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Lane hogging

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  • #52
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Knine


    thomur wrote: »
    Try the M4. I always travel at the speed limit in the middle lane and constantly being undertook and overtook on both sides

    Why are you in the middle lane? Should you not be in the left lane? Middle Lane Hoggers are the main reason this threat was created? No?


  • #53
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Knine wrote: »
    Why are you in the middle lane? Should you not be in the left lane? Middle Lane Hoggers are the main reason this threat was created? No?

    Ok, maybe my lack of knowledge but I always thought it was for people who were exiting at the next exit


  • #54
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    thomur wrote: »
    Ok, maybe my lack of knowledge but I always thought it was for people who were exiting at the next exit

    http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/


  • #55
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    thomur wrote: »
    Ok, maybe my lack of knowledge but I always thought it was for people who were exiting at the next exit

    No, you drive on the left-most lane and only go into the middle lane when you want to overtake someone in the left-most lane. Once you have finished the overtake you go back into the left-most lane.

    If you want to overtake someone on the middle lane you move into the right-most lane (if on a 3 lane road), overtake and move back into the middle lane. If you are not overtaking anyone on the left-most lane then you move back into the left-most lane.


  • #56
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    kbannon wrote: »
    Think long and hard - does that tell you anything?

    Yes it does. It tells me that there are a lot of people who think that the rules don't apply to them


  • #57
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • #58
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Knine


    thomur wrote: »
    Ok, maybe my lack of knowledge but I always thought it was for people who were exiting at the next exit

    I actually thought maybe you were joking. I think you definitely need to read the rules of the road. You are actually the cause of the undertaking.


  • #59
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭markpb


    thomur wrote: »
    Try the M4. I always travel at the speed limit in the middle lane and constantly being undertook and overtook on both sides

    I've only ever seen two lanes on the M4, which one is the middle?


  • #60
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Knine wrote: »
    I actually thought maybe you were joking. I think you definitely need to read the rules of the road. You are actually the cause of the undertaking.

    Really. If Im driving at the limit, how do you justify speeders overtaking me?


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  • #61
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    thomur wrote: »
    Really. If Im driving at the limit, how do you justify speeders overtaking me?

    People speeding is non of your business, unless you are driving a Garda car.


  • #62
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Pov06 wrote: »
    People speeding is non of your business, unless you are driving a Garda car.

    Well then likewise, the speed I drive at is no one elses business


  • #63
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    Knine wrote: »
    I actually thought maybe you were joking. I think you definitely need to read the rules of the road. You are actually the cause of the undertaking.

    Maybe you need to read the rules of the road?

    Lane 1

    The normal 'keep left' rule applies. Stay in this lane unless you are overtaking.

    Lane 2

    On a two-lane motorway, use this for overtaking only and move back into lane 1 when you have finished. You may also use this lane to accommodate traffic merging from the left.

    On a three-lane motorway, you may stay in this centre lane while there is slower moving traffic in lane 1.

    Lane 3

    If you are travelling on a three-lane motorway, you must use this lane only if traffic in lanes 1 and 2 is moving in queues and you need to overtake or accommodate merging traffic. Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by.

    You must not use the lane nearest the central median, that is, the outside lane (lane 2 or lane 3, depending on the number of lanes), if you are driving:

    a goods vehicle with a maximum authorised mass of more than 3,500 kilograms, such as a lorry or heavy goods vehicle, or

    a vehicle towing a trailer, horsebox or caravan.

    You may use it, however, in exceptional circumstances when you cannot proceed in the inner lane because of an obstruction ahead.


  • #64
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    thomur wrote: »
    Well then likewise, the speed I drive at is no one elses business

    Lane usage has nothing to do with your speed. You can drive at 200 km/h in the left lane if you wish.
    mudstack wrote: »
    Maybe you need to read the rules of the road?

    Lane 1

    The normal 'keep left' rule applies. Stay in this lane unless you are overtaking.

    Lane 2

    On a two-lane motorway, use this for overtaking only and move back into lane 1 when you have finished. You may also use this lane to accommodate traffic merging from the left.

    On a three-lane motorway, you may stay in this centre lane while there is slower moving traffic in lane 1.

    Lane 3

    If you are travelling on a three-lane motorway, you must use this lane only if traffic in lanes 1 and 2 is moving in queues and you need to overtake or accommodate merging traffic. Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by.

    You must not use the lane nearest the central median, that is, the outside lane (lane 2 or lane 3, depending on the number of lanes), if you are driving:

    a goods vehicle with a maximum authorised mass of more than 3,500 kilograms, such as a lorry or heavy goods vehicle, or

    a vehicle towing a trailer, horsebox or caravan.

