GW 4 Transfer Thread (adios Rooney gu'lad)

FHFC

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Lads I'd stick a couple past this Brugge outfit. Absolutely woeful stuff. Hold your horses on Rooney for a while.

As a wise man once said. Welbeck got a hattrick at this stage of this competition last year.

jive

ScummyMan wrote: »

I know that, but this is what Rooney does, he's scores in spurts. I think you'd be naive not to have him in there for the next few games, especially when no other striker has been lighting the league up.

He's looked like absolute crap in the league he can't just flick a switch. Scott sinclair got a hat trick as well. The standard of teams have to be taken into account as well as the circumstances, Brugge had to go balls to the wall tonight to make up for the first leg.

Dr. Bre

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Interesting to see if Herrera keeps that number 10 spot for United. Could be a great option at 6.8m.

doesnt get enough goals or assists. wouldn't touch him

Lucas Hood

Dr. Bre wrote: »

doesnt get enough goals or assists. wouldn't touch him

Cool don't think he'd like you touching him anyway.

sheroman01

Fcuk Rooney. Going nowhere near my lovely new shiny perfect team.

Deco99

ScummyMan wrote: »

Hmmm to bring in Rooney or not...

Not. Definitely not. The only debate has been for those with him already.

Big Borg

shineon23 wrote: »

I'll be holding off on Rooney until United start tearing teams apart in the league.

Well, I guess you're bringing Rooney in today.

zarquon

So Liam Brady reckons that United dodged a bullet in not signing Pedro. With Dunphy also reckoning that Depay wouldn't get a game at city it looks i'm going to have to tear up my transfer plans. Dunphy had something slightly positive to say about Yaya too so i'm glad i went with Silva

shineon23

Big Borg wrote: »

Well, I guess you're bringing Rooney in today.

Nope, last time Club Brugges I checked don't ply their trade in the English Premier League.

He didn't score against Villa or Newcastle which I'd say are similar/slightly worse in standard to Brugges,
and got a very lucky assist against a Spurs team who haven't taken off yet themselves.

He could be a good differential but he's too much of a risk at his price point at the minute for me, as United aren't scoring for fun in the League.

Lemlin

shineon23 wrote: »

I'll be holding off on Rooney until United start tearing teams apart in the league.

Realistically what's the standard of the Belgian League like?

The ninth league by European coefficient standards. It pushed the Dutch down to tenth this year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Country_coefficient

Lemlin

zarquon wrote: »

So Liam Brady reckons that United dodged a bullet in not signing Pedro. With Dunphy also reckoning that Depay wouldn't get a game at city it looks i'm going to have to tear up my transfer plans. Dunphy had something slightly positive to say about Yaya too so i'm glad i went with Silva

It was City reserves Dunphy said. Depay definitely wouldn't get a game in City first team

shineon23 wrote: »

Nope, last time Club Brugges I checked don't ply their trade in the English Premier League.

He didn't score against Villa or Newcastle which I'd say are similar/slightly worse in standard to Brugges,
and got a very lucky assist against a Spurs team who haven't taken off yet themselves.

He could be a good differential but he's too much of a risk at his price point at the minute for me, as United aren't scoring for fun in the League.

I think Busts put it best yesterday when he said it's been a long time since we've seen a viable long term attacking United player in FF.

shano_88

FHFC wrote: »

As a wise man once said. Welbeck got a hattrick at this stage of this competition last year.

Welbeck wasn't even at a champions league club for this stage last year!

PARlance

shano_88 wrote: »

Welbeck wasn't even at a champions league club for this stage last year!

Nice shout. He didn't sign until nearer the deadline.

PARlance

Lemlin wrote: »

I think Busts put it best yesterday when he said it's been a long time since we've seen a viable long term attacking United player in FF.

Rooney has averaged more than 6 points per game, nearly 7, in 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Last season being the dip where he played very deep... doesn't look like he'll be back there soon unless a major signing is made.

