ok for a newspaper to print this sort of stuff - but it's the New York Post, people. What do you expect? They make a living out of their reputation for shocking headlines. They announced a brutal murder with a huge front page asking "who didn't want him dead?" and a very negative article about him, calling him a millionaire Hasidic slum landlord.

The reason for this headline is the same reason for the negative coverage of Max Stark (the murdered landlord) : it's an eye for an eye approach to justice. Everyone here who has ever posted that such and such a murderer deserves to be killed is doing exactly the same thing.

super_furry

It's a nasty headline but it's par for the course. The NY Post is the US equivalent of The Sun or the Daily Mail and we all know the kind of crap they print.

frostyjacks

I admit, I found it funny. I don't think it's making light of prison rape though, just having a good laugh at a scumbag.

cerastes

Nodin wrote: »

"Tabloid Rag Acting Like Tabloid Rag Shock".

So you think its acceptable?
The person might be despicable, but condoning something similar in retribution? that's somehow not as sick?

the dark phantom

The worst piece of paper on the east coast
Matter of fact the whole state's forty cents
in New York City fifty cents elsewhere
It makes no goddamn sense at all
America's oldest continuously published daily piece of bull****

Buona Fortuna

Deleted User wrote: »

I only discovered that statistic for rape in prisons recently and it horrifies me that it isn't discussed more.

Fcuk that, I'm paying my water bill right now.

No one's getting this peachy ass.

PucaMama

Yeah it's wrong but it's about a scumbag who deserves the worst the world can give him.

cerastes

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

fcuk that guy, child molesting scum.

Is that half a joke?

the dark phantom wrote: »

The worst piece of paper on the east coast
Matter of fact the whole state's forty cents
in New York City fifty cents elsewhere
It makes no goddamn sense at all
America's oldest continuously published daily piece of bull****

It does look like a rag, but they are practically condoning rape by convicted criminals, of any convicted person?
Who better to mete out punishment than other criminals???
possibly cheaper than toilet paper, because its already smeared in ****

the dark phantom

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Fcuk that, I'm paying my water bill right now.

No one's getting this peachy ass.

Our most notorious prison rapist is long well dead, Anthony the beast Cawley.

Turtwig

Kids tv shows, main stream comedies and comedians have all made jail rape jokes. It's one of those things that's deemed culturally acceptable when it clearly fcking shouldn't.

As for the gender issue here, what a fcking strawman!

bodhrandude

HardenendMan wrote: »

People often make light of prison rape - "don't drop the soap" etc. The reality is that the prison rapists are animals. Actually that is insulting to animals. No rational person can condone the torture that they inflict.

But what are people's views on the rape of men where a woman is the rapist? Does this occur at all? I can't imagine how it can with the exception of disabled men. Am I wrong?

I remember a story back in the 1990s in the Glasgow Evening Times newspaper about some poor guy who was caught by a female gang in Balanark, in Glasgow's East End and who was subjected to rape and a gang bang.

My name is URL

Turtwig wrote: »

As for the gender issue here, what a fcking strawman!

Especially considering that it's almost always men making jokes about the subject

wnolan1992

Jail rape is considered acceptable because we like to believe that everyone in prison is a horrific monster like that serial killers portrayed on the CSIs and Law and Orders of the world. Far easier to just write it off as added punishment for their crimes rather than face what it actually is.

This is doubly the case when it comes to child molesters. How often have we seen it in TV shows where the police will actually use the threat of sending the paedophile to prison to be gang raped as coercion into to getting a confession? The audience is expected to see this as some sort of righteous act.

greenfrogs

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I've seen the same sentiment expressed on here many times on threads about rapists or murderers. I think it's easier for people to ignore the actual reality of rape when it involves someone particularly repugnant.

The NY Post is a rag anyway but that headline is in very poor taste.

It's a sentiment that doesn't even make sense. What about the person who commits the rape. Are they good or bad because the victim is considered a scumbag??

Rape is disgusting. I mean jails are meant to protect inmates from one another.Rape in prisons shouldn't happen. Are the perpetrators brought to justice or is it brushed under the carpet?

questionmark?

A part of me says the headline is wrong and rape against a man or woman is not to be laughed at but in his case I am finding it hard to feel outraged at what's awaiting him. To me the worst crime is child rape/porn.

whatdoicare

Yeah, I'm confused - did I read that right? That scumbag raped/molested children? And people here are up in arms that he might get raped and that a newspaper made light of it?

Children, small people that shouldn't know about sex, that can't defend themselves, that most likely were hurt during the process and are probably still hurting mentally - He did that and people here are worried about that bastards feelings??

What the actual ****.

wnolan1992

whatdoicare wrote: »

Yeah, I'm confused - did I read that right? That scumbag raped/molested children? And people here are up in arms that he might get raped and that a newspaper made light of it?

Children, small people that shouldn't know about sex, that can't defend themselves, that most likely were hurt during the process and are probably still hurting mentally - He did that and people here are worried about that bastards feelings??

What the actual ****.

