Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

PARlance

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Nothing better than seeing your own team & players you follow all year going up against the top footballers in the country!

Completely agree...Dying for a crack at Kerry!

martyos121

Connolly is out. Looks legit this time.

PARlance

He's out as per Dublin GAA fb page

Barlett

Confirmed, he's out unless he appeals again

mayo.mick

Yip, Red card still stands. 3rd attempt in morning?

yop

Appealing again this morning, can't see it been overturned at this stage. They have to make a stand and will probably stick with this now

toadfly

Have ye any links? Cant seem to see it online apart from FB but nothing official that i can see

yop

toadfly wrote: »

Have ye any links? Cant seem to see it online apart from FB but nothing official that i can see

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/diarmuid-connollys-second-appeal-fails-with-dublin-set-to-bring-fight-to-the-dra-31501721.html

Barlett

I checked the Resevoir Dubs forum for reaction, they're frothing at the mouth over there. As bad and all as we have been for moaning in the past you can tell Dublin just can't handle not getting everything their own way.

martyos121

I'd say Dublin have been planning for the replay under the assumption Connolly would get off with it. They stink of desperation going for the third appeal. Time for the DRA to make an example of him now.

yop

Barlett wrote: »

I checked the Resevoir Dubs forum for reaction, they're frothing at the mouth over there. As bad and all as we have been for moaning in the past you can tell Dublin just can't handle not getting everything their own way.

But look at it this way, if it was one of our players would be not be pretty annoyed?

The fact of the matter is that the game was strewn with various issues and while some blame Dublin Joe, I think his assistants were of no help to him.
There could have been another 2 or 3 Dublin reds with that one, there could have been 1 or 2 Mayo reds, its swings and round abouts.

But I agree though, looking at SOME of the hysteria including boycotting the game and "Justice for Dermo" its madness. Though as mentioned earlier if we looked back at this time last year I am sure it was as bad on some of the Mayo Banter pages etc.

One thing which seems to be creeping in and I hope it doesn't as at the end of the day its only a game, is that the venom between the fans isn't great and all it will take is for a few di(kheads to kickoff from either side.
Even on this forum there are a few lads who need to have a chat with themselves with some of the vitriol pouring out them, that said most won't be seen come the various provincial sub compos like FBD etc or the league.

I just wish Saturday would come now and get this game on.

Billy Mays

martyos121 wrote: »

I'd say Dublin have been planning for the replay under the assumption Connolly would get off with it. They stink of desperation going for the third appeal. Time for the DRA to make an example of him now.

Make an example of him how? They'll either uphold the one match ban or they won't.

And why wouldn't they appeal a third time? Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

And as for Dublin having no alternative plan for Saturday without Connolly...

martyos121

Billy Mays wrote: »

Make an example of him how? They'll either uphold the one match ban or they won't.

And why wouldn't they appeal a third time? Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

And as for Dublin having no alternative plan for Saturday without Connolly...

I'm not saying they don't have an alternative plan without him, but given the nature of the appeal process, I'm sure they were expecting him to be let off and were planning for the replay with him in mind. Either way, they're a weaker team without him, and if he stays suspended, the defence can focus a bit more on stopping the high ball into Brogan.

Barlett

yop wrote: »

But look at it this way, if it was one of our players would be not be pretty annoyed?

The fact of the matter is that the game was strewn with various issues and while some blame Dublin Joe, I think his assistants were of no help to him.
There could have been another 2 or 3 Dublin reds with that one, there could have been 1 or 2 Mayo reds, its swings and round abouts.

But I agree though, looking at SOME of the hysteria including boycotting the game and "Justice for Dermo" its madness. Though as mentioned earlier if we looked back at this time last year I am sure it was as bad on some of the Mayo Banter pages etc.

One thing which seems to be creeping in and I hope it doesn't as at the end of the day its only a game, is that the venom between the fans isn't great and all it will take is for a few di(kheads to kickoff from either side.
Even on this forum there are a few lads who need to have a chat with themselves with some of the vitriol pouring out them, that said most won't be seen come the various provincial sub compos like FBD etc or the league.

I just wish Saturday would come now and get this game on.

I can imagine they'll be a lot of gloating going on from the side that prevails

Peist2007

yop wrote: »

But look at it this way, if it was one of our players would be not be pretty annoyed?

I think most Mayo people on here were against Keane getting off. I know Keane is not as important to us but the point stands ie one of our players punched an opponent off the ball and it was caught on cameras. Cannot see where the injustice is even though, because of the Keane incident, i think Connolly was unlucky not to get off. But there should be no complaints, he did what he did.

