Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Cosmo Kramer

Rochford has confirmed that he has allowed his name to go forward for nomination.

Westernyelp

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Rochford has confirmed that he has allowed his name to go forward for nomination.

That's that so

Fr Tod Umptious

Best thing that could happen now is for Castlebar to get to the Connacht final and beat Corofin there

Thus freeing up Rochford and keeping Mayo interest in the competition

mayo.mick

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Best thing that could happen now is for Castlebar to get to the Connacht final and beat Corofin there

Thus freeing up Rochford and keeping Mayo interest in the competition

Added pressure now for Mitchels

ColeTrain

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Best thing that could happen now is for Castlebar to get to the Connacht final and beat Corofin there

Thus freeing up Rochford and keeping Mayo interest in the competition

Or for Rochford to further hone his managerial skills and win another All-Ireland? Might be no harm wining two All-Ireland's in a row, the player's will respect him even more and he will have won on the big stage in Croke Park again.

Fr Tod Umptious

ColeTrain wrote: »

Or for Rochford to further hone his managerial skills and win another All-Ireland? Might be no harm wining two All-Ireland's in a row, the player's will respect him even more and he will have won on the big stage in Croke Park again.

An extended run in the club championship would bring him into the thick of the league.
I'd much prefer a manager focused on one team than two.

And as for more respect from the players they can go to fcuk of they are looking for more respect. They got what they wanted in ousting the old setup, by all accounts a very high caliber replacement team is being readied as a replacement, time to **** or get off the pot boys.

ColeTrain

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

An extended run in the club championship would bring him into the thick of the league.
I'd much prefer a manager focused on one team than two.

And as for more respect from the players they can go to fcuk of they are looking for more respect. They got what they wanted in ousting the old setup, by all accounts a very high caliber replacement team is being readied as a replacement, time to **** or get off the pot boys.

Do you really think the player's didn't have a say regarding the new management?

Don't forget the reason that a "very high caliber management team is being readied" is directly because of their 'ousting' of the previous set-up.

The question is, should they have had to do it? The players and supporter's deserve the best. Sometimes asses need to be kicked and with the County Board, it was a massive boot up the hole that was needed.

Fr Tod Umptious

ColeTrain wrote: »

Do you really think the player's didn't have a say regarding the new management?

Don't forget the reason that a "very high caliber management team is being readied" is directly because of their 'ousting' of the previous set-up.

The question is, should they have had to do it? The players and supporter's deserve the best. Sometimes asses need to be kicked and with the County Board, it was a massive boot up the hole that was needed.

Of course I think the players have had an input.
But I don't think that winning about club title is required for the management to get more respect from them.

ColeTrain

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Of course I think the players have had an input.
But I don't think that winning about club title is required for the management to get more respect from them.

I agree, it was just me trying to play devil's advocate if Corofin happened to win again.

Ascii

Looking at if from another way the incentive will be with Corofin to stay in the club championship longer. The longer they can keep the manager tied up and away from Mayo may ultimately help delay his preparations with the new team and give a shortened timeframe with mayo leading to the start of the Connacht championship clash against Galway

Fr Tod Umptious

Ascii wrote: »

Looking at if from another way the incentive will be with Corofin to stay in the club championship longer. The longer they can keep the manager tied up and away from Mayo may ultimately help delay his preparations with the new team and give a shortened timeframe with mayo leading to the start of the Connacht championship clash against Galway

Yes
There is zero upside from a Mayo POV to Corofins prolonged involvement in the club championship.

Shurimgreat

Corofin have a great team and should comfortably beat Castlebar. Its a bit of a catch 22 to be fair, you want Corofin to lose but you also know they have a good manager and team and will probably win. I don't think anyone would really have a problem with Rochford splitting his time between Mayo and Corofin for a couple of months.

Some people take this whole thing far far too seriously, like its life and death. Its sport at the end of the day. Compromises will need to be made.

And we don't need some supporters putting pressure on the new management team from day one or before they have even taken the job, because that is counter productive.

PressRun

I don't really see the big deal about Rochford splitting his time between Mayo and Corofin for a couple of months either. It's not like managing a team is a one-man job these days. Does anyone really think Jim Gavin or Eamon Fitzmaurice do everything single-handedly in Dublin or Kerry? Managers have a team around them to help get the routine and plans in motion, and I can't see how Rochford would be any different in that respect.

