Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

Raam

Beasty wrote: »

A lot of that is down to the likes of Nate Koch. He's clearly the slowest of the sprinters, but head and shoulders above everyone else for his "entertainment" value

Almost felt sorry for Chief Commissaire Paul Watson last night - the elimination race was something else, with 18 teams of 2 starting off- that's 36 riders, but only 18 of them "live" at any one time. Working out who was last over the line every 2nd lap was seriously challenging!

It's a bit of a daft event, figuring out who wins by virtue of who is last.

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Raam wrote: »

It's a bit of a daft event, figuring out who wins by virtue of who is last.

It's extraordinarily tactical and tense. Positioning is key, getting into the same position as a rake of other riders is tough. It's super aggressive, calculating and super, super tactical. It's a great race. I'm shyte at them


ETA: Having a bit of a dilemma. Dirty Dancing and the 6 Day are on. Life is hard :P

Beasty

Raam wrote: »

It's a bit of a daft event, figuring out who wins by virtue of who is last.

The guy who is first over the line in wins. The elimination simply determines who ends up in the final head to head

It's one of the most entertaining track disciplines both the watch but also to participate in.

Beasty

gadetra wrote: »

ETA: Having a bit of a dilemma. Dirty Dancing and the 6 Day are on. Life is hard :P

You have another 359 days in the year to dance dirty .....

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Ha ha yup 6 Day won.

Loving bike cam. Hating my sporadic broadband :mad:

Raam

Beasty wrote: »

The guy who is first over the line in wins. The elimination simply determines who ends up in the final head to head

It's one of the most entertaining track disciplines both the watch but also to participate in.

I know how it works. I think it's daft.

Raam

But certainly entertaining to watch.

Daroxtar

Ya, it was watching the repeat of last nights Elimination that got my interest up. The Madison looks tougher to keep track of who's in what position.

Raam

The Madison is a way better event. The Devil is too much like musical chairs.

Beasty

Raam wrote: »

But certainly entertaining to watch.

And that's why it's thrown into events like this. It's actually the scariest track race to participate in also with those at the front slowing down over the line while those at the back are speeding up to try and overtake someone. It's part of the omnium and also survives at the Europeans, but it's far from a "mainstream" track event at the highest levels (we do a few in the track league mind!)

Laura Trott is an excellent proponent of the discipline and seems capable of finding gaps that no-one else would dare to exploit whenever she does the omnium. She needs guts with the way she goes for them though (and I probably could not even fit in some of those gaps - not that I would ever even think of trying)

manafana

those events are good, pity the Olympics is starting to limit the track programme

Beasty

Raam wrote: »

The Madison is a way better event. The Devil is too much like musical chairs.

In the 6 day, the elimination is also a Madison though!

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Raam wrote: »

The Madison is a way better event. The Devil is too much like musical chairs.

It's a lot more tactical, calculating, aggressive and tense than musical chairs. You should give it a go. Then see how exciting/shyte it is

RobFowl

manafana wrote: »

those events are good, pity the Olympics is starting to limit the track programme

Olympic track program is a bit of a joke TBH, IP, points and kilo were all great events. Program means an endurance rider from a small nation has no real opportunity to shine yet a splinter from a larger nation has 3 ...

Beasty

manafana wrote: »

those events are good, pity the Olympics is starting to limit the track programme

It was significantly limited in both Beijing and London. Now it's 5 races for both men and women. 10 medals in total. They had to cut back in track cycling to allow medals to be allocated to BMX IIRC and the IOC places an overall limit on the total number of cycling medals. It's a bit frustrating given the number handed out in the likes of Athletics and Swimming

Raam

gadetra wrote: »

It's a lot more tactical, calculating, aggressive and tense than musical chairs. You should give it a go. Then see how exciting/shyte it is

I should clarify...

I don't think it is shyte. As a spectacle and hence as a 6-day event... it has a place. As an an olympic event I think it has no place.

If I was to do track it would be pursuit. Maybe some day. Need to get the chislers a bit older first.

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Raam wrote: »

I should clarify...

I don't think it is shyte. As a spectacle and hence as a 6-day event... it has a place. As an an olympic event I think it has no place.

If I was to do track it would be pursuit. Maybe some day. Need to get the chislers a bit older first.

I would have to disagree with it's suitability as an Olympic discipline. It takes a really, really sharp, proper track rider to be good at an elimination. You have to use the track to it's maximum, and your tactical nous and gumption to the max, more than any other race I think, apart from maybe a points race (that's more calculating I think).

