Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Stoner

Deleted User wrote:

The two O'sheas cost us badly today. We had our chance.

Aidan was terrible, but nobody could hang onto the ball all the same. SOS was good in parts but looked a little off the pace .

Not sure who'd Mayo would put in ahead if him though

TCDStudent1

Stoner wrote: »

Aidan was terrible, but nobody could hang onto the ball all the same. SOS was good in parts but looked a little off the pace .

Not sure who'd Mayo would put in ahead if him though

Some people suggesting Barry Moran to me. But I think he might struggle against Fenton / McCauley. Would he have the pace to stick with them?

Powerhouse

Barlett wrote: »

Oh right, I didn't realise All Ireland medals are handed out like confetti and anyone who doesn't have one can't be a match winner :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Match winners do tend to win stuff - there's a clue in the name. Maybe you regard a League match in MacHale Park as the same level as Croke Park in August/September but not everyone does.

TCDStudent1

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Some people suggesting Barry Moran to me. But I think he might struggle against Fenton / McCauley. Would he have the pace to stick with them?

Vaughan, but getting seriously short of subs if Regan and Dillon are injured.

TCDStudent1

Deleted User wrote: »

Vaughan, but getting seriously short of subs if Regan and Dillon are injured.

Thats a good shout in fairness. Hadnt though tof him when my drunk friend was insisting to me that Mayo should be playing Moran there!

80s Child

Powerhouse wrote: »

Having watched him goading Sean Kavanagh and do likewise again today class in the last word I'd use about Keegan. Was a fine footballer when the recent Mayo team first emerged and he used to play a lot of ball in each game but it is some fall from grace to be reduced to targeting key opposition players to try to get them sent off.

Complete ****e! Every good man maker in this country plays on the edge; Neil McGee, Philly Mc Mahon....The list goes on!

Keegan takes the target man on almost every occasion and does what he has to do to get the job done! Philly does it and he's a loveable rough, Keegan does it and he's a thug!

Change the record, it's broken!

One more thing; Cooper held Moran for the ENTIRE game off the ball! He constantly held him and tried to continuously drag him and on a few occasions, succeeded in doing so! And like Philly (who I actually have a lot of time for, but for this process I have to go against), I'm told, is well fit to do a bit of trash talking also!

Stoner

TCDStudent1 wrote:

Some people suggesting Barry Moran to me. But I think he might struggle against Fenton / McCauley. Would he have the pace to stick with them?

Well I raised it with the Mayo lads , Barry Moran wouldn't have the pace was the opinion. I'd agree with that. SOS starts the next game I think

TCDStudent1

Stoner wrote: »

Well I raised it with the Mayo lads , Barry Moran wouldn't have the pace was the opinion. I'd agree with that. SOS starts the next game I think

I dont know. He was extremely poor today. And he was poor the last day too. For me, it just sends out the wrong message if you are consistently selecting a player in poor form.

Barlett

Powerhouse wrote: »

Match winners do tend to win stuff - there's a clue in the name. Maybe you regard a League match in MacHale Park as the same level as Croke Park in August/September but not everyone does.

Oh right, does that mean the five Connuaght medals, two club championship medals and two Young Footballer of the Year awards he won were all a dream?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Stoner

TCDStudent1 wrote:

I dont know. He was extremely poor today. And he was poor the last day too. For me, it just sends out the wrong message if you are consistently selecting a player in poor form.

True, but sometimes you have to play the hand you are dealt, Vaughan had a good game at midfield this year alright , followed by a poor one I think?
He's a half forward in my book though

Powerhouse

80s Child wrote: »

Complete ****e!

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You said it. Funny how you are so devoid of positive stuff to say about Keegan that you have to reference about six or seven other players/incidents rather than talk about any positive contribution he made.

Barlett

Powerhouse wrote: »

80s Child wrote: »

Complete ****e!

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You said it. Funny how you are so devoid of positive stuff to say about Keegan that you have to reference about six or seven other players/incidents rather than talk about any positive contribution he made.

He kept Diarmuid Connolly quiet, we'll take that

TCDStudent1

Barlett wrote: »

Powerhouse wrote: »

He kept Diarmuid Connolly quiet, we'll take that

Looking back at the game, I am not sure Connolly was all that quiet though. He got on more ball than most of the Dublin forwards, he tracked back constantly (getting in 2 very clean dispossessions), set up the 2nd goal with a beautiful ball. I also remember him delivering a great ball into Brogan - cant remember if anything came off that 1 but it was a serious pass. And he scored a good point too (although cant blame Keegan for that 1).

