Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

Chuchote

Fian wrote: »

https://consultation.dublincity.ie/traffic-and-transport/public-consultation-on-proposed-special-speed-limi/consultation/subpage.2016-07-06.7004763650/view


Public consultation on proposal for 30km/h speed limit inside the canals.

Anyone cycle commuting in dublin should be in favour of this imo.

Filled this out. It's a bit bizarre that it's obviously addressed only to people who drive, though.

I didn't do this, but it might be an idea to mention in the "other comments" section that protected cycle lanes are needed, especially because they'll make it more likely that children will be allowed to cycle.

Chips Lovell

Fian wrote: »

https://consultation.dublincity.ie/traffic-and-transport/public-consultation-on-proposed-special-speed-limi/consultation/subpage.2016-07-06.7004763650/view


Public consultation on proposal for 30km/h speed limit inside the canals.

Anyone cycle commuting in dublin should be in favour of this imo.

I'm a cyclist and I objected to it.

magicbastarder

Fian wrote: »

Public consultation on proposal for 30km/h speed limit inside the canals.

here's the map - as you can see, most of the arterial routes are not coded yellow, the plan is not for a blanket 30km/h limit inside the canals.

http://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/RoadsandTraffic/Documents/Appendix%20E%20-%20rt3369_10%20-%2030KP%20Speed%20Limit%20Review-01.06.2016.pdf

Chuchote

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

I'm a cyclist and I objected to it.

Why did you?

manafana

Chuchote wrote: »

Why did you?

nearly all research clearly points to reduced speeds, reducing accidents (aside from fact that any accidents where likely to be less serious in nature)

The speed of cars crossing over canal is worrying in my view, some speeds over lesson st bridge is mind boggling over 50km ph nevermind 30.

Chips Lovell

Chuchote wrote: »

Why did you?

Yet another law to go on the heap of them that are already unenforced. It's just tokenism, wanting to be seen to do something rather than actually do something.

Chuchote

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Yet another law to go on the heap of them that are already unenforced. It's just tokenism, wanting to be seen to do something rather than actually do something.

It's a point. But have there been actual studies metering how many traffic laws are ignored by how many people in Dublin and in Ireland as a whole?

CramCycle

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Yet another law to go on the heap of them that are already unenforced. It's just tokenism, wanting to be seen to do something rather than actually do something.

I agree with Jeps thinking. I would have preferred ANPR light cameras and speed cameras as well as average journey time ANPR cameras accross the city.

This said I agree with the 30kmph limit in many parts, but there is no point in having the law if it will never be reinforced.

Start with the above and then bring in the lower limit, and failing that just bring in the above.

manafana

CramCycle wrote: »

I agree with Jeps thinking. I would have preferred ANPR light cameras and speed cameras as well as average journey time ANPR cameras accross the city.

This said I agree with the 30kmph limit in many parts, but there is no point in having the law if it will never be reinforced.

Start with the above and then bring in the lower limit, and failing that just bring in the above.

Well you have change law first, you can't enforce what isn't in law, although agree that even some current speed limits are being ignored.

CramCycle

manafana wrote: »

Well you have change law first, you can't enforce what isn't in law, although agree that even some current speed limits are being ignored.

i would say most speed limits in dublin city centre are routinely ignored when traffic allows. I often see cars at quiet times clipping along inner city roads at 80kmph ( I would be tipping along at 40kmph and they fly past me).

I agree with the 30kph, but there is no point unless they plan to enforce them, set up the cameras and then introduce the law, and have no marketing campaign, have the cameras pay for themselves inside of the week.

Chuchote

Imagine the faces as they open the thousands of fines on the same day! "WHAT? IT'S AN OUTRAGE! I WASN'T BREAKING THE LAW! WHY DON'T THEY GO AND CHASE BURGLARS!" But after a week or two (if the cameras continued in use, of course) the traffic would suddenly find a new speed level.
A bus driver told me years ago that in England buses have cameras fore and aft that automatically photograph cars in bus lanes, and fines are automatically issued…

NeedMoreGears

Quick shout out for Dicksonbearings in Finglas. Very friendly and helpful - sorted me with new bearings for a Zonda freehub in no time. About half price compared to on-line and the staff were genuinely pleased to have helped me.

magicbastarder

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Yet another law to go on the heap of them that are already unenforced. It's just tokenism, wanting to be seen to do something rather than actually do something.

it was claimed on the commuting & transport forum that one way in which they would help - even with people breaching the speed limit - is that someone willing to do 60 in a current 50 zone might be willing to do only 45 in a 30 zone, so (if true) would reduce speeds.

rollingscone

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

Quick shout out for Dicksonbearings in Finglas. Very friendly and helpful - sorted me with new bearings for a Zonda freehub in no time. About half price compared to on-line and the staff were genuinely pleased to have helped me.

Interesting. I need a set of Zonda hub bearings...