    You may use it, however, in exceptional circumstances when you cannot proceed in the inner lane because of an obstruction ahead.

    That's exactly that (s)he is saying. You shouldn't hog the middle lane if there are no cars in the left lane.


  • #65
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Lane usage has nothing to do with your speed. You can drive at 200 km/h in the left lane if you wish.



    That's exactly that (s)he is saying. You shouldn't hog the middle lane if there are no cars in the left lane.


    I'm was assuming they were driving in the middle lane as the traffic was slower moving in the left lane.


  • #66
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    mudstack wrote: »
    I'm was assuming they were driving in the middle lane as the traffic was slower moving in the left lane.

    Well thomur did say he was getting undertook and overtook as he was driving in the middle lane which means cars were travelling faster in the left lane :P


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  • #67
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    Pov06 wrote: »
    People speeding is non of your business, unless you are driving a Garda car.


    You do not have to move into slower moving traffic when you are at the speed limit because someone is driving up your arse.


  • #68
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Knine


    thomur wrote: »
    Well then likewise, the speed I drive at is no one elses business

    Your middle lane hogging is everyones business though & the whole point of this thread.

    I'm a she btw :-)


  • #69
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Well thomur did say he was getting undertook and overtook as he was driving in the middle lane which means cars were travelling faster in the left lane :P

    Yes. There are cars travelling slower in the left lane. But then every so often someone swings in and undertakes on the inside.


  • #70
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    mudstack wrote: »
    You do not have to move into slower moving traffic when you are at the speed limit because someone is driving up your arse.

    True but the above person said he was getting undertook so that means cars were travelling faster in the left lane which means he does in fact have to move over.
    thomur wrote: »
    Yes. There are cars travelling slower in the left lane. But then every so often someone swings in and undertakes on the inside.

    If someone undertakes you on the inside then it means cars are travelling faster in the left lane and you are hogging the middle lane.


  • #71
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Lane usage has nothing to do with your speed. You can drive at 200 km/h in the left lane if you wish.



    Are you serious


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  • #72
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    thomur wrote: »
    Are you serious

    Deadly serious.


  • #73
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    thomur wrote: »
    Ok, maybe my lack of knowledge but I always thought it was for people who were exiting at the next exit

    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


  • #74
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Pov06 wrote: »
    True but the above person said he was getting undertook so that means cars were travelling faster in the left lane which means he does in fact have to move over.



    If someone undertakes you on the inside then it means cars are travelling faster in the left lane and you are hogging the middle lane.[/QUO

    Sorry, but if people obeyed the speed limits there would be no issue. Im not driving Miss Daisy. I drive at the upper end of the speed limit. Are you suggesting everyone should move aside for the boy racers?


  • #75
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    mudstack wrote: »
    You do not have to move into slower moving traffic when you are at the speed limit because someone is driving up your arse.

    You don't have to but you could always use your common sense ;)


  • #76
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    thomur wrote: »
    Sorry, but if people obeyed the speed limits there would be no issue. Im not driving Miss Daisy. I drive at the upper end of the speed limit. Are you suggesting everyone should move aside for the boy racers?

    Actually if people didn't hog the middle lane and moved to the left then we might not even need a speed limit like on the autobahns in Germany.

    Just goes to show how clueless drivers are in this country.

    I think you should rent a car and try drive on the autobahn. You will either get abused by other drivers or will cause a major crash.

    If you are travelling at the speed limit and the left lane is empty, GTFO of the middle lane. Simple really.


  • #77
    Rackstar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭Rackstar


    harr wrote: »
    On M50 today not often up that part of the country the amount of cars hogging the overtaking lanes ,one in particular a young lady in a ford KA causing all sorts of problems she was going no more than 40km in the far right over taking lane.
    Got stuck behind her for about 2km no choice in end but to over take on the inside ...anyway just as I was undertaking her a traffic cop flies up behind us and pulls her over but where does she try pull over....yep pull ups on the right ..cops had to guide her over to hard shoulder ..
    Same cop car pulled over a merc driving in over talking lane further up the M50 was not causing any problems and keeping to the speed limit but got pulled I presume for being in the wrong lane.
    Good to see the cops pulling for this...is the M50 always this bad ?

    How did you manage to see them pulling both?


  • #78
    mada82
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭mada82


    thomur wrote: »
    Pov06 wrote: »
    True but the above person said he was getting undertook so that means cars were travelling faster in the left lane which means he does in fact have to move over.