My take on the Keegan / Connolly duel was that Connolly came out slightly on top today. Keegan really didnt have much influence on Mayo's attacking game today.

80s Child

Powerhouse wrote: »

80s Child wrote: »

Complete ****e!

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You said it. Funny how you are so devoid of positive stuff to say about Keegan that you have to reference about six or seven other players/incidents rather than talk about any positive contribution he made.

Ah....you don't like replying to a structured argument, that has used relevant examples.

Got it.

RobbieRuns

Powerhouse wrote: »

Having watched him goading Sean Kavanagh and do likewise again today class in the last word I'd use about Keegan. Was a fine footballer when the recent Mayo team first emerged and he used to play a lot of ball in each game but it is some fall from grace to be reduced to targeting key opposition players to try to get them sent off.

Strange when it is someone else rather than a Dub dishing it out that they get a hammering. My point is that Keegan does a job for the team, Connolly was thinking of himself. Keegan could be going up the pitch getting points (which he does when given the freedom) but he was selfless for his team today. He does what his manager requires of him. If he was trying to get him sent off, as you suggest, he should have let go of his jersey and started rolling around on the ground holding his head after Connolly slapped his face, threw him to the ground and punched him on the head a few times ! Part of his class is that he did not do that.
But he was not letting go of the jersey because Connolly was not letting go either. It was actually funny that Connolly tried to rip Lee's jersey in two with both his hands, but either the material is better or he is just not strong enough ! If Lee Keegan was wearing Blue, you would be singing his praises. Dublin will probably go on and win, they have been the best team in Ireland for years, they still are, but Mayo are a great team and Lee Keegan is a brilliant footballer and a class act.

Dyr

80s Child wrote: »

Keegan takes the target man on almost every occasion and does what he has to do to get the job done! Philly does it and he's a loveable rough, Keegan does it and he's a thug!

McGee's a dirty, dirty player in my book

Philly isn't doing what Keegans doing at all. Keegan isn't a thug at all but if there was a TMO in football he wouldn't have lasted a half with all the off the ball fouling he's at this year.

He'll keep at it until refs put and end to it I imagine.

TCDStudent1

Bambi wrote: »

McGee's a dirty, dirty player in my book

Philly isn't doing what Keegans doing at all. Keegan isn't a thug at all but if there was a TMO in football he wouldn't have lasted a half with all the off the ball fouling he's at this year.

He'll keep at it until refs put and end to it I imagine.

This is key. He has gotten away with it so much that he keeps doing it! On the Sunday Game panel tonight, they suggested the ref should've given 2 yellows to Keegan & Connolly for the incident in the lead up to the first goal. Dont ask me why they thought Connolly should have gotten a yellow for that as he was just trying to run in towards goal away from Keegan and was dragged down twice. However, it would have put a stop to Keegan's 'tactic' immediately. I wouldnt be surprised if the ref books the 2 of them at the first opportunity the next day

80s Child

Bambi wrote: »

McGee's a dirty, dirty player in my book

Philly isn't doing what Keegans doing at all. Keegan isn't a thug at all but if there was a TMO in football he wouldn't have lasted a half with all the off the ball fouling he's at this year.

He'll keep at it until refs put and end to it I imagine.

And what about Cooper?? He held Moran all day!!! You're hating the player here, when really, you've a problem the struture as a whole. Does Keegan push the boundaries? Of course, but good players tend to!

If things changed, and there was a zero tolerance with holding, impeding etc, it would really change the game and probably for the better! But, there isn't and this is a man who has been on the losing team too often! He'll do whatever it takes to get across the line!

djPSB

When will club championship be played?

TCDStudent1

djPSB wrote: »

When will club championship be played?

Be great craic if they say they go ahead next weekend as planned!

Dyr

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

This is key. He has gotten away with it so much that he keeps doing it! On the Sunday Game panel tonight, they suggested the ref should've given 2 yellows to Keegan & Connolly for the incident in the lead up to the first goal.

