Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

HamsterFace

Maybe, but cant imagine Horan taking the job again given the fact that he only left last year to concentrate on kids and career. He's a young man and won't get those years back

Fr Tod Umptious

HamsterFace wrote: »

Maybe, but cant imagine Horan taking the job again given the fact that he only left last year to concentrate on kids and career. He's a young man and won't get those years back

I'd say he would give it a shot for a year rather than agree to anything long term.

seligehgit

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'd say he would give it a shot for a year rather than agree to anything long term.

Can't imagine the county board would agree to anything as short term in nature as that unless they had a replacement in mind or agreed upon..... Rochford?

seligehgit

manofwisdom wrote: »

Its still the toughest draw Mayo could have got. Its probably better to playing Galway,Roscommon before the August bank holiday quarter final than mis-matches against Sligo,Leitrim,London.

Shurimgreat how many anti Horan posts is that from you now? I doubt Mayo would be where they are now (top 3 side) if it wasn't for the fine work by James Horan.

Without a doubt James Horan did an exceptionally good job as Mayo manager but it is a fair question to ask whither he is the man to turn us into the top dog,top 3 is no longer good enough.

seligehgit

martyos121 wrote: »

I felt none of it was going well. Was only watching to see the Mayo players and what they'd be asked.

Very disappointing that there was no sign of them,it was the only reason I watched and recorded it.Maybe they'll be brought back on in the not too distant future?

davegrohl48

seligehgit wrote: »

Very disappointing that there was no sign of them,it was the only reason I watched and recorded it.Maybe they'll be brought back on in the not too distant future?

Mighty format of a show in fairness. Their podcasts have some really well thought out tangents of humour and insight.

Shurimgreat

seligehgit wrote: »

Without a doubt James Horan did an exceptionally good job as Mayo manager but it is a fair question to ask whither he is the man to turn us into the top dog,top 3 is no longer good enough.

In the same category as john maughan. Able to get mayo to AI finals where they have a tendency to leave it behind them. If Horan couldn't beat dublin in 2013 when they had a couple of badly injured players he's not going to do it any other year. He needs to go away and improve the tactical side of things. 1 year out is too short.

seligehgit

Hearing strong rumours that it's as good as a done deal that James Horan will return to the helm,official announcement in a few weeks.

Defiler Of The Coffin

Michael Solan in as the new U21 manager.

eastmayo

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Michael Solan in as the new U21 manager.

What experience has m solan?

martyos121

seligehgit wrote: »

Hearing strong rumours that it's as good as a done deal that James Horan will return to the helm,official announcement in a few weeks.

No surprises then. To be honest, I'm warming to the idea as the days go by. I still stand by my opinion that a year off has done him no good and he's learned nothing bar some common sense hopefully, but in a year where we are likely to play the Ulster champions in the semis, he's been there and done that, and he's a man who's brought us to 2 finals and 4 semis, and when we don't play Kerry in the semis, our record is fairly decent. Good luck to him, but the players will be in for a very hard time from some fans if they don't prove this decision right.

seligehgit

Excited by the appointment of Michael Solan,it is nice to see some young blood going into management.He really should have an under 21 panel next year with a lot of potential.Best of luck to him.

Here's a link to an article on some of my erstwhile colleagues on this forum favourite publication re his appointment!:pac:


http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2015/10/19/4107765-michael-solan-appointed-mayo-under-21-manager/

Westernyelp

Nominations for the Senior post close on 1st Nov. with appointment by end of the month. According To Angelina Nugent on Twitter. Seems foregone conclusion at this stage though.

davegrohl48

I have a feeling John Maughan is coming back. I hope not, really think he's a poor judge of players. But the county board can rely on him to spend x amount of money and might be able to get some interest going.
"Maughan will get them fit" and all that talk.
Bit of a "Don't ever pull that stroke again" to the players.

crossvilla

The Mayo Gaa Twitter is saying Joe Keane (Crossmolina Senior Manager) in as selector/coach for U21 and Barry Solan in for Strength and Conditioning. It would be good to see Barry work with the Senior team next year too.

Westernyelp

davegrohl48 wrote: »

I have a feeling John Maughan is coming back. I hope not, really think he's a poor judge of players. But the county board can rely on him to spend x amount of money and might be able to get some interest going.
"Maughan will get them fit" and all that talk.
Bit of a "Don't ever pull that stroke again" to the players.

Now that would be a giant step backwards

Fr Tod Umptious

davegrohl48 wrote: »

I have a feeling John Maughan is coming back. I hope not, really think he's a poor judge of players. But the county board can rely on him to spend x amount of money and might be able to get some interest going.
"Maughan will get them fit" and all that talk.
Bit of a "Don't ever pull that stroke again" to the players.

