Dublin Airport New Routes 2016

rigmaroll

Luxair are increasing their flights to Luxembourg

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Are Ethiopian airlines carrying passengers from Dublin to LA,Washington Dulles and Toronto currently or are those just fuel stops. Is the proposed New York route picking up passengers here.

L1011

rigmaroll wrote: »

Are Ethiopian airlines carrying passengers from Dublin to LA,Washington Dulles and Toronto currently or are those just fuel stops. Is the proposed New York route picking up passengers here.

Just LA; and no announcements have been made on the JFK route.

Tenger wrote: »

EG. a year or two ago, all flights in ORD were being turning back due to a closure of its airspace. A mate was operating the flight...they told ATC "no need, as we are pre-cleared we can use Rockford" which they did. All other EU flights ended up in Montreal or Toronto

Rockford has FIS, apparently. There's definitely flights to Mexico.

Zonda999

Anyone know what aircraft they'll be using on the Hartford route?

As great and all as this expansion is, I think its too focused on the North East with Hartford being launched as well as relaunching Newark. Are they not focusing an awful lot of capacity in that region? Hartford is under two hours by car from Boston and just over two hours from New York.

JCX BXC

Zonda999 wrote: »

Anyone know what aircraft they'll be using on the Hartford route?

As great and all as this expansion is, I think its too focused on the North East with Hartford being launched as well as relaunching Newark. Are they not focusing an awful lot of capacity in that region? Hartford is under two hours by car from Boston and just over two hours from New York.

757 will be used for Hartford.

In the North East there's a high concentration of Irish and a strong connection with Ireland. These routes have always typically done miles better than routes to say SFO and LAX. The distance is also shorter, and as a result cheaper flights, therefore becoming more attractive to inbound tourists and outbound pax.

Tenger

Zonda999 wrote: »

.... Are they not focusing an awful lot of capacity in that region? Hartford is under two hours by car from Boston and just over two hours from New York.

Perhaps but it will cater for the time is money business pax very well. And not every pax wants to go through Boston or New York to get to BOS/JFK.

Thud

IRLConor wrote: »

Whatever about the trek, the lack of food options in T5 is pretty bad. Or at least was the last time I went through there. The lounge isn't great either.

T5 in O'Hare has finally been upgraded and has a few decent food options now, most are in the gate 16-34 part though which is separated from 1-9 while they work on 9-16, there is a shuttle (behind security) between them though

donvito99

Tenger wrote: »

Perhaps but it will cater for the time is money business pax very well. And not every pax wants to go through Boston or New York to get to BOS/JFK.

Yes, CT is an enormously wealthy area, we'll have to wait and see if EI can eliminate consumer surplus in the J cabin, could be a real money spinner.

ozzy jr

EI mightn't be up for an Asian route, but there must be some airline out there that it'd work for.

I haven't researched it, but I'm sure most European countries have direct flights to at least one of Bangkok, Hong Kong, KL, Beijing or Singapore.

Would a 777 make it direct from Dublin to one of the above?

JCX BXC

Aer Lingus to Liverpool begins tomorrow.

IRLConor

Thud wrote: »

T5 in O'Hare has finally been upgraded and has a few decent food options now, most are in the gate 16-34 part though which is separated from 1-9 while they work on 9-16, there is a shuttle (behind security) between them though

Good to hear. Luckily I have the direct DUB-SFO flight now but if I'm stuck connecting in ORD again it hopefully won't be as grim.

BuffyBot

ozzy jr wrote: »

EI mightn't be up for an Asian route, but there must be some airline out there that it'd work for.

I haven't researched it, but I'm sure most European countries have direct flights to at least one of Bangkok, Hong Kong, KL, Beijing or Singapore.

Would a 777 make it direct from Dublin to one of the above?

A big part of it is Etihad and Emirates, who can funnel pax and cargo to all those kinds of destinations.

A dedicated widebody is a lot of seats to sell: so you end up trying to compete on price with the ME carriers and not making a pot of money, and possibly flying half empty flights. You're also not going to have the demand for a relatively high frequency which mostly won't be attractive to they money making business passengers and some cargo shippers.