You could have given two yellows alright.... to Keegan

For two pull downs or two blacks for each one..or a red for the hip throw. That Cork gob****e was strangely reticent.

corny

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Strange when it is someone else rather than a Dub dishing it out that they get a hammering. My point is that Keegan does a job for the team, Connolly was thinking of himself. Keegan could be going up the pitch getting points (which he does when given the freedom) but he was selfless for his team today. He does what his manager requires of him. If he was trying to get him sent off, as you suggest, he should have let go of his jersey and started rolling around on the ground holding his head after Connolly slapped his face, threw him to the ground and punched him on the head a few times ! Part of his class is that he did not do that.
But he was not letting go of the jersey because Connolly was not letting go either. It was actually funny that Connolly tried to rip Lee's jersey in two with both his hands, but either the material is better or he is just not strong enough ! If Lee Keegan was wearing Blue, you would be singing his praises. Dublin will probably go on and win, they have been the best team in Ireland for years, they still are, but Mayo are a great team and Lee Keegan is a brilliant footballer and a class act.

Thats just sad. My player is stronger than your player.

Cannot believe people think Keegan had a good game. Connolly contributed a lot in general play. Keegan did nothing to slow him up, dispossess him or hinder him in any way. Plus, he did nothing on the ball himself. Sure the first possession Connolly had him on his arse as he ghosted passed him.

Agreed that they were both at it though in the game. A few minutes after their coming together Connolly pulled Keegan to the ground as he was running forward. Clear black on a yellow would have had him off. He's not learning Connolly.

80s Child

corny wrote: »

Thats just sad. My player is stronger than your player.

Cannot believe people think Keegan had a good game. Connolly contributed a lot in general play. Keegan did nothing to slow him up, dispossess him or hinder him in any way. Plus, he did nothing on the ball himself. Sure the first possession Connolly had him on his arse as he ghosted passed him.

Agreed that they were both at it though in the game. A few minutes after their coming together Connolly pulled Keegan to the ground as he was running forward. Clear black on a yellow would have had him off. He's not learning Connolly.

If you're a betting man, the bet on Connolly was to score more than 3.5 points. To the best of my knowledge, he scored one, and that was from a misplaced kickout by Clarke. Connolly, in my opinion, is one of the top 3 players in the country at the minute! Yes, he got on a bit of ball, but on none of those occasions was he causing any real damage.

Keegan let him have the ball (I'm using let here as there's no way you can keep him off the ball for the entirety of the game) in areas where he would cause the least damage. Instead of pushing up on Connolly all of the time and stepping out of the defensive system, he kept his discipline and stuck to the game plan. That's the mark of a player who is working for the team! Sure, he would have loved to have welded Connolly at every possible juncture, but in doing so he would have left himself exposed and he would have exposed the rest of the rear guard or by leaving a gaping hole while trying to make the tackle ! If you mistime a tackle on Connolly you're in bother! Keegan stood and shadowed and insured, in my humble opinion, that he wasn't a main scoring threat or the main instigator in Dublin's offensive movements.

For that alone, he deserves huge credit!

Ordinary man

Keegan had connolly in his pocket all game and it was easy to see how frustrated connolly got. With 30 seconds or so to go connolly had a sideline ball, all he had to do was play it simple and keep the ball to ensure dublin won. But a mixture of frustration and ego saw him try for a point, his miss allowed mayo get the equaliser.

Stoner

Ordinary man wrote:

Keegan had connolly in his pocket all game and it was easy to see how frustrated connolly got. With 30 seconds or so to go connolly had a sideline ball, all he had to do was play it simple and keep the ball to ensure dublin won. But a mixture of frustration and ego saw him try for a point, his miss allowed mayo get the equaliser.

In all fairness there's a couple if posts now about how it's Keegan's fault that Connelly decided to go for the point.

That's a stretch imo. Unfortunately that's part of Connellys game he's been at it all season and it's been flagged numerous times in the Dublin thread.

homewardbound11

Bambi wrote: »

You could have given two yellows alright.... to Keegan

For two pull downs or two blacks for each one..or a red for the hip throw. That Cork gob****e was strangely reticent.

mDMA should have had the only straight red in the game . And some how Dublin seem to think the ref had a bad game .

Dyr

homewardbound11 wrote: »

mDMA should have had the only straight red in the game . And some how Dublin seem to think the ref had a bad game .

For pulling out of a players neck? he should have got a red for that

Just like Keegan should have.

Lane did Mayo a lot of favours. The throw in for the second half was a particularly funny example

Kauto

Bambi wrote: »

For pulling out of a players neck? he should have got a red for that

Just like Keegan should have.

Lane did Mayo a lot of favours. The throw in for the second half was a particularly funny example

How should Keegan have got red?