    If someone undertakes you on the inside then it means cars are travelling faster in the left lane and you are hogging the middle lane.[/QUO

    Sorry, but if people obeyed the speed limits there would be no issue. Im not driving Miss Daisy. I drive at the upper end of the speed limit. Are you suggesting everyone should move aside for the boy racers?


    You can't be serious. The rules are simple. Drive in lane 1 unless you are overtaking. What speed you drive at is irrelevant.


  • #79
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    thomur wrote: »
    Sorry, but if people obeyed the speed limits there would be no issue. Im not driving Miss Daisy. I drive at the upper end of the speed limit. Are you suggesting everyone should move aside for the boy racers?

    Why are you in the middle lane at all when you're not overtaking?


  • #80
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Knine wrote: »
    Your middle lane hogging is everyones business though & the whole point of this thread.

    I'm a she btw :-)

    Don't agree. Cant be vilified for following the law if I follow the speed limit. Can't understand how people justify speeding


  • #81
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    thomur wrote: »
    Sorry, but if people obeyed the speed limits there would be no issue. Im not driving Miss Daisy. I drive at the upper end of the speed limit. Are you suggesting everyone should move aside for the boy racers?
    It appears that you are justifying your poor driving because others are doing something else.
    You can only improve your driving and forget about others.
    You drive legally and let the gardai sort out the law breakers.

    Also the three lane carriageway up from the M50 to Leixlip is the N4 not the M4, hence cyclists, pedestrians and no motorway signage!

    Lastly, you really do sound like you need to brush up on simple driving skills. Read through my earlier link.


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  • #82
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Why are you in the middle lane at all when you're not overtaking?

    Because he's driving the speed limit apparently. People seem to have this consensus that lane 1 is 80 km/h, lane 2 is 100 km/h and lane 3 is "for da boyracers".


  • #83
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    thomur wrote: »
    Don't agree. Cant be vilified for following the law if I follow the speed limit. Can't understand how people justify speeding

    You're not following the law, you're breaking it!


  • #84
    mada82
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭mada82


    thomur wrote: »
    Don't agree. Cant be vilified for following the law if I follow the speed limit. Can't understand how people justify speeding

    Speeding is a separate issue. You have to be on the wind up


  • #85
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • #86
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    mada82 wrote: »
    Speeding is a separate issue. You have to be on the wind up

    I think he is


  • #87
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    thomur wrote: »
    Don't agree. Cant be vilified for following the law if I follow the speed limit. Can't understand how people justify speeding

    Actually middle lane hogging is a lot more dangerous than speeding. People like you cause people to undertake and then you get daft people who don't even check their mirrors and pull out in front of the undertaker.

    Speed doesn't kill. Lack of observation does so please move into the left lane and do all the commuters a favour.


  • #88
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Actually if people didn't hog the middle lane and moved to the left then we might not even need a speed limit like on the autobahns in Germany.

    Just goes to show how clueless drivers are in this country.

    I think you should rent a car and try drive on the autobahn. You will either get abused by other drivers or will cause a major crash.

    If you are travelling at the speed limit and the left lane is empty, GTFO of the middle lane. Simple really.

    Have driven on the AutoBahn/US/All over Europe. Don't necessarily think driving here is worse than anywhere else. If im driving at the limit why should I move over for you if you, Obviously you are speeding.


  • #89
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    Pov06 wrote: »
    True but the above person said he was getting undertook so that means cars were travelling faster in the left lane which means he does in fact have to move over.


    Someone can undertake you before you get to overtake the slower moving traffic in the left lane, see it everyday. It's usually a crazy manoeuvre that gets them not very far anyway and puts many peoples lives in danger.


  • #90
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Actually middle lane hogging is a lot more dangerous than speeding. People like you cause people to undertake and then you get daft people who don't even check their mirrors and pull out in front of the undertaker.

    Speed doesn't kill. Lack of observation does so please move into the left lane and do all the commuters a favour.

    Please obey the law


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  • #91
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Actually middle lane hogging is a lot more dangerous than speeding. People like you cause people to undertake and then you get daft people who don't even check their mirrors and pull out in front of the undertaker.

    Speed doesn't kill. Lack of observation does so please move into the left lane and do all the commuters a favour.

    Speed absolutely kills, cop on to yourself.