And that's just some off the top of my head.

jamo2oo9

Zonda999 wrote: »

Anyone know what aircraft they'll be using on the Hartford route?

As great and all as this expansion is, I think its too focused on the North East with Hartford being launched as well as relaunching Newark. Are they not focusing an awful lot of capacity in that region? Hartford is under two hours by car from Boston and just over two hours from New York.

Hartford is 5hrs from Boston by car. New York is roughly 6-7hrs if I recall correctly. My uncle lives in near Hartford area and whenever he flies home, he gets the plane to Boston from Hartford instead of Boston as its too far away to drive.

jamo2oo9

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Hartford is 5hrs from Boston by car. New York is roughly 6-7hrs if I recall correctly. My uncle lives in near Hartford area and whenever he flies home, he gets the plane to Boston from Hartford instead of Boston as its too far away to drive.

It's just over two hours to Boston and it's just less than three hours to New York

J.pilkington

Hartford is the insurance capital of the world so could do well from this sector

Bussywussy

J.pilkington wrote: »

Hartford is the insurance capital of the world so could do well from this sector

Ha I read that myself,first things first and ban that clown from the liberty insurance ad from flying :-)

aviator7

I can't see Asia or south America happening any time soon. Although if I was to make a bet I would say brazil would be first on their list. Growing tourism, major sporting events putting them in the spotlight, a huge Brazilian population in Ireland and western Europe, not a massively long flight time from Dublin, proper winter sun route etc.

Also on a side note, I see from the route launch video that Aerlingus have been the fastest growing transatlantic carrier in the past five years. I don't think anyone would have believed that was possible a few years ago!

homerjay2005

surely there is scope for somebody to do a vegas flight? even once a week - out every saturday, back on sundays?

kellyr4

Once a week is just not economical.............

Cost of overnighting the aircraft in LAS

Awful for aircraft utilisation performance

Crew wont accept a 1 night layover..............so have to put them up in LAs for a week

Most people dont want to go to Vegas for a week............5 days is enough at a stretch

ProfessorPlum

kellyr4 wrote: »

Once a week is just not economical.............

Cost of overnighting the aircraft in LAS

Awful for aircraft utilisation performance

Crew wont accept a 1 night layover..............so have to put them up in LAs for a week

Most people dont want to go to Vegas for a week............5 days is enough at a stretch

Why would crew not accept a 1 night layover?
I mean, sure, it would eat into gambling time, but.....

(Crew have one night layovers at every other US station, LAS would be no different)

IRLConor

aviator7 wrote: »

I can't see Asia or south America happening any time soon. Although if I was to make a bet I would say brazil would be first on their list. Growing tourism, major sporting events putting them in the spotlight, a huge Brazilian population in Ireland and western Europe, not a massively long flight time from Dublin, proper winter sun route etc.

Not a massively long flight time? Rio & São Paolo are roughly 1,000km further away than San Francisco!

It would be roughly comparable to going to Korea, in terms of distance.

Idbatterim

surely there is scope for somebody to do a vegas flight? even once a week - out every saturday, back on sundays?

this is the route I would love to see. Even 3-4 times a week from mid March to Mid September...

homerjay2005

kellyr4 wrote: »

Once a week is just not economical.............

Cost of overnighting the aircraft in LAS

Awful for aircraft utilisation performance

Crew wont accept a 1 night layover..............so have to put them up in LAs for a week

Most people dont want to go to Vegas for a week............5 days is enough at a stretch

you do know the plane/crew/airline is free to fly the plane back to other parts of the US/Europe for the remainder of the week? for example if it was one of the american airlines or even BA they could easily link it up with one of their other routes.

the aircraft doesn't have to stay over night either, they can return later that evening, arriving back on the Sunday - its free then for the other 6 days to go to other routes. once a week means the flight is more than likely full.

if it was aerlingus, the crew could rotate with the LA route if needed, but it really wouldnt be.

if somebody wanted to come home quicker than a week, then theres the option of linking up on a return flight thats got 1 stop in between.

no need to be so pedantic, i just gave an example of a route that could be populat

L1011

kellyr4 wrote: »

Once a week is just not economical.............