TITANIUM.

Stoner wrote: »

Ordinary man wrote:

Keegan had connolly in his pocket all game and it was easy to see how frustrated connolly got. With 30 seconds or so to go connolly had a sideline ball, all he had to do was play it simple and keep the ball to ensure dublin won. But a mixture of frustration and ego saw him try for a point, his miss allowed mayo get the equaliser.

In all fairness there's a couple if posts now about how it's Keegan's fault that Connelly decided to go for the point.

That's a stretch imo. Unfortunately that's part of Connellys game he's been at it all season and it's been flagged numerous times in the Dublin thread.

To be fair he does go for some high percentage shot's. But from a neutrals perspective, Keegan definitely got to him mentally and physically. Most of it was completely illegal of course. Nasty to look at if I'm honest. But he was looking as tired as I've ever seen him by the end of it. Keegan played him like a fiddle the more I think about it. To reduce the most talented footballer in the country to 1 opportunist point from play and frustrated him into that silly attempt at the end.

Cartman78

Lads, what's the story with ticket allocation for the replay?

Will there be any of general sale at all?

km79

Kauto wrote: »

How should Keegan have got red?

For daring to touch "The best player in Ireland"
He should have been more respectful like the Kerry defenders and given him all the space he needs to play effectively

Stoner

homewardbound11 wrote:

mDMA should have had the only straight red in the game . And some how Dublin seem to think the ref had a bad game .

You don't speak for Dublin homewardbound neither do I.

There's are some counter arguments about the refs performance, I've already stated that McCarthys black was a black card. Some think the ref had a bad game most if the talk is about Connelly going fur glory

Many Dubs including me have said we didn't deserve anything yesterday

If you want to see moaning about referees check out the Kerry thread over the past 6 years, that largely lives there and can stay where it is

Or the latest post in the Dublin thread calling all Dublin people heroin addicts and the players tramps. Is that your opinion now too? Does he represent a county/you?

Sorry for derailing the Mayo thread I'll pop out now but that agenda can take a walk.

Kauto

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Dublin literally put in the worst possible performance they could come up with, they don't score for 30 odd minutes, Bernard Brogan goes scoreless for the entire game and Mayo still can't get it done...It's quite shocking really.

Brogan has been brutal all year so dont expect that to change in the replay.

Mayo were quite poor themselves for periods yesterday. People saying Dublin wont be as bad the next, probably not but they wont be much better either.
Most over rated team in GAA history. A good team with 4/5 top players, the rest are ordinary enough.

Dyr

Kauto wrote: »

How should Keegan have got red?

Same way MDMA should have, tackle around the neck.

km79

Paddy power refunding all bets on yday match btw
Just seen it there

Fowler87

km79 wrote:

Paddy power refunding all bets on yday match btw Just seen it there

Good stuff. Was on the draw myself so ticket already well covered for Saturday week

MaroonAndGreen

km79 wrote:

Paddy power refunding all bets on yday match btw Just seen it there

All markets?

km79

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

All markets?

I will look into it more later but it said all bets on yday match
I had 30 on mayo in 70 minutes at 10/3 so be nice to get that back
Also had a tenner on the draw with Boyle sports
An impulse decision ydays morning as there was a shop across from hotel in Maynooth
http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/paddy-power-refunds-over-600000-11904112

Refunded as a free bet on the final
That's fine with me !

mass_debater

When will they announce the ref for the next day?

Fowler87

mass_debater wrote:

When will they announce the ref for the next day?

Either Deegen or Dublin Joe I heard

carraigard

Any idea where one can get tickets for the replay

LeoB

Bambi wrote: »

I've no idea what he's like as a human but I find O'Connor to be revolting as a player. Only downside I'd see to Mayo finally winning an All Ireland is him getting a reward for his miserable behaviour

I met him once briefly and can see why people think he is like this. He has very few admirers outside his parish. He doesnt need to be like this is the sad thing.

PressRun wrote: »

Go and cry about it. Could day the same for a couple of Dublin players, but don't go onto yer thread to whinge about it.

Give us a few examples. I dont see Dublin players trying to get lads sent off. I would not approve of it. It is a disgusting side to the game.

km79

LeoB wrote: »

I met him once briefly and can see why people think he is like this. He has very few admirers outside his parish. He doesnt need to be like this is the sad thing.



Give us a few examples. I dont see Dublin players trying to get lads sent off. I would not approve of it. It is a disgusting side to the game.