He's not on my near radar at present but he is a FPL points getter and he doesn't get the credit he deserves on here imo. I think it was iroced that had a very good post comparing his stats vs Aguero's last year and it surprised a quite a few (including myself).

zarquon

Rooney has regressed as a player and does not work well in this new united system as much as he did in previous seasons. An average of 6 points per game is still not good value for money for a 10.4 striker. Bear in mind he has lost penalties which will affect his PPG.

I just had a look at Aguero's stats vs Rooney last season and they are not comparable at all

Here is a snapshot below of their main stats in comparison to one another. It is fair to say that Aguero offers better value at 13.0 than Rooney at 10.4

Rooney Aguero
Starts: 33 Starts: 30
Time Played: 3019 Time Played: 2642
Appearances: 33 Appearances: 33
Sub Off: 4 Sub Off: 12
Goals: 12 Goals: 26
Assists: 5 Assists: 8

Penalty Area Touches: 122 Penalty Area Touches: 278

Goals Goals

Goals: 12 Goals: 26
In Box: 11 In Box: 25
Out Box: 1 Out Box: 1
Headed Goals: 1 Headed Goals: 1
Goals From Penalties: 1 Goals From Penalties: 5
Mins Per Goal: 251.6 Mins Per Goal: 101.6

Attempts Attempts

Goal Attempts: 79 Goal Attempts: 148
Goal Attempts In Box: 43 Goal Attempts In Box: 117
Headed Goal Attempts: 12 Headed Goal Attempts: 12
Blocked Shots: 26 Blocked Shots: 34
Shots On Target: 27 Shots On Target: 61
Mins Per Attempt: 38.2 Mins Per Attempt: 17.9

Conversion Conversion

Shot Accuracy: 34.2 Shot Accuracy: 41.2
Goal Conversion: 15.2 Goal Conversion: 17.6

Assist Potential Assist Potential

Through Balls: 15 Through Balls: 4
Chances Created: 45 Chances Created: 33
Assists: 5 Assists: 8
Mins Per Chance Created: 67.1 Mins Per Chance Created: 80.1

Cypher_sounds

zarquon wrote: »

Rooney has regressed as a player and does not work well in this new united system as much as he did in previous seasons. An average of 6 points per game is still not good value for money for a 10.4 striker. Bear in mind he has lost penalties which will affect his PPG.

I just had a look at Aguero's stats vs Rooney last season and they are not comparable at all

Here is a snapshot below of their main stats in comparison to one another. It is fair to say that Aguero offers better value at 13.0 than Rooney at 10.4

Rooney Aguero
Starts: 33 Starts: 30
Time Played: 3019 Time Played: 2642
Appearances: 33 Appearances: 33
Sub Off: 4 Sub Off: 12
Goals: 12 Goals: 26
Assists: 5 Assists: 8

Penalty Area Touches: 122 Penalty Area Touches: 278

Goals Goals

Goals: 12 Goals: 26
In Box: 11 In Box: 25
Out Box: 1 Out Box: 1
Headed Goals: 1 Headed Goals: 1
Goals From Penalties: 1 Goals From Penalties: 5
Mins Per Goal: 251.6 Mins Per Goal: 101.6

Attempts Attempts

Goal Attempts: 79 Goal Attempts: 148
Goal Attempts In Box: 43 Goal Attempts In Box: 117
Headed Goal Attempts: 12 Headed Goal Attempts: 12
Blocked Shots: 26 Blocked Shots: 34
Shots On Target: 27 Shots On Target: 61
Mins Per Attempt: 38.2 Mins Per Attempt: 17.9

Conversion Conversion

Shot Accuracy: 34.2 Shot Accuracy: 41.2
Goal Conversion: 15.2 Goal Conversion: 17.6

Assist Potential Assist Potential

Through Balls: 15 Through Balls: 4
Chances Created: 45 Chances Created: 33
Assists: 5 Assists: 8
Mins Per Chance Created: 67.1 Mins Per Chance Created: 80.1

All those stats don't mean much at all this season.
Rooney played much of last season in midfield.