And in other news that young Smyth girl is flying at the swimming, I'm getting sick of hearing 'The Macarena" in Panama Jacks and I want one of them mobile phones for Christmas.

All due respect to Maughan, but his day has long past.

Syferus

crossvilla wrote: »

The Mayo Gaa Twitter is saying Joe Keane (Crossmolina Senior Manager) in as selector/coach for U21 and Barry Solan in for Strength and Conditioning. It would be good to see Barry work with the Senior team next year too.

No way Barry could do the senior job and the Arsenal one. He did his brother a solid by allowing himself to be attached to his ticket but the logistics involved will be mad.

Shurimgreat

I will get behind any Mayo manager once the appointment is made. But I think we know what Horan brings to the table. He can bring a team close to All Ireland victory, but in 4 years of management he did not prove he had what it took to take them the whole way and came up tactically short on a number of occasions. In fact his tactical naivety was glaring on more than one occasion. If he couldn't improve it over 4 years, what difference will 1 year make? NONE!

We may play an Ulster team in the AI semis if we get that far. But we will more than likely be facing Dublin in the AI final and that will not go well for us. I hope I am not back here next year saying "I told you so". I have a feeling I will be though.

ColeTrain

davegrohl48 wrote: »

I have a feeling John Maughan is coming back. I hope not, really think he's a poor judge of players. But the county board can rely on him to spend x amount of money and might be able to get some interest going.
"Maughan will get them fit" and all that talk.
Bit of a "Don't ever pull that stroke again" to the players.

No chance. It would be like Liverpool bringing back Kenny Daglish...again.

StewartGriffin

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I will get behind any Mayo manager once the appointment is made. But I think we know what Horan brings to the table. He can bring a team close to All Ireland victory, but in 4 years of management he did not prove he had what it took to take them the whole way and came up tactically short on a number of occasions. In fact his tactical naivety was glaring on more than one occasion. If he couldn't improve it over 4 years, what difference will 1 year make? NONE!

We may play an Ulster team in the AI semis if we get that far. But we will more than likely be facing Dublin in the AI final and that will not go well for us. I hope I am not back here next year saying "I told you so". I have a feeling I will be though.

I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but from reading your last fifteen posts I'm going to go out on a limb here and jump to the conclusion that you don't think Horan would be a good choice right now. Am I right???

davegrohl48

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

And in other news that young Smyth girl is flying at the swimming, I'm getting sick of hearing 'The Macarena" in Panama Jacks and I want one of them mobile phones for Christmas.

All due respect to Maughan, but his day has long past.

Julians will be on and they play all the classics like "Whiskey in the Jar".

Shurimgreat

StewartGriffin wrote: »

I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but from reading your last fifteen posts I'm going to go out on a limb here and jump to the conclusion that you don't think Horan would be a good choice right now. Am I right???

Fair play, you spotted that one alright. I don't rate him as a good choice right now or possibly ever to lead Mayo to an AI win.

Time to give someone else a chance, preferably Rochford. If we need to write off 2016 as a learning year for him when he takes over in the spring so be it. Better than bringing back a flawed manager to "have one more go". 2014 was supposed to be Horan's "one more go" and it proved he still didn't have tactical awareness.

martyos121

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Fair play, you spotted that one alright. I don't rate him as a good choice right now or possibly ever to lead Mayo to an AI win.

Time to give someone else a chance, preferably Rochford. If we need to write off 2016 as a learning year for him when he takes over in the spring so be it. Better than bringing back a flawed manager to "have one more go". 2014 was supposed to be Horan's "one more go" and it proved he still didn't have tactical awareness.

2016 cannot be written off for any manager, given the favourable draw. Next year is the one we need to have a go, writing it off would be idiotic, which is probably why Rochford won't get the job.

Shurimgreat

martyos121 wrote: »

2016 cannot be written off for any manager, given the favourable draw. Next year is the one we need to have a go, writing it off would be idiotic, which is probably why Rochford won't get the job.

There's no favourable draw. It's Dublin with a good degree of certainty if we reach the AI final. I really don't think Horan would do well against them, he didn't in 2013. Look I'm willing to give the guy a chance but it really is a case of history repeating itself here. We've been down this road before, and it reached a dead end before. And if he comes back for 1 year, who's to say he won't want to stay 2 more, with the same results.

All I am seeing is people saying how great it would be to have Horan back, etc. Would it really be that great is my point. I think its a fair question to ask as an alternative to some of the fawning over him. He's a good manager but not in my book a great manager. If you are happy to just reach AI finals, Horan's your man.

Shurimgreat

ColeTrain wrote: »

No chance. It would be like Liverpool bringing back Kenny Daglish...again.