It's also fairly cynical to think that Corofin would like to keep Rochford tied up in the hopes that it would jeopardize Mayo's chances against Galway. I'm sure they'd like to have him as long as possible simply because they want to go the distance in the club championship. Rochford seems to be well-respected in Corofin. It would take a serious level of bitterness to try and keep him tied up in the hopes that things go pear-shaped for him in his next job.

Cosmo Kramer

Well it sounds like a done deal anyway going by the Mayo GAA press release tonight. Only one nomination, the nomination has been accepted and they're going to meet him to discuss a backroom team.

mass_debater

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Well it sounds like a done deal anyway going by the Mayo GAA press release tonight. Only one nomination, the nomination has been accepted and they're going to meet him to discuss a backroom team.

Linky?

Ok found it
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/368080/update_re:mayo_senior_football_team_manager

mayo.mick

Anthony Hennigan ‏@Ant2686 1h1 hour ago
@MayoGAA board would not expect Stephen Rochford to leave Corofin "midstream" if he is appointed manager. Details in today's Western.

Ascii

mayo.mick wrote: »

Anthony Hennigan ‏@Ant2686 1h1 hour ago
@MayoGAA board would not expect Stephen Rochford to leave Corofin "midstream" if he is appointed manager. Details in today's Western.

If that the case its nice to see a bit of flexibility from the county board... showing a more human side if nothing else. Its a real case of trying to keep all parties on a good footing from the off.

Fr Tod Umptious

Ascii wrote: »

If that the case its nice to see a bit of flexibility from the county board... showing a more human side if nothing else. Its a real case of trying to keep all parties on a good footing from the off.

All well and good but if Corofin go deep in the club championship and Mayo have a bad league campaign there will be plenty of folk here giving out that the CB did not do enough to have exclusive access to Rochford over Corofin.

Best thing that could happen is that Corofin get knocked out of Connacht.

PressRun

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

All well and good but if Corofin go deep in the club championship and Mayo have a bad league campaign there will be plenty of folk here giving out that the CB did not do enough to have exclusive access to Rochford over Corofin.

Best thing that could happen is that Corofin get knocked out of Connacht.

And what if both Corofin and Mayo do very well under Rochford simultaneously? To be honest, I think people are overstating the "risk" of Rochford staying with Corofin for as long as their championship lasts. I don't really mind one way or another if he's still with Corofin while Mayo are in the league. It's not as though he's going to be this mysterious figure that no one ever sees or hears from while he's with Corofin or that there's going to be terrible confusion when be does return.

Shurimgreat

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

All well and good but if Corofin go deep in the club championship and Mayo have a bad league campaign there will be plenty of folk here giving out that the CB did not do enough to have exclusive access to Rochford over Corofin.

Best thing that could happen is that Corofin get knocked out of Connacht.

Putting pressure on everyone already? Do Mayo supporters never learn?

Looks like some people are already creating sticks to beat people with if Mayo don't win Sam. Let's try to move away from the blame game in Mayo football and leave it in the past where it belongs.

If you put pressure on Rochford to choose Corofin or Mayo there's a chance he will choose Corofin. And if he chose Mayo he might have regrets etc.

The guy has earned a good run with Corofin and I for one could care less if he has to share the job for a few months.

And again if we don't win Sam in 2016 its not the end of the world.

seligehgit

Here's hoping the Mitchels manage to get the chance to put Corofin to the sword and do same.We'll all be happy

Fr Tod Umptious

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Putting pressure on everyone already? Do Mayo supporters never learn?

Looks like some people are already creating sticks to beat people with if Mayo don't win Sam. Let's try to move away from the blame game in Mayo football and leave it in the past where it belongs.

If you put pressure on Rochford to choose Corofin or Mayo there's a chance he will choose Corofin. And if he chose Mayo he might have regrets etc.

The guy has earned a good run with Corofin and I for one could care less if he has to share the job for a few months.

And again if we don't win Sam in 2016 its not the end of the world.

If you want to look at who is putting the pressure on don't look at me, look at the players.

Under H&C they got the a SF replay v the best team in the country
Look back at posts here from the days after the replay and you will find plenty about enhancing the sweeper system, improving AOS at 14 and the supply he gets, and taking advantage of the fact the Mayo more than likely don't meet Kerry or Dublin till the final.

But then the players decided that the management team was not professional enough for their ambitions

So the players have now put it on themselves to prove that it was H&C that was holding them back.
By all accounts the new management is a formidable setup, no the players have no excuses left.

It's getting close to the last chance saloon for some of these guys, hitting 30+ and good deep into the championship since 2011, that is taking a toll.

2016 is a vital year, it cannot be sacrificed as some sort of transition, and a manager than may have two jobs on his mind until March 18th is not the ideal start to what is a vital campaign.