Oh it'll start with pursuit, and develop into a full blown addiction

Raam

gadetra wrote: »

I would have to disagree with it's suitability as an Olympic discipline. It takes a really, really sharp, proper track rider to be good at an elimination. You have to use the track to it's maximum, and your tactical nous and gumption to the max, more than any other race I think, apart from maybe a points race (that's more calculating I think).

Oh it'll start with pursuit, and develop into a full blown addiction

For me, a bike race is about winning, not about not losing. That's what the devil is, all but the last lap where it is a two person sprint.

Beasty

Elimination race would be the lowest priority for me in terms of Olympic status. The fundamental race that was always considered the blue riband was the Individual Pursuit. Now we only have it as part of the omnium plus a team pursuit. Then there's the TT (kilo/500m). The Points race again does not get a look in except within the omnium

Harrybelafonte

Elimination shouldn't be Olympic. It was only originally a "fun" event. IP should be brought back 100%.

I'm suggesting a new race for Sundrive. All Out War. It'll be start with an elimination race until there are 10 riders left, then it'll be a 10 lap points races, but sprints every two laps.

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But all throughout an elimination you are winning

At no point are you losing to win? A points race is the same, it's not about winning every sprint, but about winning enough and consistently throughout the race to win. You don't want to blow during the race, you keep a certain mount int eh tank to make it to the end. An elimination race is like appoints race with a sprint every lap instead of every 4/8 laps.


In other news it was my first club gym night tonight. I went through everything as fast as I could like a beginner eejit. My legs are now sore to touch. I start a new job tomorrow. Standing up and sitting down requires something to hold onto. And it's only going to get worse Aaaargh!

Harrybelafonte

There are only two chances in the year to do IP here. Olympic Omnium weekend and Nationals.

manafana

RobFowl wrote: »

Olympic track program is a bit of a joke TBH, IP, points and kilo were all great events. Program means an endurance rider from a small nation has no real opportunity to shine yet a splinter from a larger nation has 3 ...

agreed,

one side note a certain rugby player from carlow seemed to have a nice monday back home as mentioned on social media.

Raam

gadetra wrote: »

But all throughout an elimination you are winning

At no point are you losing to win? A points race is the same, it's not about winning every sprint, but about winning enough and consistently throughout the race to win. You don't want to blow during the race, you keep a certain mount int eh tank to make it to the end. An elimination race is like appoints race with a sprint every lap instead of every 4/8 laps.


In other news it was my first club gym night tonight. I went through everything as fast as I could like a beginner eejit. My legs are now sore to touch. I start a new job tomorrow. Standing up and sitting down requires something to hold onto. And it's only going to get worse Aaaargh!

Oh come on, a points race is in no way similar.

Beasty

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

There are only two chances in the year to do IP here. Olympic Omnium weekend and Nationals.

I only had one, and it was neither of those (still took gold mind:P)

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Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I'm suggesting a new race for Sundrive. All Out War. It'll be start with an elimination race until there are 10 riders left, then it'll be a 10 lap points races, but sprints every two laps.

I think we did that in training? I'm nearly 100% sure I did something that anyway. Nearly! Sprints every 2 laps would be awesome. I think we should implement that

It's hilarious I am defending the Elimination race, it's my least favorite race to do :pac:

Harrybelafonte

gadetra wrote: »

I think we did that in training? I'm nearly 100% sure I did something that anyway. Nearly! Sprints every 2 laps would be awesome. I think we should implement that

It's hilarious I am defending the Elimination race, it's my least favorite race to do :pac:

My favourite.

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Raam wrote: »

Oh come on, a points race is in no way similar.

It's similar-ish though? They both require you to think about your positioning in relation to other riders and calculating that against yourself. The points race is different yes, (my favorite bunch race!) but there are some similar skills and elements to both. I think the elimination is more agressive and scary in my experience.

Beasty

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

My favourite.

Over 2 years since I did one, but it's my favourite bunch race (and was a bit disappointed when they replaced it one night this year in the club league)

Having said that I would have been more disappointed if they had done it and I managed to get myself eliminated in the first sprint!

Raam

gadetra wrote: »

It's similar-ish though? They both require you to think about your positioning in relation to other riders and calculating that against yourself. The points race is different yes, (my favorite bunch race!) but there are some similar skills and elements to both. I think the elimination is more agressive and scary in my experience.

Points = try to win.
Devil = try not to lose.