Barlett

Peist2007 wrote: »

I think most Mayo people on here were against Keane getting off. I know Keane is not as important to us but the point stands ie one of our players punched an opponent off the ball and it was caught on cameras. Cannot see where the injustice is even though, because of the Keane incident, i think Connolly was unlucky not to get off. But there should be no complaints, he did what he did.

Agreed I don't think Keane should have got off & as we have seen, it set a dangerous precedent where you can argue 'oh well he was provoked so it's ok he punched him'

km79

the Connolly chat is getting very tiresome
When are the Dubs naming there team ?

Kalyke

Item about Mayo on Newstalk right now

ultrapercy

Barlett wrote: »

I checked the Resevoir Dubs forum for reaction, they're frothing at the mouth over there. As bad and all as we have been for moaning in the past you can tell Dublin just can't handle not getting everything their own way.

Exactly like their team when things go against them. Eternal home advantage, even for replays, hand picked referees who give them penalties for fouls outside area, awards wides as points, allows common assault ala Cooper go virtually Unpunished, penalises attacking player being verbally and physically assaulted etc and they still are not happy with their lot. They are calling for a referee that will be "fair" to them, short of kicking points himself to tying AOS to the dugout how much more can he do for them. They believe cowpie should get off because he didn't use a weapon to attack his opponent it seems. They are the most entitled people on the planet.

yop

Barlett wrote: »

I can imagine they'll be a lot of gloating going on from the side that prevails

There was a lot of it before we equalized!!! But ya it will be painful from some idiots, but you need to learn to win and lose with dignity, gloating is for asses.

Barlett wrote: »

Agreed I don't think Keane should have got off & as we have seen, it set a dangerous precedent where you can argue 'oh well he was provoked so it's ok he punched him'

Peist2007 wrote: »

I think most Mayo people on here were against Keane getting off. I know Keane is not as important to us but the point stands ie one of our players punched an opponent off the ball and it was caught on cameras. Cannot see where the injustice is even though, because of the Keane incident, i think Connolly was unlucky not to get off. But there should be no complaints, he did what he did.

Yip, was a WRONG decision and it hasn't helped.

Peist2007

yop wrote: »

There was a lot of it before we equalized!!!

A friend of mine from Dublin who i hadnt heard from for a few months started sending me kisses by text when the Dubs went 7 up. I havent heard from him since.

yop

Peist2007 wrote: »

A friend of mine from Dublin who i hadnt heard from for a few months started sending me kisses by text when the Dubs went 7 up. I havent heard from him since.

Ah its banter, its great, its what its about and it makes GAA great that we can mingle 82000 people inside and outside a stadium and have a minuscule amount of hassle. Long may it last. I just hope Saturday that people aren't clouded by the feeling of injustice. Social media is full of it at the minute, but I would say most of those won't be there Sunday and will soon be sorted by the minority.

Fr Tod Umptious

Connelly was never going to get off once they decided to ignore Philly McMahon's dive (when AOS clapped his hands over his head) and his use of the head against AOS.

Yes O Shea may have been pulling him but he still lead with the head.

Connelly clearly punched, it was much easier to just reject his appeals and be seen to up hold the law to some degree than to allow two guys to go unpunished.

Seans_Username

yop wrote: »

Ah its banter, its great, its what its about and it makes GAA great that we can mingle 82000 people inside and outside a stadium and have a minuscule amount of hassle. Long may it last. I just hope Saturday that people aren't clouded by the feeling of injustice. Social media is full of it at the minute, but I would say most of those won't be there Sunday and will soon be sorted by the minority.

That's funny, my dad was saying the same thing before the last game. We were having in pints in Ryan's, and he looks around seeing all the mayo and dublin jerseys and everyone chatting away to each other. Then he turns to me and says, "mad how these people will be fit to murder each other in 2 hours, and afterwards they'll come out here and it'll be the same as this"

I'm not sure if it's one of those overused "only in Ireland" things, but it's a nice thought. I've always found pre-game atmosphere very friendly and fun, the only time I've encountered a bad winner was in a pub in Dublin after the 2013 final. Social media is horrific for people's opinions, it really is a keyboard warrior mindset.

Reminds me of a tweet I saw a few weeks back:

*guy bumps my shoulder*
"You're lucky this isn't the internet mate"

TCDStudent1

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Connelly was never going to get off once they decided to ignore Philly McMahon's dive (when AOS clapped his hands over his head) and his use of the head against AOS.