Will check them out

Weepsie

Chuchote wrote: »

Imagine the faces as they open the thousands of fines on the same day! "WHAT? IT'S AN OUTRAGE! I WASN'T BREAKING THE LAW! WHY DON'T THEY GO AND CHASE BURGLARS!" But after a week or two (if the cameras continued in use, of course) the traffic would suddenly find a new speed level.
A bus driver told me years ago that in England buses have cameras fore and aft that automatically photograph cars in bus lanes, and fines are automatically issued…

This is something I would actively support. Sick of eejits beeping at me and telling me to get off the road where they themselves are not supposed to be. Even had a taxi driver with no passengers get aggressive then let in a private vehicle no problem.

Maybe it could be a fine that goes into Dublin Bus which would encourage them to actually do it.

magicbastarder

i would certainly not welcome such a move, considering i've a bus lane outside my house, and cannot get the car into the driveway (i reverse in) without using the bus lane.

i've had one or two minor run ins with bus drivers over the last couple of years as a result. the one incident where we swapped pleasantries, the bus driver pulled up to my rear bumper - despite the fact i had reversing lights on, so as to prevent me reversing in - and told me i should have put my reversing lights on *before* i had passed the driveway. even the old guy standing beside the driver burst out laughing at this, which is what defused the situation somewhat.

tomasrojo

magicbastarder wrote: »

i've had one or two minor run ins with bus drivers over the last couple of years as a result. the one incident where we swapped pleasantries, the bus driver pulled up to my rear bumper - despite the fact i had reversing lights on, so as to prevent me reversing in - and told me i should have put my reversing lights on *before* i had passed the driveway.

Are you any good with a soldering iron? You should be able to rig something up.

tomasrojo

magicbastarder wrote: »

it was claimed on the commuting & transport forum that one way in which they would help - even with people breaching the speed limit - is that someone willing to do 60 in a current 50 zone might be willing to do only 45 in a 30 zone, so (if true) would reduce speeds.

There was a drop in average speed on the relevant bit of the quays in Dublin after introduction of the 30 zone, IIRC, but it remained quite a bit above 30km/h.

I'm in favour, though I take the point about lack of enforcement. Some arguments are bogus though; it's not a blanket zone, doesn't include arterial routes, cars don't explode when driven for protracted periods at 30km/h, and it's not hard to drive at 30km/h without staring fixedly at the speedometer.

magicbastarder

tomasrojo wrote: »

Are you any good with a soldering iron? You should be able to rig something up.

yep, a switch which would turn the lights on five seconds before i hit the pedal.

tomasrojo

magicbastarder wrote: »

yep, a switch which would turn the lights on five seconds before i hit the pedal.

Exactly. Manual override. Just make sure to explain it to the NCT people too.

CramCycle

magicbastarder wrote: »

yep, a switch which would turn the lights on five seconds before i hit the pedal.

I would ask the driver what they thought my brake lights were trying to achieve as I slowed down. What would they have achieved if you had broken down, had a flat tyre etc.

Muppet

Chuchote

Vocabulary, in case anyone's going to France and needs to talk to the bike shop:

http://hubcycle.ca/articles/learn-to-speak-french-pg124.htm

tomasrojo

Chuchote wrote: »

Vocabulary, in case anyone's going to France and needs to talk to the bike shop:

http://hubcycle.ca/articles/learn-to-speak-french-pg124.htm

Are there many people who use bidons who aren't aware they're called bidons in English too?

Chuchote

tomasrojo wrote: »

Are there many people who use bidons who aren't aware they're called bidons in English too?

The vast majority, I should imagine!

tomasrojo

Fair enough! I'm pretty ignorant about sporting lingo, and I've heard of them.

George Hook retiring from the Right Hook?
https://twitter.com/ghook/status/755850923558047744

I wasn't aware. I won't miss some bits of his repertoire.

ThisRegard

He's moving to a lunchtime slot, a good time for him to rile the white van men up while eating their chicken rolls with his anti cycling rants.

magicbastarder

you have to admire his luck. a failed businessman who frequently dodged those he owed money to, being given a job to vent his ill-thought out opinions.

Fian

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Yet another law to go on the heap of them that are already unenforced. It's just tokenism, wanting to be seen to do something rather than actually do something.

True, it is unlikely that speeds will actually reduce to sub 30km/h. The hope would be that they reduce from the 60km/h people are comfortable travelling at in a 50km/h zone to around 40km/h. Speed limits do influence people even if they don't adhere to them, not least because there will always be some people who actually comply with them and others who are willing to risk a fine in the unlikely event they get caught but who will nevertheless be reluctant to be caught at 60km/h "twice the speed limit".

So the chnage in speed limit probably won't reduce speeds to 30km/h but it will reduce speeds.

On the motorway I set my cruise control at a little bit over the speed limit, if the speed limit were higher I would fix my speed higher. Of course I also do have regard to what is safe - i don't travel at even half the speed limit that applies on the little single lane boreen in connemara with blind turns I grew up on - 100km/h!

Eamonnator

Chuchote wrote: »

Vocabulary, in case anyone's going to France and needs to talk to the bike shop:

http://hubcycle.ca/articles/learn-to-speak-french-pg124.htm

I see that the french for derailleur is also derailleur, but with one of those fadas over the first e.

tomasrojo

Eamonnator wrote: »

I see that the french for derailleur is also derailleur, but with one of those fadas over the first e.

This (almost) wholesale adoption used to bother Sheldon Brown:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html