Why bother imprison him? Let's just stone him to death!


"Ah come on, that's insane. That's how them crazy Sharia Law countries enforce their laws. We wouldn't want that here... let's just send him to prison and hope he gets raped. That way, we can act like we're so progressive and civilised, but in actuality we lust for blood just as much as those middle eastern countries we look down on."

My name is URL

questionmark? wrote: »

A part of me says the headline is wrong and rape against a man or woman is not to be laughed at but in his case I am finding it hard to feel outraged at what's awaiting him. To me the worst crime is child rape/porn.

Do you make no distinction between the two?

Is watching a video of someone get murdered just the same as murdering someone?

I never heard of the guy in question before this thread, but as far as I can see the only person he's been convicted of having sex with was 17 years of age at the time.

greenfrogs

whatdoicare wrote: »

Yeah, I'm confused - did I read that right? That scumbag raped/molested children? And people here are up in arms that he might get raped and that a newspaper made light of it?

Children, small people that shouldn't know about sex, that can't defend themselves, that most likely were hurt during the process and are probably still hurting mentally - He did that and people here are worried about that bastards feelings??

What the actual ****.

I don't think he did rape children. He had indecent images of children and he paid underage teenage girls for sex. Not a nice guy by any means.

Just Detention International is a charity that strives to halt the sexual abuse of prisoners, male, female and juvenile. It is an international organisation and a 4* charity as determined by Charity Navigator.

http://www.justdetention.org/en/mission_statement.aspx

JDI advocates for the safety and well-being of all inmates, whether they are confined in federal, state, or local facilities -- both private and public -- including prisons, jails, juvenile facilities, immigration detention centers, halfway houses, and police lock-ups. JDI works to: hold government officials accountable for prisoner rape; promote public attitudes that value the dignity and safety of inmates; and ensure that survivors of this violence have access to the help they need.

I have had the pleasure of being associated with JDI, and would urge anyone interested in doing more than complaining about prison rape on the internet to make a donation so they can continue their challenging, often thankless, but very important work.

greenfrogs

greenfrogs wrote: »

I don't think he did rape children. He had indecent images of children and he paid underage teenage girls for sex. Not a nice guy by any means.

Underage teenage girls ARE children. Not small children, but still children.

ETA: I really don't get the attitude 'Rape is really, really wrong. I hope he gets raped' Rape shouldn't and isn't part of the punishment meted out by courts, and in a civilised society, it never will be.

DeadHand

whatdoicare wrote: »

Yeah, I'm confused - did I read that right? That scumbag raped/molested children? And people here are up in arms that he might get raped and that a newspaper made light of it?

Children, small people that shouldn't know about sex, that can't defend themselves, that most likely were hurt during the process and are probably still hurting mentally - He did that and people here are worried about that bastards feelings??

What the actual ****.

I think it's not so much the headline or sentiment itself as the clear double standard that people are animated about. If a similar headline was written about a female under any circumstance the Internet would collapse in righteous fury irregardless of how repellent the woman was.

volchitsa

Candie wrote: »

Underage teenage girls ARE children. Not small children, but still children.

Also, "child porn" is one of the most inaccurate expressions in common use, IMO. They are images of child abuse, sometimes horrific child abuse, and people who buy them are directly or indirectly inciting that abuse.

Can someone who pays to watch someone being raped claim innocence because they didn't actually commit the rape? (Not that I'm condoning the sentiment that the NYP has expressed - but to my mind it's very like people saying a murderer should be hanged, or worse.)

volchitsa

volchitsa wrote: »

Also, "child porn" is one of the most inaccurate expressions in common use, IMO. They are images of child abuse, sometimes horrific child abuse, and people who buy them are directly or indirectly inciting that abuse.

Can someone who pays to watch someone being raped claim innocence because they didn't actually commit the rape? (Not that I'm condoning the sentiment that the NYP has expressed - but to my mind it's very like people saying a murderer should be hanged, or worse.)

It's like saying you weren't involved in a shooting as all you did was load the gun and point it at the victim, but someone elses finger was on the trigger. Watching CP creates the market, and kids are horrifically abused to satisfy the demands. The consumer, as in all commerce, dictates the market.

I can't understand the glee people express at prison abuse, it's piling wrongs on top of wrongs, like the death penalty as you say.

whatdoicare

DeadHand wrote: »

I think it's not so much the headline or sentiment itself as the clear double standard that people are animated about. If a similar headline was written about a female under any circumstance the Internet would collapse in righteous fury irregardless of how repellent the woman was.

I'd be just as angry and hoping they got what was coming to them if it was a woman. Anyone that hurts a child or helps hurt a child deserves horrible things to happen to them.

It's not the crime that matters - nobody is denying that what he did was vile and disgusting but if it were a female paedophile, then there would be many groups crying bloody murder about it.

greenfrogs

DeadHand wrote: »

I think it's not so much the headline or sentiment itself as the clear double standard that people are animated about. If a similar headline was written about a female under any circumstance the Internet would collapse in righteous fury irregardless of how repellent the woman was.