Yes O Shea may have been pulling him but he still lead with the head.

Connelly clearly punched, it was much easier to just reject his appeals and be seen to up hold the law to some degree than to allow two guys to go unpunished.

But so did Keane, and that is why there was a chance he would get off.

Coillte_Bhoy

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

But so did Keane, and that is why there was a chance he would get off.

wasnt a punch though, more a slight slap, not defending him mind.

Peist2007

Seans_Username wrote: »

That's funny, my dad was saying the same thing before the last game. We were having in pints in Ryan's, and he looks around seeing all the mayo and dublin jerseys and everyone chatting away to each other. Then he turns to me and says, "mad how these people will be fit to murder each other in 2 hours, and afterwards they'll come out here and it'll be the same as this"

I'm not sure if it's one of those overused "only in Ireland" things, but it's a nice thought. I've always found pre-game atmosphere very friendly and fun, the only time I've encountered a bad winner was in a pub in Dublin after the 2013 final. Social media is horrific for people's opinions, it really is a keyboard warrior mindset.

Reminds me of a tweet I saw a few weeks back:

*guy bumps my shoulder*
"You're lucky this isn't the internet mate"

My dad always said that the best game of all to go to was Mayo v Dublin because of the crack that could be had pre and post -game with the Dublin fans. Have always found that to be the case myself.

Peist2007

yop wrote: »

Ah its banter, its great, its what its about and it makes GAA great that we can mingle 82000 people inside and outside a stadium and have a minuscule amount of hassle. Long may it last. I just hope Saturday that people aren't clouded by the feeling of injustice. Social media is full of it at the minute, but I would say most of those won't be there Sunday and will soon be sorted by the minority.

Yeah all in the name of banter. Half of my Dublin friends dont believe me when i tell them i want them to go on and win it if they beat us. Probably has something to do with all of the abuse i give them

ultrapercy

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

But so did Keane, and that is why there was a chance he would get off.

The 2 incidents while simular in the letter of the law are completely different in spirit. What keane did was raise his hand and tap Murphy with his fingers it was wrong and he deserved red which should have stood but Connolloy had intent to do real harm, there was malice and menace in what he did that was absent in the Keane incident. The rules classes all strikes the same but there is obvious difference between a slap and a punch. I believe all the cards and suspensions should have been upheld but the law makers keep planting these land mines for themselves to step on.

rebel girl 15

I've had a quick scan through it and dealt with a few posts. Lads, can you just focus on your own team rather than Dublin, and Connolly. It is going around in circles. If people keep going on about it, I will just ban until the end of championship

Defiler Of The Coffin

Assuming Connolly isn't going to have his ban rescinded (safe assumption at this point I would say) who should Keegan pick up? Leave him on McManamon or put him on Flynn? McManamon is a threat in front of goals alright, but if we could somehow free up Keegan to drive forward at times it would be beneficial. Our forwards were poor the last day and without Keegan and Vaughan to drive up the field and kick scores we were almost found out. Once again in a big game against Dublin the forwards didn't do it.

I know a lot of commentators are saying we should go hell for leather for the get-go like we did from 60 minutes onwards the last day but I thought we performed very well in our own half throughout the game. I would like to see us keeping in touch with Dublin and launching our attack at an earlier stage. The team is unbalanced at the moment. Defensively we are holding up but our kick passing and shooting is poor. Hopefully SOS will recover form and we don't leave AOS as isolated as the last day. It will make a big difference. I can't see Drake starting the next day.

Should we find ourselves in desperate need of scores we should really be sending on the likes of Alan Dillon on instead of younger guys, proven scorers in Croker.

Kalyke

http://www.the42.ie/diarmuid-connolly-dublin-dra-2310964-Sep2015/

cocoman

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Assuming Connolly isn't going to have his ban rescinded (safe assumption at this point I would say) who should Keegan pick up? Leave him on McManamon or put him on Flynn? McManamon is a threat in front of goals alright, but if we could somehow free up Keegan to drive forward at times it would be beneficial. Our forwards were poor the last day and without Keegan and Vaughan to drive up the field and kick scores we were almost found out. Once again in a big game against Dublin the forwards didn't do it.

I know a lot of commentators are saying we should go hell for leather for the get-go like we did from 60 minutes onwards the last day but I thought we performed very well in our own half throughout the game. I would like to see us keeping in touch with Dublin and launching our attack at an earlier stage. The team is unbalanced at the moment. Defensively we are holding up but our kick passing and shooting is poor. Hopefully SOS will recover form and we don't leave AOS as isolated as the last day. It will make a big difference. I can't see Drake starting the next day.

