Leinster schools league/cup 2015/2016 senior&junior

RedemptionZ

Last 10 mins and still 7-10 Belvo. A lot of mistakes being made by Blackrock.

Inspector Coptoor

10-10

Rock let back into it

5 mins to
Go

RedemptionZ

Rock penalty, 10-10 with just over 5 mins to go

Quint2010

Ref blows up 30 seconds early. Belvo will be kicking themselves.

Hagz

'Rock escaped there.

Does anyone know the status of their injured Leinster reps?

RedemptionZ

Final result 10-10. Roscrea, Clongowes and Michaels will be happy enough with that I'd say.

Pretty unimpressed with both teams. Lack of discipline with Blackrock and Belvo weren't able to do anything with the ball for all their possession.

11393551

Are roscrea expected to thump zaga tomorrow? what margin are people thinking?

rughug

11393551 wrote: »

Are roscrea expected to thump zaga tomorrow? what margin are people thinking?

Zaga beat Roscrea in the league .

Bridge93

Hagz wrote: »

'Rock escaped there.

Does anyone know the status of their injured Leinster reps?

They have 4 first teamers out. I've heard they expected to have 2 of them back by the next round if they made it so that may mean they're back for the replay. The other two are long term

MICKEYG

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Final result 10-10. Roscrea, Clongowes and Michaels will be happy enough with that I'd say.

Pretty unimpressed with both teams. Lack of discipline with Blackrock and Belvo weren't able to do anything with the ball for all their possession.

Roscrea not through yet.

RedemptionZ

11393551 wrote: »

Are roscrea expected to thump zaga tomorrow? what margin are people thinking?

Don't know if they'll thump them but I'd have Roscrea favourites. Wasn't impressed with Zaga against Wesley.

RedemptionZ

MICKEYG wrote: »

Roscrea not through yet.

Yeah apologies, thought they had played already. Could well be Zaga through.

funtime93

Bridge93 wrote: »

They have 4 first teamers out. I've heard they expected to have 2 of them back by the next round if they made it so that may mean they're back for the replay. The other two are long term

Might have lost another today though. Full back McGowan looked in a bad way going off injured. Belvo will be kicking themselves that they let this slip. Should really have closed it out. Rock can shade it in the replay IMO.

The_N4sir

funtime93 wrote: »

Might have lost another today though. Full back McGowan looked in a bad way going off injured. Belvo will be kicking themselves that they let this slip. Should really have closed it out. Rock can shade it in the replay IMO.

Belvo had a very good chance a few minutes from full time. It was a 3 v 2 and if the 12 had passed it, they definitely would have been in. If some of Rock's players come back, they could get the job done

duskyjoe

I beg to differ. I think Rock are in for another brushing physical encounter for the replay. Belvo had much greater territory. Rock seemed much more one dimensional than belvo. Both teams have excellent centres. This was a bruising encounter and lived up to the excitement of schools matches. Other teams must be quietly pleased that these two teams have to slug it out again. I felt really sorry for Rock no15 McGowan. The poor lad looked in terrible distress. I hope it was only cramping. Well done both teams , you gave it your all.

janes1234

When is replay

Inspector Coptoor

Probably Tuesday 22nd Feb but no confirmation yet

Islander13

Belvedere in from 6/1 to 5/2 after that. I'd fancy them to shade the replay

RedemptionZ

Islander13 wrote: »

Belvedere in from 6/1 to 5/2 after that. I'd fancy them to shade the replay

Michaels at 6/1 now. Still pretty good odds, think they could beat Belvo if they came up against them. Gonzaga 100/1 compared to Roscrea at 7/1 so maybe a thumping is expected.

keanecm

Who are the guys expected to come back in for rock in the replay?

mistdub

Wondering can someone tell me what happens if Belvo and rock are level after 70 again in the replay. Does it go to extra time (if so what length) or first try scored etc?

11393551

Roscrea -15 looks tempting?

Inspector Coptoor

It's into 14 already.

Roscrea to win by 7-10 but won't cover the spread.

Zaga plus 14 for me

funtime93

Zaga captain and best player is back after missing first round game. Roscrea pack will have to much for them though. I'd say they could well beat the spread.

RedemptionZ

How are Terenure's chances rated in the Junior Cup?

11393551

Whats roscrea backline supposed to be like?

Hagz

Well that was interesting. :pac:

RedemptionZ

Haven't seen any of this but getting texts about it, full time 27-17 Roscrea?

Anyone who saw this know how the teams played?

jony_dols

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Haven't seen any of this but getting texts about it, full time 27-17 Roscrea?

Anyone who saw this know how the teams played?

Error-strewn performance by Roscrea, tackling was poor and are very vulnerable to quick ball. But the size of the pack, would cause any team headaches. Brave effort by Gonzaga, held up CCR on the line around 5 times....

Roscrea v Clongowes
Replay Winners v Michaels

are the semis

funtime93

Clongowes and roscrea will be delighted with that draw. Whoever wins the replay will have a tough job getting up again for michaels. Winner will definitely be from that side of the draw.

RedemptionZ

funtime93 wrote: »

Clongowes and roscrea will be delighted with that draw. Whoever wins the replay will have a tough job getting up again for michaels. Winner will definitely be from that side of the draw.

What's the turnaround between the replay and semis anyone know?

funtime93

RedemptionZ wrote: »

What's the turnaround between the replay and semis anyone know?

Well the replay is Monday the 22nd so I'd imagine they'd only have a week maybe a little bit more since they'd have to have a 2 week break to the final.

rughug

funtime93 wrote: »

Clongowes and roscrea will be delighted with that draw. Whoever wins the replay will have a tough job getting up again for michaels. Winner will definitely be from that side of the draw.