Was it Philly McMahon who pretended to be head butted by o Shea last year ? Or cooper ? Can't remember but it was one of the 2 .........
Ah here we are
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/adrumm/philly-mcmahon-denies-headbutting-aidan-oshea-and-diving-against-mayo/
I'm sorry u was mixed up.he attempted to headbutt o Shea and seperatley then himself feigned injury to try and get o Shea sent off.
Wouldn't catch a Dublin player doing that you say ?

Peist2007

km79 wrote: »

For daring to touch "The best player in Ireland"
He should have been more respectful like the Kerry defenders and given him all the space he needs to play effectively

Yup this Dublin team are the greatest of all time. At playing football versus Laois or Westmeath in a vacuum

corny

80s Child wrote: »

If you're a betting man, the bet on Connolly was to score more than 3.5 points. To the best of my knowledge, he scored one, and that was from a misplaced kickout by Clarke. Connolly, in my opinion, is one of the top 3 players in the country at the minute! Yes, he got on a bit of ball, but on none of those occasions was he causing any real damage.

Keegan let him have the ball (I'm using let here as there's no way you can keep him off the ball for the entirety of the game) in areas where he would cause the least damage. Instead of pushing up on Connolly all of the time and stepping out of the defensive system, he kept his discipline and stuck to the game plan. That's the mark of a player who is working for the team! Sure, he would have loved to have welded Connolly at every possible juncture, but in doing so he would have left himself exposed and he would have exposed the rest of the rear guard or by leaving a gaping hole while trying to make the tackle ! If you mistime a tackle on Connolly you're in bother! Keegan stood and shadowed and insured, in my humble opinion, that he wasn't a main scoring threat or the main instigator in Dublin's offensive movements.

For that alone, he deserves huge credit!

Look space was at a premium. Connolly beats Keegan others converge on him in a flash. Happened frequently to Connolly and the rest. Example, right after Connolly left him on his arse he caught Keegan in possession close to goal. Seamus O'Shea was on him before he could do anything with it.

BTW the stuff you're giving Keegan credit for above is a joke. All intangible gibberish. Nothing concrete. Mayo defended very well as a unit. That's what made life tough for the Dublin forwards. Individually Keegan exerted little influence over Connolly. Watch it with a critical eye and you might agree.

Jaden

Fowler87 wrote: »

Either Deegen or Dublin Joe I heard

Hope it's not Joe. McCarthy's black card was the result of McQuillan calling it to the ref's attention. He seems to be on a mission to dispel the notion that he favours the Dubs - we don't need that kind of agenda in a ref.

TCDStudent1

Jaden wrote: »

Hope it's not Joe. McCarthy's black card was the result of McQuillan calling it to the ref's attention. He seems to be on a mission to dispel the notion that he favours the Dubs - we don't need that kind of agenda in a ref.

McQuillan shouldnt get it based on that decision. Regardless of whether it was the right or wrong decision, it would be 'baggage' that he carries into the next day. Imagine if McCarthy is involved in something dubious the next day and McQuillan black cards him or sends him off, there will be total uproar.

Peist2007

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

McQuillan shouldnt get it based on that decision. Regardless of whether it was the right or wrong decision, it would be 'baggage' that he carries into the next day. Imagine if McCarthy is involved in something dubious the next day and McQuillan black cards him or sends him off, there will be total uproar.

There was no one worrying about uproar when the linesman that called on Keegan in the 2014 semi final reffed the replay in Limerick and completely screwed Mayo. We were told to put up and shup up then if i remember correctly. McCarthy should have been black carded yesterday, if McQuillan called it then it should be a feather in his cap rather than a black mark. Is home advantage not enough for ye that ye have to pick the ref too?

PressRun

McQuillan is far too controversial. Definitely shouldn't be him. I wouldn't mind the same ref again, tbh.

TITANIUM.

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Jaden wrote: »

Hope it's not Joe. McCarthy's black card was the result of McQuillan calling it to the ref's attention. He seems to be on a mission to dispel the notion that he favours the Dubs - we don't need that kind of agenda in a ref.

McQuillan shouldnt get it based on that decision. Regardless of whether it was the right or wrong decision, it would be 'baggage' that he carries into the next day. Imagine if McCarthy is involved in something dubious the next day and McQuillan black cards him or sends him off, there will be total uproar.

Your right.
Or he doesn't punish him and lad's would be saying he's afraid to or trying to make up for the last day.