Cost of overnighting the aircraft in LAS

Awful for aircraft utilisation performance

Crew wont accept a 1 night layover..............so have to put them up in LAs for a week

Most people dont want to go to Vegas for a week............5 days is enough at a stretch

Someone like VS who operate other flights there would be able to do this without these issues via crew rotation

john boye

How many European airlines actually fly direct to Vegas? There doesn't seem to be many so I'd assume there are good reasons why

January

john boye wrote: »

How many European airlines actually fly direct to Vegas? There doesn't seem to be many so I'd assume there are good reasons why

BA, Virgin, Thomson, Norwegian Airlines.

WestJet are also starting a service from Gatwick next year too.

kellyr4

Commercially sensible airlines operate a demand led network strategy.
The Europe - North America market consists of approx 80m passengers per year.

Europe - Las Vegas represents less than 2% of this. Plus its (1) effectively a cul-de-sac with limited onward connecting opportunities apart from self connects with domestic LCCs and (2) as almost a 100% leisure market, carriers cannot generate the business traffic yields that they can deliver on services to SFO, LAX.

In the context of Aer Lingus, Europe to New York (JFK+EWR), Boston & Connecticut combined represent almost 30% of total demand in the Europe - North America market............hence why they are deploying so much of their transatlantic capacity in the North East region.

Glitzy destinations such as Vegas, Miami sound fantastic, but come with great financial risk

Idbatterim

Europe - Las Vegas represents less than 2% of this. Plus its (1) effectively a cul-de-sac with limited onward connecting opportunities apart from self connects with domestic LCCs and (2) as almost a 100% leisure market, carriers cannot generate the business traffic yields that they can deliver on services to SFO, LAX.

if they vegas route didnt have free alcohol, I reckon they could make a fair amount on that alone... the fly from manchester to vegas and this year, it will have less traffic than dublin, they also fly there from Gatwick and also Heathrow I assuming...

January

Idbatterim wrote: »

if they vegas route didnt have free alcohol, I reckon they could make a fair amount on that alone... the fly from manchester to vegas and this year, it will have less traffic than dublin, they also fly there from Gatwick and also Heathrow I assuming...

Manchester, Gatwick, Heathrow and Glasgow!

Can you tell I have Vegas researched to bits?

kellyr4

January wrote: »

Manchester, Gatwick, Heathrow and Glasgow!

Can you tell I have Vegas researched to bits?

Exactly, stags, hens, lads on the piss, UFC fans..........not Silicone valley tech suits paying for business class seats last minute

January

kellyr4 wrote: »

Exactly, stags, hens, lads on the piss, UFC fans..........not Silicone valley tech suits paying for business class seats last minute

Actually, according to the Flyertalk BA forum First and Club are mostly always full on the Vegas flights. (they only run first cabins on certain planes that have been updated to New First).

Jamie2k9

EI have did some schedule changes today, IAD goes daily 752 and MCO returns to 3 weekly which allows 5 weekly LAX A332 service and still have two recovery slots in schedules.

homerjay2005

john boye wrote: »

How many European airlines actually fly direct to Vegas? There doesn't seem to be many so I'd assume there are good reasons why

theres plenty.

Jamie2k9

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

EI have did some schedule changes today, IAD goes daily 752 and MCO returns to 3 weekly which allows 5 weekly LAX A332 service and still have two recovery slots in schedules.

MCO 3x weekly really ??? Must be making more up front on LAX to justify dumping the frequency on Orlando, which I thought was a popular leisure route for them (certainly looking the ridiculous fares they charge I thought it was busy).

Jamie2k9

Deleted User wrote: »

MCO 3x weekly really ??? Must be making more up front on LAX to justify dumping the frequency on Orlando, which I thought was a popular leisure route for them (certainly looking the ridiculous fares they charge I thought it was busy).

It was only increased to 4 weekly this summer for 4 months. 3 weekly is the norm for it.

john boye

homerjay2005 wrote: »

theres plenty.