King Kenny did alright the last time he came back to be fair. Won one trophy, got to the final of another, offloaded a declining Torres for 50 million and signed Suarez, the player who made Rogers look like a good manager.

naughto

I think the chairman is full of sh1te and knew well what was going on.
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22966%3Amayo-gaa-board-chairmans-statement-on-managerial-crisis&catid=14&Itemid=100008

seligehgit

An awful lot of chitter chatter here about the management situation.

Very decent looking county final on Sunday.

The next door neighbours Castlebar Mitchels and Breaffy are locking horns.A multitude of inter county players and potential county players togging out.... Patrick Durkan and Barry Moran for the Mitchels,the three O Shea brothers and Robert Hennelly for the Breaffy men.I'd love to see Danny Kirby deliver on all his much spoken of potential.
The Reilly family will have an interesting day out and Declan O Reilly has swapped management role's since their only previous county final clash in 2013.It was certainly a day when Breaffy underperformed.

Based on the respective quarter final and semi final performances the Mitchels would have to be warm favourites but the big question is can the Mitchels full back line cope at times with the marauding Aidan O Shea?Young Conor O Shea will surely be called up to the county panel next year and deliver on his undoubted potential.How influential will Richie Feeney be on proceedings?Head says the Mitchels will win although history beckons for the Breaffy lads and nobody would begrudge them a first county title.

seligehgit

naughto wrote: »

I think the chairman is full of sh1te and knew well what was going on.
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22966%3Amayo-gaa-board-chairmans-statement-on-managerial-crisis&catid=14&Itemid=100008

Anybody else find it rather odd that the county chairman has asked Pat Rowland of Elverys main sponsor to provide a facilitator to tease out the issues and provide a charter that is acceptable to the players and the county board,so if there's issues there will be a road map to solving the issues internally.

How independent of the county board or neutral is such an appointee likely to be and what level of expertise will same individual have in conflict resolution??

naughto

seligehgit wrote: »

Anybody else find it rather odd that the county chairman has asked Pat Rowland of Elverys main sponsor to provide a facilitator to tease out the issues and provide a charter that is acceptable to the players and the county board,so if there's issues there will be a road map to solving the issues internally.

How independent of the county board or neutral is such an appointee likely to be and what level of expertise will same individual have in conflict resolution??

It reads like a child wrote it with him saying grown men where crying at the news.
But sure he's a buddy of his he wants to keep it all in house infear of anything nasty surprises.
He should be ran to be honest

yop

naughto wrote: »

It reads like a child wrote it with him saying grown men where crying at the news.
But sure he's a buddy of his he wants to keep it all in house infear of anything nasty surprises.
He should be ran to be honest

Sweet divine, embarrassing to say the least. Head in the sand lies.

Kristopherus

Did the players ever outline their grieviences to anyone?

ColeTrain

How many times did he mention 'executive meeting' in that statement?

davegrohl48

Kristopherus wrote: »

Did the players ever outline their grieviences to anyone?

Keith Higgins read out the issues contained in a letter handed in the night most the squad went in. Its in Mike Connellys statement.

Shurimgreat

Not sure anyone knows what all the grievances were. I've heard second hand what a few of them are. Squad players not receiving tickets for games and having to go look for them. Medical staff not retained. Those were two.

Some of these grievances sound petty, others were a bit more serious, but overall, I don't think any of them were insurmountable.

I just hope whoever the next manager is, they have a strong character and are not willing to take any BS from the county board or the players for that matter. Certain players are not good enough for the bigger games and need to be shown the door. There can be no close "friendships" between the players and management. The new man has to be fairly ruthless as all great managers are.

Kristopherus

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Keith Higgins read out the issues contained in a letter handed in the night most the squad went in. Its in Mike Connellys statement.

Thanks for that. If Connelly is to be believed, then IMO the players acted like spoilt brats if the walked out of a meeting, without at least explaining their standpoint.

"Keith and Cillian arrived with most of the squad. Keith read out a letter. I told them I wasn’t aware there was such big problems, and asked them why they took this route – could they not have met with the management and sorted it out? They didn’t engage in the discussion and left the office."

PressRun

It's pointless to debate the ins and outs of it at this stage. It's over, they're gone. It's time to move on and just get someone new in asap.

yop

Kristopherus wrote: »

Thanks for that. If Connelly is to be believed, then IMO the players acted like spoilt brats if the walked out of a meeting, without at least explaining their standpoint.

"Keith and Cillian arrived with most of the squad. Keith read out a letter. I told them I wasn’t aware there was such big problems, and asked them why they took this route – could they not have met with the management and sorted it out? They didn’t engage in the discussion and left the office."