Should we find ourselves in desperate need of scores we should really be sending on the likes of Alan Dillon on instead of younger guys, proven scorers in Croker.

We really need to start with 6 forwards. I was thinking maybe Dillon and replace him with Andy later. What abobt Ronaldson? Don't know what sort of form he's in these days? Would Barry Moran up front with AOS be a viable option.

ultrapercy

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Assuming Connolly isn't going to have his ban rescinded (safe assumption at this point I would say) who should Keegan pick up? Leave him on McManamon or put him on Flynn? McManamon is a threat in front of goals alright, but if we could somehow free up Keegan to drive forward at times it would be beneficial. Our forwards were poor the last day and without Keegan and Vaughan to drive up the field and kick scores we were almost found out. Once again in a big game against Dublin the forwards didn't do it.

I know a lot of commentators are saying we should go hell for leather for the get-go like we did from 60 minutes onwards the last day but I thought we performed very well in our own half throughout the game. I would like to see us keeping in touch with Dublin and launching our attack at an earlier stage. The team is unbalanced at the moment. Defensively we are holding up but our kick passing and shooting is poor. Hopefully SOS will recover form and we don't leave AOS as isolated as the last day. It will make a big difference. I can't see Drake starting the next day.

Should we find ourselves in desperate need of scores we should really be sending on the likes of Alan Dillon on instead of younger guys, proven scorers in Croker.

Dilton has been a great servant and a good player for a lot of years but surely the intensity of this game is too much for him now ? Some of the hits in the game last weekend we're like a car crash I don't think he would get any purchase in a game like the. I would love to be wrong.

yop

Kalyke wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/diarmuid-connolly-dublin-dra-2310964-Sep2015/

Whats funny is the girl who sent the video to the DRA!!!!

Fr Tod Umptious

The narrative for this game is very similar to that of last years replay.

If Mayo play their natural, fast paced, high tempo, high pressing game, and not worry about double sweepers, extra defenders etc then they should win.

That's what they did in Limerick and were not far off.

Defiler Of The Coffin

ultrapercy wrote: »

Dilton has been a great servant and a good player for a lot of years but surely the intensity of this game is too much for him now ? Some of the hits in the game last weekend we're like a car crash I don't think he would get any purchase in a game like the. I would love to be wrong.

Difficult to know as we haven't seen very much of him this year. But I would think he would be able to handle himself. Last 10 minutes of the game when players on both sides are tiring, he would be good for a point or two.

yop

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Difficult to know as we haven't seen very much of him this year. But I would think he would be able to handle himself. Last 10 minutes of the game when players on both sides are tiring, he would be good for a point or two.

Agree, Mickey Sweeney came on and missed a shot, but I must have passed out as I didn't see this, read it in the Mayo News!
So Dillon may have been calmer.

Seans_Username

yop wrote: »

Agree, Mickey Sweeney came on and missed a shot, but I must have passed out as I didn't see this, read it in the Mayo News!
So Dillon may have been calmer.

In fairness to Sweeney, that was a serious block by McCaffrey. Don't think a lot was made of it at the time, but more than likely it stopped mayo from winning.

Maybe an experienced head might have popped it over. If it came down to Ronaldson, Sweeney, Moran, or Dillon starting, I'd take the younger lads and bring on the likes of Moran for the last 20, and Dillon for the last 5/10.

Brusna

yop wrote: »

Agree, Mickey Sweeney came on and missed a shot, but I must have passed out as I didn't see this, read it in the Mayo News!
So Dillon may have been calmer.

Sweeney took a shot but it was blocked down by Jack McCaffrey. It was a great block as Mickey was definitely going for the point. Don't think Dillon or anyone else would have done anything different.

That said I would prefer to see a more experienced player coming on late in a tight game like that.

PARlance

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Assuming Connolly isn't going to have his ban rescinded (safe assumption at this point I would say) who should Keegan pick up? Leave him on McManamon or put him on Flynn? McManamon is a threat in front of goals alright, but if we could somehow free up Keegan to drive forward at times it would be beneficial. Our forwards were poor the last day and without Keegan and Vaughan to drive up the field and kick scores we were almost found out. Once again in a big game against Dublin the forwards didn't do it.