By there actions these players have told us that not winning Sam in 2016 is the end of the world, I'd like to believe them.

seligehgit

All Stars awards Friday night RTE1 at 7.Winners will be made known on the night as the hurlers have been announced.

POTY award I can only imagine will be keenly anticipated!

flasher0030

Give it to Philly.

Ascii

seligehgit wrote: »

All Stars awards Friday night RTE1 at 7.Winners will be made known on the night as the hurlers have been announced.

POTY award I can only imagine will be keenly anticipated!

I think Brogan will get it.

seligehgit

I think Jack McCaffrey will get it,must remind myself to stop take this forum off track.:pac:

Hopefully Diarmuid O Connor will pick up young POTY.

Ascii

seligehgit wrote: »

I think Jack McCaffrey will get it,must remind myself to stop take this forum off track.:pac:

Hopefully Diarmuid O Connor will pick up young POTY.

Will be a travesty if he doesn't. He really shone as the season went on. Then again Cillian was robbed two years when Jack Caff got the award so anything is possible.

Caff scored one goal in the quarter against cork, got no score there after for the season and was subbed at half time in the final. Never got a look in for the sunday game TOTY or the All star team. Cillian on the other hand was top scorer for the year in the championship, despite being injured for so long but they felt that no one had ever got three years in a row of YPOTY and they were not going to start.

*** Rant over ***

Green Peter

Player of the year for taking frees inside 30metres

Rawhead

Green Peter wrote: »

Player of the year for taking frees inside 30metres

At least we know why you have green in your name. Should really be Richard though and not Peter. Cillian will have a shoe shop beside Vaughan soon selling all those golden boots.

Ascii

Green Peter wrote: »

Player of the year for taking frees inside 30metres

You have to acknowledge the team that tackle with ferocity and strength in the attacking half of the pitch and force the opposition to give away needless frees. Cillian will kick them all day as would B Brogan or JOD etc.

PressRun

Green Peter wrote: »

Player of the year for taking frees inside 30metres

Sure you could do that yourself no bother, couldn't you? :rolleyes:

yop

Green Peter wrote: »

Player of the year for taking frees inside 30metres

Green Peter wrote: »

This crop of players will never win, their actions show they have no backbone! You won't win all Ireland's being spineless!

Last 2 posts by this poster really do show us what they want to do. Just ignore, they will get bored.

Anyone read Henrys piece in the Connaught T? Apart from the spelling mistakes he doesn't hold back, seems to have a dislike for Horan and now the players.

PressRun

yop wrote: »

Anyone read Henrys piece in the Connaught T? Apart from the spelling mistakes he doesn't hold back, seems to have a dislike for Horan and now the players.

Terrible article. Just spouting purely speculative nonsense without anything to back it up with regards to Horan's involvement and how the players feel about him removing himself from the race. He seems absolutely desperate for the players to be publicly made eat humble pie, even to the point where it almost seemed like he wants Rochford to have a hard time just so he can say I told you so. Awful attitude from someone who would rather stir **** more than anything.

seligehgit

So putting my head on the block NOT....Lee Keegan and Aidan O Shea to pick up a couple of All Stars,Diarmuid O Connor will just miss out but win young POTY.

seligehgit

Good news Castlebar Mitchels Clann na nGael game is live on TG4.

seligehgit

Congrats to Lee Keegan,Aidan O Shea on their All Stars.Diarmuid O Connor is a worthy young POTY.They're a credit to their county as are all the lads.

Always_Running

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Claremorris won the minor title today, 2-12 to 0-4 against Ballina. Claremorris did not even have a sub on this years Mayo minor team. Simply not possible to do that. There is no such thing as a club winning the A championship in a crushing scoreline in a county with Mayos club football strength with a team of lads all just below county bench standard. Didnt have the 9th best defender or 9th best forward?
That Claremorris team has not lost a championship game since u13 up, meaning never.

Claremorris 2-5 Clann na nGael 2-7 in the Connacht minor semi final tonight. Clann are the Roscommon runners up because the champions Pearses couldn't take part due to a clash with a school graduation.

yop

Congrats to the lads on the All stars and DOC.

padd b1975

Congratulations to the three winners.

I'm especially pleased for Leroy who really got his act together after an ordinary enough league campaign by his own standards.

charlie14

seligehgit wrote: »

Congrats to Lee Keegan,Aidan O Shea on their All Stars.Diarmuid O Connor is a worthy young POTY.They're a credit to their county as are all the lads.