The big problem so far for Rooney is he hasn't gotten much ball to attack to score goals. He scored a legit goal on Saturday wrongly ruled offside but apart from that I can't remember a chance that he has missed simply because no one is creating any chances for him.

PARlance

You'll have to look hard to find anyone who would try to compare Rooney with Aguero last year. And it's not a Rooney vs/or Aguero thing.

My point was that it isn't too long since United had an attacking force. For the previous 2 seasons he averaged more than 6 points per game. If you wouldn't pay 10.4m for 6+ per game then fair enough... Given that they remained fit, you're looking at 200+ points. I certainly would pay it.

Funnily enough, he had 10 points in the bag by HT in GW4 last year... And Busts who doesn't think United have had an attacking force in years captained RVP.... a lot can change in football in a short time... I wouldn't dismiss Rooney just yet.
(Was trying to find iroced post when GW4 from last year popped up)

iroced

PARlance wrote: »

He's not on my near radar at present but he is a FPL points getter and he doesn't get the credit he deserves on here imo. I think it was iroced that had a very good post comparing his stats vs Aguero's last year and it surprised a quite a few (including myself).

Don't think I posted the original one but I did refer to it a couple of times.
But LVG system doesn't seem to suit him as well as Fergie one. The team around him is also weaker. He plays deeper.

I bigged him up for their home game vs Newcastle (despite selling him for Aguero). If he can't do it against them, there's no FPL reason to keep him for their tougher run. Of course tonight's game would have boosted his confidence. Of course he could hit a hot streak. Because he's a world class player. But FPL wise now he's not worth it. He'd be using too much budget for his returns.

PARlance

iroced wrote: »

Don't think I posted the original one but I did refer to it a couple of times.
But LVG system doesn't seem to suit him as well as Fergie one. The team around him is also weaker. He plays deeper.

I bigged him up for their home game vs Newcastle (despite selling him for Aguero). If he can't do it against them, there's no FPL reason to keep him for their tougher run. Of course tonight's game would have boosted his confidence. Of course he could hit a hot streak. Because he's a world class player. But FPL wise now he's not worth it. He'd be using too much budget for his returns.

I think it's very early to dismiss him. Time will tell how he and United do. It's only 2 weeks since he was topping capt polls and netting me 10 precious points.

He's not on my radar at all at present and I agree re budget (he wouldn't been in my team if Aguero was fit GW1) but I'm fairly sure he'll hit form and be considered throughout the year.

Lemlin

PARlance wrote: »

Rooney has averaged more than 6 points per game, nearly 7, in 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Last season being the dip where he played very deep... doesn't look like he'll be back there soon unless a major signing is made.

He's not on my near radar at present but he is a FPL points getter and he doesn't get the credit he deserves on here imo. I think it was iroced that had a very good post comparing his stats vs Aguero's last year and it surprised a quite a few (including myself).

I had this discussion about Rooney in a previous season, either last year or the season before.

The problem with him is that he's always been overpriced. Bar one season where he was fantastic until February/March, I've never consistently had him in my team because there were always better alternatives available who provided greater value for money e.g. Drogba, Tevez, RVP, Ade, Yakubu.

shano_88 wrote: »

Welbeck wasn't even at a champions league club for this stage last year!

I think the point I originally made re Wellbeck still stands though. I wouldn't read too much into a striker scoring a hat trick against a team from a poor European league.

Iused2likebusts

PARlance wrote: »

You'll have to look hard to find anyone who would try to compare Rooney with Aguero last year. And it's not a Rooney vs/or Aguero thing.

My point was that it isn't too long since United had an attacking force. For the previous 2 seasons he averaged more than 6 points per game. If you wouldn't pay 10.4m for 6+ per game then fair enough... Given that they remained fit, you're looking at 200+ points. I certainly would pay it.