I know a lot of commentators are saying we should go hell for leather for the get-go like we did from 60 minutes onwards the last day but I thought we performed very well in our own half throughout the game. I would like to see us keeping in touch with Dublin and launching our attack at an earlier stage. The team is unbalanced at the moment. Defensively we are holding up but our kick passing and shooting is poor. Hopefully SOS will recover form and we don't leave AOS as isolated as the last day. It will make a big difference. I can't see Drake starting the next day.

Should we find ourselves in desperate need of scores we should really be sending on the likes of Alan Dillon on instead of younger guys, proven scorers in Croker.

100% agree on Dillon, a proven guy who I have no doubt would have kicked that Sweeney point or at least not had a rush of blood to the head. How I haven't put my foot through the TV watching that, I don't know... it ended up a good block but he shouldn't have even given him a chance.

I don't see us changing much tomorrow. Drake was effective. Watching back on the replay, I think we had a better first half than second even if that sounds mad. Aidan should/could have been given that penalty, if the ball into himself and Cillian was a little better, we could have been going in ahead.
Bar Kilkenny possibly getting in for goal, we had it under control at the back.

I think they'll keep to much the same plan but add that little bit more pressure.

martyos121

Brusna wrote: »

Sweeney took a shot but it was blocked down by Jack McCaffrey. It was a great block as Mickey was definitely going for the point. Don't think Dillon or anyone else would have done anything different.

That said I would prefer to see a more experienced player coming on late in a tight game like that.

The difference between Sweeney and Dillon in that position, is that there's a good chance we'd have seen a slick dummy from Dillon as the block was coming in. That's the benefit of experience.

PARlance

Brusna wrote: »

Sweeney took a shot but it was blocked down by Jack McCaffrey. It was a great block as Mickey was definitely going for the point. Don't think Dillon or anyone else would have done anything different.

That said I would prefer to see a more experienced player coming on late in a tight game like that.

Cluxton could have come out and blocked it it was that telegraphed.
A cool head would have dropped the shoulder as mentioned above or would have made their way away from goal to get that extra bit of space.

It was a case of a rabbit running into the headlights.

yop

Was it blocked, wow, I honestly don't remember Sweeney coming on or even that shot!! Until I read it in the Mayo News it was news to me!!

happyoutscan

yop wrote: »

Was it blocked, wow, I honestly don't remember Sweeney coming on or even that shot!! Until I read it in the Mayo News it was news to me!!

Ive watched it a couple times since and think it would have gone wide anyway.

Brusna

martyos121 wrote: »

The difference between Sweeney and Dillon in that position, is that there's a good chance we'd have seen a slick dummy from Dillon as the block was coming in. That's the benefit of experience.

PARlance wrote: »

Cluxton could have come out and blocked it it was that telegraphed.
A cool head would have dropped the shoulder as mentioned above or would have made their way away from goal to get that extra bit of space.

It was a case of a rabbit running into the headlights.

I had another look at it and I'm not convinced, I think the shot was on from that position but I can see your point. Dessie Dolan did say he should have shown more composure.

I don't agree with the rabbit into headlights thing. He knew exactly what he was doing, just didn't get it done.

PARlance

Brusna wrote: »

I had another look at it and I'm not convinced, I think the shot was on from that position but I can see your point. Dessie Dolan did say he should have shown more composure.

I don't agree with the rabbit into headlights thing. He knew exactly what he was doing, just didn't get it done.

The shot was on but a better shot could have been on.

He saw the opportunity and panicked a bit, ran towards the goal when he was already close enough and could have ran away from it to open up the angle and afford him more time.

Was happy with my analogy

Don't mean to sound harsh but with Dillon on the bench, I would have so much more faith in him.

Brusna

PARlance wrote: »

The shot was on but a better shot could have been on.

He saw the opportunity and panicked a bit, ran towards the goal when he was already close enough and could have ran away from it to open up the angle and afford him more time.

Was happy with my analogy

Don't mean to sound harsh but with Dillon on the bench, I would have so much more faith in him.

I wouldn't put Sweeney in ahead of Dillon either. I don't see the point in having Dillon in the subs if you don't bring him on in a situation like that when are you going to bring him on.

Peist2007

Brusna wrote: »

I had another look at it and I'm not convinced, I think the shot was on from that position but I can see your point. Dessie Dolan did say he should have shown more composure.

I don't agree with the rabbit into headlights thing. He knew exactly what he was doing, just didn't get it done.

He knew what he was doing. Problem was by the time he had realised he was in a scoring position, then had to have another look to steady himself, it was too late. McCaffrey should never have gotten a block in and it was a huge chance. Just fell to the wrong guy, just on and probably not near the pace of the game.

km79

seems to be tickets available again in tickets.ie