From what side of the draw

rughug

funtime93 wrote: »

Well the replay is Monday the 22nd so I'd imagine they'd only have a week maybe a little bit more since they'd have to have a 2 week break to the final.

Semi's are on March 1 and 3 . So presume Michaels semi is March 3.

funtime93

rughug wrote: »

From what side of the draw

Belvo rock michaels. Rock still the team to beat IMO.

rughug

funtime93 wrote: »

Belvo rock michaels. Rock still the team to beat IMO.

Yeah. Agree 100%. Rock were very fortunate yesterday but the extra game will be of massive benefit.

OceanSixteen

Roscrea vs Belvo Final?

OceanSixteen

OceanSixteen wrote: »

Roscrea vs Belvo Final?

obviously it depends on the team each year but I can't remember the last time that Roscrea have managed to beat Clongowes. Roscrea have a terrible record against them at SCT level.

funtime93

glasso wrote: »

obviously it depends on the team each year but I can't remember the last time that Roscrea have managed to beat Clongowes. Roscrea have a terrible record against them at SCT level.

Clongowes are poor this year. Have been very lucky in all the draws.

jony_dols

glasso wrote: »

obviously it depends on the team each year but I can't remember the last time that Roscrea have managed to beat Clongowes. Roscrea have a terrible record against them at SCT level.

Bit of a side story to this fixture is the presence of Brett Igoe on the CWC sideline. The last time he was a head coach of a SCT side, was for Roscrea back in '09...

In that calamitous year, with a team of Connacht representatives, he managed to not qualify for the league knockouts and was dumped out of the Q1/Vinnie Murray cup game by High School. A year prior, a different coaching setup, pushed eventual winners Belvo close in the QF, so naturally Brett was shown the door after the worst cup year in memory....then two years later when Roscrea reached the final in '11, Mr Igoe, was sitting pretty as an assistant for the winning Clongowes side.

A Roscrea win would be nice, if not, a skewed clearance kick planting him on the sideline, would be suffice.

OceanSixteen

Dermot Blake has been appointed referee of the Belvedere vs Blackrock replay, same referee as the first game.

funtime93

funtime93 wrote: »

Clongowes are poor this year. Have been very lucky in all the draws.

in the betting Clongowes favoured to beat Roscrea (shorter odds for cup win than ccr).

rughug

glasso wrote: »

in the betting Clongowes favoured to beat Roscrea (shorter odds for cup win than ccr).

Clongowes have always beaten Roscrea.

Tim Robbins

Some absolute superb performances from the Leinster branch referees - once again. Fitness, positioning, control is absolutely top notch. We have a very high standard of referee-ing and we should be both proud and thankful for that. A huge amount of work goes into getting refs to that standard not just from the refs themselves, the assessors, the ref coaches etc. Well done to all.

RedemptionZ

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Some absolute superb performances from the Leinster branch referees - once again. Fitness, positioning, control is absolutely top notch. We have a very high standard of referee-ing and we should be both proud and thankful for that. A huge amount of work goes into getting refs to that standard not just from the refs themselves, the assessors, the ref coaches etc. Well done to all.

I agree, standard has been very high from what I've seen and refs keen to talk to teams telling them what they're doing wrong which is great. Are you a referee? If so, do you know if there's an unwritten rule to refrain from sinbinning in schools matches? I can see the reasoning behind it but just wondering.

wp_rathead

Just reading now about the heated on-field argument between Gonzaga College’s nominated medical official, Peter Meagher, and ref Gary Glennon during Thursday’s schools cup match at Donnybrook

Top marks to the referee - there is no HIA in amateur rugby (let alone underage rugby)

• There is no Head Injury Assessment (HIA), pitch side concussion assessment (PSCA) or concussion bin in the amateur game in Ireland.
• Players with suspected concussion cannot be temporarily replaced by a substitute and may not return to the playing area.
• Under Law 3.9, if the referee decides, with or without the advice of a doctor or other medically qualified person, that a player should stop playing, the referee may order that player to leave the playing area. The referee may also order an injured player to leave the field in order to be medically examined.

CatFromHue

http://www.balls.ie/rugby/leinster-back-referee-over-farcical-concussion-incident-in-schools-game/324360

Balls.ie have the footage up.

From reading that IT transcript it's pretty obvious the Doc was performing a HIA assessment too.

irishbucsfan

It's deeply concerning that a medical professional involved in schools' rugby was that clueless about the guidelines, and so cavalier with such a dangerous problem. Hopefully the Leinster Branch will address it and enforce a heightened standard in future.

sydthebeat

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's deeply concerning that a medical professional involved in schools' rugby was that clueless about the guidelines, and so cavalier with such a dangerous problem. Hopefully the Leinster Branch will address it and enforce a heightened standard in future.

agreed

that was the point that stood out most to me about the whole episode.
if the medic / doctor knew that HIAs wasnt possible at this level... BUT also claims that its part of their directive in injury assessments... then surely they should have raised this discrepancy already

however i must comment that in general first aid youre taught to give a player some general cognitive questions its there is an doubt as to a players condition... and usually based on a visual indication (theres 9 on the irfu website)

anyway, i think the referee will be shown to be completely correct in this... but hopefully not at a result of doctors / medics deliberately not assessing a player if in ear shot of a ref

vienne86

I saw this episode on Setanta the other night and I read the Irish Times article too. Like most here, I thought the ref was very good. I was really quite shocked that the medic should behave like that. The whole thing must have been upsetting for the players, and in particular the injured player.