Funnily enough, he had 10 points in the bag by HT in GW4 last year... And Busts who doesn't think United have had an attacking force in years captained RVP.... a lot can change in football in a short time... I wouldn't dismiss Rooney just yet.
(Was trying to find iroced post when GW4 from last year popped up)

I said in the post fergie era which is the last 2 seasons;). Rooney in 2013/2014 had a decent FF season but I wouldnt class him as a viable option that year. He was priced at 11 or 11.5. The 2nd or 3rd most expensive player in the game. Suarez was a must have and sturridge delivered more points in less minutes for 2 million less. Midfielders like yaya and hazard outscored him and then there was the likes of ade going on a great run after sherwood took over. Dzeko also had a great run for city that year. IMO Rooney didnt offer value for money that year. If I recall he went on a good run leading up to xmas when a bandwagon kicked in only for him to be troubled by a groin injury over the xmas period.
Last year there was no consistency from any Utd player from an FF perspective bar ADM in the first 6-8 weeks. The goals were fairly spread out and each time one of their players got a decent run going by the time you moved to them it had stopped and another one of their options was getting the points.
This year I think because of the way the past 2 seasons have gone Utd players are priced well. However bar a 4-6 week spell last season when Utd beat Spurs, liverpool and city and looked really good from an attacking sense they just havent looked like scoring enough goals. Id be far more comfortable having city, chelsea and arsenal attackers.
If they can get their attack functioning properly Id be very keen on both mata and depay. Mata I think is great value but I feel he needs to be played centrally and Im not sure LVG is convinced by him.
On Rooney Id consider him if they start firing and he is on penos which I think he is. An interview with LVG last night indicated to me that rooney was on pens.
Oh ye and VOTE HAZARD:D

FHFC

I posted pre season a quote from alan shearer who said he had been speaking to Rooney who had said he was back on penalties this season.

Iused2likebusts

FHFC wrote: »

I posted pre season a quote from alan shearer who said he had been speaking to Rooney who had said he was back on penalties this season.

Ye I remember that and lvg was asked about rooney giving up the chance to score a 4th last nite by not taking the pen. I can't remember his exact response but it indicated to me that rooney was the pen taker.

zarquon

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Ye I remember that and lvg was asked about rooney giving up the chance to score a 4th last nite by not taking the pen. I can't remember his exact response but it indicated to me that rooney was the pen taker.

He said it was very generous of him to give the penalty to Hernandez and was a sign of a sign of a good captain trying to help his team mate.

Iused2likebusts

zarquon wrote: »

He said it was very generous of him to give the penalty to Hernandez and was a sign of a sign of a good captain trying to help his team mate.

Would u think that means he is on pens.

Backstreet Moyes

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Would u think that means he is on pens.

Mata will take penalties.

zarquon

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Would u think that means he is on pens.

It certainly means he is first choice when Mata is not on the pitch. Mata was given penalties last year due to Rooney's poor record and it remains to be seen if this is still the case.

There has been some talk that United actually have a rotation now for penalty takers but this has not been verified

loadwire

After a bit of faffing around I've gone Young -> Westwood (FT)

Not entirely happy with my team but don't see much point in doing a -4 or -8 just before the break so probably going to leave it as is, even with 1.8m in the bank.

AdMMM

Think I'm going to just settle with Puncheon -> Mahrez with my free transfer.

Puncheon was trucking along nicely for points, but Mahrez offers a slight bit more and also has the advantage of upward trajectory in value that can be banked if he hits a poor run of form later.

Looking at my team, if I don't have a good week this week, I may as well give up. No players up against each other and favourable match ups (with exception of maybe Ayew and Gomis). It looks as if the stars are aligned for me....

Obviously going to have a terrible week so!

CSF

loadwire wrote: »

After a bit of faffing around I've gone Young -> Westwood (FT)

Not entirely happy with my team but don't see much point in doing a -4 or -8 just before the break so probably going to leave it as is, even with 1.8m in the bank.

I'd be considering Cameron for the starting lineup ahead of Sakho. West Brom are anything but potent goal scorers.

loadwire

CSF wrote: »

I'd be considering Cameron for the starting lineup ahead of Sakho. West Brom are anything but potent goal scorers.