4 or 5 airlines is hardly plenty especially if 4 of them fly from the same country! Are there more? I think Condor in Germany might have a Vegas route tbf. They used to anyway

man98

If Belfast can support a limited Vegas service I'd imagine Dublin could too. Weekly summer only 744 with Virgin from Belfast, perhaps we could see a based Thomson 787 in the medium term if the Jamaica and Mexico routes pay their way, package holidays seem to be having a pick up in sales so anything is possible.

ProfessorPlum

kellyr4 wrote: »

as almost a 100% leisure market, carriers cannot generate the business traffic yields that they can deliver on services to SFO, LAX

Isn't Vegas a massive conference destination? The ISSA/interclean conference is winding up today, and expected 18,000 delegates, with the Live Design International conference, expecting 14,000 kicking off today as well. Along with other 'smaller' conferences. (According to a Vegas business website). Surely some of that traffic coming from Europe might be up for grabs. So I wouldn't discount Vegas as a 100% leisure market. Many of the folk I've run into when I've been there have been on business.

January wrote: »

Actually, according to the Flyertalk BA forum First and Club are mostly always full on the Vegas flights. (they only run first cabins on certain planes that have been updated to New First).

LXFlyer

January wrote: »

BA, Virgin, Thomson, Norwegian Airlines.

WestJet are also starting a service from Gatwick next year too.

WestJet are flying to Canada from Gatwick from next year, not Vegas.


Not sure where you're getting that impression.

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

EI have did some schedule changes today, IAD goes daily 752 and MCO returns to 3 weekly which allows 5 weekly LAX A332 service and still have two recovery slots in schedules.

So what is operating the Toronto route and the two Shannon routes if IAD has switched to 757?

Has one changed to A330 operation?

Or is that next year given LAX isn't a current route!!

Jamie2k9

lxflyer wrote: »

So what is operating the Toronto route and the two Shannon routes if IAD has switched to 757?

Has one changed to A330 operation?

Or is that next year given LAX isn't a current route!!

Fourth 752 arriving early next year and for summer 16.

JCX BXC

Given that IAD is now a 757, will the early JFK be cancelled or OMNI in again?

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Fourth 752 arriving early next year and for summer 16.

OK - that wasn't clear from the original post.

It implied schedule changes from today, as in now!

Jamie2k9

lxflyer wrote: »

OK - that wasn't clear from the original post.

It implied schedule changes from today, as in now!

Yeah noticed that edited post to make clear.

Locker10a

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Fourth 752 arriving early next year and for summer 16.

Any idea where from ?
Oh so it's only staying the summer then ?

JCX BXC

Locker10a wrote: »

Any idea where from ?
Oh so it's only staying the summer then ?

Another ASL lease AFAIK.

And no, its permanent afaik. Sure how could it be only staying the summer if its arriving early that hear?

LXFlyer

Locker10a wrote: »

Any idea where from ?
Oh so it's only staying the summer then ?

No he's making the point that the schedule changes are for summer 2016.

The extra 757 will be needed in order to serve the extra destinations so it will have to be permanent.

Presumably if the early DUB/JFK flight resumes another 767 lease may be on the cards for Shannon. That of course will be announced another day.

flanzer

Those talking about a LAS route - When Aer Lingus used to go to LAX before, a few of us rented a car and drove to Vegas on 2 occasions. Was only a 4 1/2 hour drive. Car hire worked out at about $50 total one way, plus fuel. Nice drive across the Mojavé too

highlydebased

It's an Ethopian airlines 752 that ASL might be taking to fly for EI apparently

J.pilkington

kellyr4 wrote: »

Exactly, stags, hens, lads on the piss, UFC fans..........not Silicone valley tech suits paying for business class seats last minute

As mentioned there is more to Vegas than partying / gambling, it's the conference capital of the world. During a busy conference event hotel prices sky rocket as there is they struggle to deal with tourists and conference attendees(even though Vegas has 60k+ hotel rooms)

Although to tap into this market you would need more than 1 return flight a week

john boye

Funnily enough BA yesterday announced they're stopping the Gatwick - Vegas route from next April