Lee Keegan and Diarmuid O Connor both very worthy winners, but imo Aidan O Shea can count himself very fortunate to recieve the full forward All Star award.

NabyLadistheman

charlie14 wrote: »

Lee Keegan and Diarmuid O Connor both very worthy winners, but imo Aidan O Shea can count himself very fortunate to recieve the full forward All Star award.

Come off it. He dominated up until the All-Ireland semi final. Who would you have had instead?

MaroonAndGreen

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Come off it. He dominated up until the All-Ireland semi final. Who would you have had instead?

In fairness, Paddy Andrews had 2 good semi-final games and a good final, he can count himself a little unlucky IMO

Fowler87

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

In fairness, Paddy Andrews had 2 good semi-final games and a good final, he can count himself a little unlucky IMO

I thought Andrews should have been in contention for POTY never mind All Star.

charlie14

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Come off it. He dominated up until the All-Ireland semi final. Who would you have had instead?

Up until the semis, he scored against Sligo,in championship football at present, a cannon fodder side, and 1-01 against Donegal. a side on the day far from their pomp of 2012 or 2014.
In the semis he was abysmal,being outscored by his marker Mc Mahon by 1 -02.

I`m no masive fan of the Dubs, but when you compare his championship campaign to Andrews, imo, no question who should have been awarded the full forward All Star.

washman3

charlie14 wrote: »

Lee Keegan and Diarmuid O Connor both very worthy winners, but imo Aidan O Shea can count himself very fortunate to recieve the full forward All Star award.

All-Stars an absolute joke at this stage. How Andrews was overlooked for 14 is a disgrace. AOS was lucky to even be nominated, let alone actually picked.
Probably ranks as the 'softest' allstar ever awarded. We always hear of players from lesser counties who perform brilliantly in provincial championship and 'backdoor' games are overlooked because its not at the 'business end' of the championship, yet here we have a guy from a top-tier county who was virtually anonymous when it really mattered receiving an award.
The argument made is that he scored 3-4 (marked by a rookie junior player from Sligo) and a 'game-changing' goal V Donegal side that were a spent force.
Does anyone know the make-up of the panel that picks this all-star team.?

Canadel

In fairness O'Shea is a star, a marketing sensation so to speak. All he has to do is show up in one or two big games and he will be in contention. He is a great footballer too though to be fair and probably is worthy of his place in a best 15. I doubt even the Mayo club final would have been broadcast on tg4 had it not been for the O'Shea factor tbh.

charlie14

Canadel wrote: »

In fairness O'Shea is a star, a marketing sensation so to speak. All he has to do is show up in one or two big games and he will be in contention. He is a great footballer too though to be fair and probably is worthy of his place in a best 15. I doubt even the Mayo club final would have been broadcast on tg4 had it not been for the O'Shea factor tbh.

I can see your point, and while I have no problem in agreeing with you that O`Shea is a great footballer, I would have a problem with, on his performance this year, that he is worthy of the All Star award for full forward.
Especially, imo anway, that he didn`t show up in the two really big games.
Maybe a bit naive on my part, but I would have the expectation that an All Star award would be given for a players performances,rather than for their marketability.
If marketability is becoming the criteria for All Star awards, are we not heading down the road, to borrow the phrase, of hype over substance perhaps.

Stoner

IMO AOS lit the championship up this year. Against Donegal had his fellow forwards been sharper he'd have set up three goals. He scored a great goal with two men on him. Dublin and Kerry forwards were given praise for doing well against Kildare, why can't AOS get something similar
Teams really only get tests against Kerry, Mayo , Donegal and Dublin with Tyrone there now. But AOS gave Dublin serious problems in the first game as we had to have two men on him. No Dublin or Kerry forward was double marked as much this year, possibly Star vs Tyrone but you know what I mean

Every forward that won an All Star this year had poor games, Brogan , Kilkenny and Walsh for example, exclude McManus but he didn't get far either.

Mayo deserved two All Stars that's how it goes. The unfortunate thing from AOSs was that as well as transforming late in the season to possibly the most dangerous no 14, but ended up carrying the scoring threat from play, the missing link. That's a lot of pressure.

I agree that Andrews was unlucky but imo there are others less worthy than AOS

Westernyelp

Well done Mitchels. Hopefully do a job on Corofin now and lighten Rochford s workload a bit!

Shurimgreat

Paddy Andrews definitely unlucky and AOS on balance probably lucky.

I think All Stars should for the most part be judged from the AI quarter finals onwards and AOS was patchy, while Andrews was very good.