Yeah I did have that earlier, may well change back. Partly for the reason you give and also for the fact that I keep benching the wrong bloody defenders - have missed Ward and Francis' big scores.

Ziegler1988

It doesn't look promising for Mertesacker anyway, he isn't training

Swiper the fox

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

It doesn't look promising for Mertesacker anyway, he isn't training

Balls, that will be my transfer this week in that case, could work out alright as the world is my oyster with a bit of money in the bank and a wildcard in the next couple of weeks, Kolorov is jumping out at me, are we assuming at this stage that Clichy will be a cup player or is there still a risk of occasional rotation?
I'm way out of the loop this year for a few reasons, gonna have to up my game or I'll be a serious also ran, haven't looked at anything except this forum since the year started, everything else is gone from my frequently visited sites:P

CSF

Swiper the fox wrote: »

Balls, that will be my transfer this week in that case, could work out alright as the world is my oyster with a bit of money in the bank and a wildcard in the next couple of weeks, Kolorov is jumping out at me, are we assuming at this stage that Clichy will be a cup player or is there still a risk of occasional rotation?
I'm way out of the loop this year for a few reasons, gonna have to up my game or I'll be a serious also ran, haven't looked at anything except this forum since the year started, everything else is gone from my frequently visited sites:P

Wouldn't even claim to know how the LB rotation will work, would maintain Kolarov is worth the risk until I see otherwise though.

Morzadec

Looking to play my WC after this GW so looking to take a one-time punt on a midfielder under 7.5 for this GW only.

Who would you go for?

Shaqiri (wba H)
Navas ( Watford H )
Mahrez ( Bournemouth a )
Chadli (Everton H)

Or any other suggestions?

lougal88

Morzadec wrote: »

Looking to play my WC after this GW so looking to take a one-time punt on a midfielder under 7.5 for this GW only.

Who would you go for?

Shaqiri (wba H)
Navas ( Watford H )
Mahrez ( Bournemouth a )
Chadli (Everton H)

Or any other suggestions?

I'd go for Shaqiri. He looked very good last week and West Brom are uncharacteristically shaky in defence

podgemonster

Think i'll bench Coleman this week. Don't think they'll keep a clean sheet.
Might play my swansea defender given uniteds poor scoring record.

This is based on nothing but speculation, but I've a fear that Kolarov will be rotated this week given it is Watford.

Thinking about banking this week as to get Pedro in would mean a -4, which might be fine, but I don't really want to change any other part of my team right now.

Ziegler1988

Dónal wrote: »

This is based on nothing but speculation, but I've a fear that Kolarov will be rotated this week given it is Watford.

Thinking about banking this week as to get Pedro in would mean a -4, which might be fine, but I don't really want to change any other part of my team right now.

Doesn't historically Kolarov get the easier matches anyway since Clichy is better defensively? Pellegrini would be mental to rotate the side the way they're playing, there are plenty of League Cup and easy CL matches to come

Colking

I am currently considering something and would appreciate your thoughts on the matter

This is my -4 Points Team at the moment for GW4




I am not happy with Southampton and with Pelle's contribution so far and was thinking of swapping him out for Diouf of Stoke.

Diouf is likely to rise by 0.1 before Saturday. Pelle is a possiblilty to drop but he might squeak by. Is it completely crazy to consider taking a -8 to swap them now ?

I'm likely to WC after this weekend to avail of the break.

Your thoughts are welcome

Michael D Not Higgins

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

Doesn't historically Kolarov get the easier matches anyway since Clichy is better defensively? Pellegrini would be mental to rotate the side the way they're playing, there are plenty of League Cup and easy CL matches to come

Clichy is just back from injury. I expect he'll get a cameo in a game soon but not a start.

ElTel

Colking wrote: »

I am currently considering something and would appreciate your thoughts on the matter

This is my -4 Points Team at the moment for GW4




I am not happy with Southampton and with Pelle's contribution so far and was thinking of swapping him out for Diouf of Stoke.

Diouf is likely to rise by 0.1 before Saturday. Pelle is a possiblilty to drop but he might squeak by. Is it completely crazy to consider taking a -8 to swap them now ?