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not the crime that matters - nobody is denying that what he did was vile and disgusting but if it were a female paedophile, then there would be many groups crying bloody murder about it.

Why is this topic always brought up. Oh if this was said about a woman there would be outrage. Do you actually have concrete evidence of this?

Severard

As disgusting as a person he is he was already sentenced for his crime. Rape is a terrible act to inflict on anyone. For the people who are enraged at what he did with children to then be quite happy at the prospect of him being raped in turn shows shocking levels of hypocrisy. He should definitely serve his time in full and on top of that I would like to see him be forced to do hard labour but raping him is not right.

Samaris

DeadHand wrote: »

I think it's not so much the headline or sentiment itself as the clear double standard that people are animated about. If a similar headline was written about a female under any circumstance the Internet would collapse in righteous fury irregardless of how repellent the woman was.

Tbh, as a female, I find that thoroughly sickening as a headline. Rape isn't funny, for males or females. It's not an appropriate punishment for a crime, and it's not something to gloat about either.

greenfrogs

Candie wrote: »

Underage teenage girls ARE children. Not small children, but still children.

Yes that is true.

whatdoicare wrote: »

Children, small people that shouldn't know about sex, that can't defend themselves, that most likely were hurt during the process and are probably still hurting mentally - He did that and people here are worried about that bastards feelings??

What the actual ****.

I was responding to this poster who said that children shouldn't know about sex. The youngest person I could see that he had sex with was 16 years old who he paid. A 16 year old would know about sex. It is still a crime of course.

DeadHand

greenfrogs wrote: »

Why is this topic always brought up. Oh if this was said about a woman there would be outrage. Do you actually have concrete evidence of this?

Have you ever been on the internet?

Certain elements within feminism get outraged over t-shirts, video games, song lyrics, the behavior of fictional characters and innocuous jokes.

Not much imagination is required to predict how these elements would react to a headline gloating about the likely future rape of a woman.

frostyjacks

I'd be worried about people who read this much into a tabloid headline. They're just having a laugh at this guy's expense, no harm in it.

Penny Tration

frostyjacks wrote: »

I'd be worried about people who read this much into a tabloid headline. They're just having a laugh at this guy's expense, no harm in it.

I don't see anyone reading too much into it. People are just saying it's a pretty bloody nasty "joke" to make. Rape jokes are not funny.

greenfrogs

DeadHand wrote: »

Have you ever been on the internet?

Certain elements within feminism get outraged over t-shirts, video games, song lyrics, the behavior of fictional characters and innocuous jokes.

Not much imagination is required to predict how these elements would react to a headline gloating about the likely future rape of a woman.

Like I said concrete evidence, not use of my imagination...

DeadHand

whatdoicare wrote: »

I'd be just as angry and hoping they got what was coming to them if it was a woman. Anyone that hurts a child or helps hurt a child deserves horrible things to happen to them.

That's understandable, but emotion has no place in justice or lawmaking.

Once we, as a society, begin using rape as a punishment for rape we cease being a civilised society. The lines between us and the rapists blur until we are all reduced to the same level. Once we are- what is the difference?

Penny Tration

If rape is an acceptable punishment for the crime of rape (as some are saying they're hoping it'll happen to him), where does that end? The guy who rapes the child rapist - he's now a rapist too, so needs to be raped as punishment. So he's raped by guy number three, who is now also a rapist who needs to be punished by rape. Where does it end?


I hate what the man did. I think rapists and child abusers are the biggest scum on this planet.

But raping them? What does that achieve, aside from physical and emotional pain? It's not going to rehabilitate them, it's not going to stop them from raping again if they're ever released. It has zero purpose and just makes another rapist of someone.

volchitsa

DeadHand wrote: »

Have you ever been on the internet?

Certain elements within feminism get outraged over t-shirts, video games, song lyrics, the behavior of fictional characters and innocuous jokes.

Not much imagination is required to predict how these elements would react to a headline gloating about the likely future rape of a woman.

Imagination is what it is all the same. When Vanessa George, a nursery nurse, was convicted of sex abuse of the children she had charge of, the Internet was awash with people regretting that she was in a female prison and therefore perceived as being at less risk of rape than a male abuser. And the parents are calling for her to be skinned and rolled in salt in this article : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217415/Nursery-worker-Vanessa-George-internet-accomplices-plead-guilty-sexually-assaulting-young-children.html

People are also forgetting the U.S. constitutional protection of press freedom, which means stuff that wouldn't get through in the UK or Ireland is perfectly legal over there, however unpleasant.

So enough of this "it wouldn't happen to a woman" - yes it bloody would, and it's sheer cognitive dissonance when you use your "imagination" to remake reality so it conforms to your beliefs.

DeadHand

greenfrogs wrote: »

Like I said concrete evidence, not use of my imagination...

The concrete evidence is in the well documented feminist outrage over relative nonsense. From this we can extrapolate what the reaction to a genuinely nasty headline like this would be from the same quarters were the target female.

If you're incapable of abstract thought I'm afraid I can't explain this to you.