He isn't and he was fully aware, the CB were aware. The issues were aired to them last Feb and thats when all this started. Connelly's brother has had to walk away from the role, he is hurting I'm sure and used this pedestal to turn the knife.
The line about men crying just highlights the farce of that. If thats all these lads have to worry about and they are crying over it, then they need to get out more.

As said, their gone and Connelly and the rest of the other dinosaurs should p*ss off with them.

seligehgit

Article on the parish rivalry of Castlebar Mitchels and Breaffy.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/brother-faces-brother-as-parish-rivals-go-to-war-34133431.html

yop

seligehgit wrote: »

Article on the parish rivalry of Castlebar Mitchels and Breaffy.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/brother-faces-brother-as-parish-rivals-go-to-war-34133431.html

Great pull out in the CT this week also.
Looking forward to that game, I have a feeling that Breaffy will sneak it by 3.

seligehgit

Yeah I've a suspicion that Breaffy might pull it off but I think the Mitchels would be far more likely to progress in the club championship.

yop

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah I've a suspicion that Breaffy might pull it off but I think the Mitchels would be far more likely to progress in the club championship.

As a more experienced team probably ya. But I think AOS could be the winning of a game on his own in most of the club games. And Conor is feeding in well with scores. I'm not familiar with their FB line to be honest, so that could be an issue.
I expect great clipping during it anyway!:)
And a few pints after I think.

Green Peter

This crop of players will never win, their actions show they have no backbone! You won't win all Ireland's being spineless!

PressRun

Green Peter wrote: »

This crop of players will never win, their actions show they have no backbone! You won't win all Ireland's being spineless!

How do their actions show they have no backbone? I never understand this criticism. Surely anyone who puts their reputation on the line in order to do what they believe is right, to go against the county board and a section of the media who want to villify them shows plenty of backbone. They're sticking to their guns, regardless of whatever is written about them by the likes of you.

I think people who throw out phrases like "they've no backbone" or "they're cowards" are simply just repeating brain dead phrases they heard somewhere without actually thinking about whether such character criticisms are even applicable.

yop

PressRun wrote: »

How do their actions show they have no backbone? I never understand this criticism. Surely anyone who puts their reputation on the line in order to do what they believe is right, to go against the county board and a section of the media who want to villify them shows plenty of backbone. They're sticking to their guns, regardless of whatever is written about them by the likes of you.

I think people who throw out phrases like "they've no backbone" or "they're cowards" are simply just repeating brain dead phrases they heard somewhere without actually thinking about whether such character criticisms are even applicable.

I wouldn't even engage to be honest. The post was head up bum stuff.

Cosmo Kramer

Interesting tweet from Tony Leen saying that Stephen Rochford has potentially lined up Donie Buckley, Tony McEntee, Gavin Duffy and Barry Solan as his backroom team if he gets the Mayo job. Not a bad line up there.

Fr Tod Umptious

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Interesting tweet from Tony Leen saying that Stephen Rochford has potentially lined up Donie Buckley, Tony McEntee, Gavin Duffy and Barry Solan as his backroom team if he gets the Mayo job. Not a bad line up there.

Is he interested in the job though ?
I thought if he was we would hear a lot more about it over the last few weeks
And I thought Solan was busy with Arsenal anyway

Cosmo Kramer

I'd say Solan would co-ordinate the training program from distance rather than be there at mid week training sessions. Someone else, maybe Duffy, would be in Mayo full time. I'd say Rochford is interested alright, it's just a question of whether the CB will try to impose who they want again, which might not be him, who do the players want and also the Corofin situation between now and potentially March?

Coillte_Bhoy

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

I'd say Solan would co-ordinate the training program from distance rather than be there at mid week training sessions. Someone else, maybe Duffy, would be in Mayo full time. I'd say Rochford is interested alright, it's just a question of whether the CB will try to impose who they want again, which might not be him, who do the players want and also the Corofin situation between now and potentially March?

Not sure what that means? The clubs vote for the Co Board, it's not as if they are some unelected directorate. Anyway by throwing the whole process ope to the clubs im sure they will want to avoid any repeat of last year's shennanigans.

Fr Tod Umptious

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Not sure what that means? The clubs vote for the Co Board, it's not as if they are some unelected directorate. Anyway by throwing the whole process ope to the clubs im sure they will want to avoid any repeat of last year's shennanigans.

Some here think that the CB are akin to some African despotic dictatorship only looking to line their own pockets at the expense of us the normal fan.

There was even an accusation here that they take more expenses than other CBs.

But in reality they are just as big of fans as the rest of us and are doing the best they can for Mayo GAA.

The Horan appointment was brilliant, I also believe that H&C as the best option last year even though the process was a mess.

And I don't think they will "try to impose who they want" as the other poster said.
If they wanted to do that they would have rejected H&C resignations.

I'd be more worried about the players vetoing good options and trying to impose what they want.