I'm likely to WC after this weekend to avail of the break.

Your thoughts are welcome

Seems like your gonna have a late one Fri. night monitoring price changes!
Immediate thought is you cant take a -4 for Pelle to Diouf for 1 GW especially since he is at home to Norwich.

Colking

ElTel wrote: »

Seems like your gonna have a late one Fri. night monitoring price changes!
Immediate thought is you cant take a -4 for Pelle to Diouf for 1 GW especially since he is at home to Norwich.

He has a nice fixture alright. I suppose this is one of those cases that defines whether you're a first half of season dedicated TV builder or not.

Is -4 worth a possible .2 differential?

On the face of it probably not. Although the way Pelle has been playing there is no guarantee he will do any better than 2 points again this week (provided he stays card free) while Diouf on form should do better.

Morzadec

Colking wrote: »

I am currently considering something and would appreciate your thoughts on the matter

This is my -4 Points Team at the moment for GW4




I am not happy with Southampton and with Pelle's contribution so far and was thinking of swapping him out for Diouf of Stoke.

Diouf is likely to rise by 0.1 before Saturday. Pelle is a possiblilty to drop but he might squeak by. Is it completely crazy to consider taking a -8 to swap them now ?

I'm likely to WC after this weekend to avail of the break.

Your thoughts are welcome

Give Pelle another chance at home to Norwich who have yet to keep a cleany. No point taking a 4 point hit with such a juicy fixture.

Was looking at shot stats the other day and Pelle is up there with something like 4 a game. So he's trying plenty which is what you want form your FF players. He's not a player I ever considered but I'd leave him in for that match even if you are to take him out later, rather than take a 4 point hit

Ziegler1988

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

Doesn't historically Kolarov get the easier matches anyway since Clichy is better defensively? Pellegrini would be mental to rotate the side the way they're playing, there are plenty of League Cup and easy CL matches to come

As Michael D said, I'd guess it'd be because Clichy would need to get match fit again. Just an underlying fear.

ElTel

Colking wrote: »

He has a nice fixture alright. I suppose this is one of those cases that defines whether you're a first half of season dedicated TV builder or not.

Is -4 worth a possible .2 differential?

On the face of it probably not. Although the way Pelle has been playing there is no guarantee he will do any better than 2 points again this week (provided he stays card free) while Diouf on form should do better.

A goal or 2 tonight in Denmark could ease your fears re. a drop for Pelle.
Risers in value are becoming scarcer.

Michael D Not Higgins

Dónal wrote: »

As Michael D said, I'd guess it'd be because Clichy would need to get match fit again. Just an underlying fear.

If they put 2-3 goals past Watford, I can see him coming on for 20 minutes. Hopefully we get another clean sheet (+more) for Kolarov in the process.

PARlance

Any thoughts on a -4 of Cazorla & Gomis to Chadli & Benteke?

Kinda fancy the latter pairing to hit some form and have no problem letting Cazorla go (have Sanchez)... Gomis on the other hand will be hard to take out.

FHFC

PARlance wrote: »

Any thoughts on a -4 of Cazorla & Gomis to Chadli & Benteke?

Kinda fancy the latter pairing to hit some form and have no problem letting Cazorla go (have Sanchez)... Gomis on the other hand will be hard to take out.

If Gomis hits his second rise i may consider swapping to Benteke for -4. Probably not though.

Deco99

FHFC wrote: »

If Gomis hits his second rise i may consider swapping to Benteke for -4. Probably not though.

I can Gomis to Benteke (on Wildcard) got him at 7.1m now 7.3m so would need a further two rises on Gomis which is not likely for a while.

but would need to downgrade Courtouis to Myhill, 0.3m in bank after that.
That would leave me without Chelsea defensive cover.

Myhill (courtouis) - Maccarthy
Shaw - Sagna - Martin - Gomez - Stenve Taylor
Sanchez - Silva - Pedro - Mahrez Surman
Aguero Wilson Benteke (Gomis)


Would Ya?