  • #92
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    thomur wrote: »
    Have driven on the AutoBahn/US/All over Europe. Don't necessarily think driving here is worse than anywhere else. If im driving at the limit why should I move over for you if you, Obviously you are speeding.
    We drive on the left. On the N4 (or any dual carriageway), the second and third lanes are for overtaking. When you have finished overtaking, you move back to the left.
    If there is nobody on your left when you are in an overtaking lane, you are causing an offence.
    It has nothing to do with speed.


  • #93
    mada82
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭mada82


    thomur wrote: »
    Please obey the law

    But you don't....


  • #94
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    mudstack wrote: »
    Speed absolutely kills, cop on to yourself.

    No it does not.

    You should drive on the M2 at about 7 pm some day. You will see most people easily do 160 km/h and there are no problems at all.

    Motorway driving is as safe as it gets. People do crazy speeds in Germany and don't have problems. Slow drivers are the issue, especially when they're in the wrong lane.


  • #95
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    thomur wrote: »
    Please obey the law
    You too!


  • #96
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,063 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Indeed you are right about that. It came around 2002.
    Law was worded something like (vehicles with ordinary speed limit 50mph are prohibited from using most right lane of motorway).
    Since then it was obviously amended to 80km/h in 2004.

    But then in 2009, they decided to change ordinary speed limit for buses on motorways from 80km/h to 100km/h which automatically took off buses and minibuses out of the group of vehicles prohibited from using most right lane.

    I don't think RSA realised, as for long time after that they kept publishing incorrect information about buses still being prohibited. Either in ROTR as well as they issued leaflet about motorway driving in 2012 which also included this incorrect information.
    I started few threads on boards in relation to this in the past.
    Eventually I think last year, they eventually decided to correct their mistake and amended their materials to exclude buses from this prohibition of usage of right lane.

    Also truck speed limist on motorway was raised in 2012 from 80km/h to 90km/h and prohibition of usage of right lane was amended approprietally to anything with ordinary speed limit of not greater than 90km/h.
    This is bit funny though, because smaller vehicles (like cars or vans) towing trailers are still limited to 80km/h on motorways, and trucks which can do 90km/h can not overtake them on 2 lane motorways.
    So technically speaking, if a truck will get stuck behind a car with trailer driving at legal 80km/h from Galway to Dublin, then this truck will need to do 80km/h all the way as well, as there is no legal way for him to overtake.
    Bit silly.


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  • #97
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • #98
    mudstack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭mudstack


    Pov06 wrote: »
    No it does not.

    You should drive on the M2 at about 7 pm some day. You will see most people easily do 160 km/h and there are no problems at all.

    Motorway driving is as safe as it gets. People do crazy speeds in Germany and don't have problems. Slow drivers are the issue, especially when they're in the wrong lane.

    The speed limits are there for a reason. If you crash into someone at that speed you will likely kill them, hence the numerous slow down campaigns and court appearances for excessive speeding. Obviously this goes over your head. Speeding is for a racing track.

    I drive on the M1 and M50 everyday, I follow the correct procedure for overtaking and stick to the speed limits.


  • #99
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    kbannon wrote: »
    It appears that you are justifying your poor driving because others are doing something else.
    You can only improve your driving and forget about others.
    You drive legally and let the gardai sort out the law breakers.

    Also the three lane carriageway up from the M50 to Leixlip is the N4 not the M4, hence cyclists, pedestrians and no motorway signage!

    Lastly, you really do sound like you need to brush up on simple driving skills. Read through my earlier link.

    28 years driving with no issues so disagree with your point about poor driving. I drive legally and Im not trying to sort out the law breakers but likewise if you speed then don't give out about other people who break the law


  • #100
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    That happened almost 7 years ago when the motorway speed limit for buses was upped from 80km/h to 100km/h.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2008/en/si/0546.html


  • #101
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    mudstack wrote: »
    The speed limits are there for a reason. If you crash into someone at that speed you will likely kill them, hence the numerous slow down campaigns and court appearances for excessive speeding. Obviously this goes over your head. Speeding is for a racing track.

    I drive on the M1 and M50 everyday, I follow the correct procedure for overtaking and stick to the speed limits.

    If you crash at the speed limit you will also probably kill someone and be killed yourself.

    The speed is not the cause of the crash. Lack of driving skills is the problem when people think the lane they drive in is decided based on the weather.

    I was in Germany 2 weeks ago and we were doing 180 km/h on a section that was probably worse than most of the national roads/motorways in Ireland. We came across scattered suit cases on the motorway and everyone slowed from from 180 (and even more, we were in the middle lane and there were people doing a lot higher speeds in the overtaking lane) to rolling speed with zero issues. No crashes or dead people. So, speed does not kill.


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