O'Hanlon 2015/16

cdeb

New thread for the new season!

Gonzaga should walk this, I would say.

I reckon St Benildus are in with a decent shout of promotion - if we can get a regular team out. We gave away too many walkovers last season; we probably should have come fourth (one spot off promotion) if we'd not done that. Drogheda with two extra players (after being relegated from the Heidenfeld) should be quite strong too.

Ballinasloe maybe to go down (losing two players to the Heidenfeld won't help) and - let's pick at random - Bray.

League table is here

Retd.LoyolaCpt

Giving us the cdeb curse in 2 leagues hope Gonzaga can live up to your prediction of a double. I haven't seen the schedule, have we set up a third team do you know? Our O'H team is trying to do a blanch/ballinasloe/Lopez job and follow them on their merry way up the leagues

cdeb

A Gonzaga third team would start in the O'Sullivan, and entries haven't been called for that yet. Won't happen for another month, until clubs see who's left over from the current teams.

I was trying hard to find a way not to tip ye for two titles, believe me.

2bts

Bray/Greystones 2 - 4 St. Benildus
0:2:3 with one w/o

Bad Bishop

Celbridge 0 - 6 Ballinasloe

cdeb

St Benildus 1½-4½ Drogheda

Turned down a draw and lost on one board.

Nightmare of a day for us - three matches at the same time, and a lot of players missing. Only had two players from the O'Hanlon team for this one; had to sub one BEA player and one Bodley player, and scratch the bottom two boards.

sinbad68

cdeb wrote: »

Nightmare of a day for us - three matches at the same time, and a lot of players missing. Only had two players from the O'Hanlon team for this one; had to sub one BEA player and one Bodley player, and scratch the bottom two boards.

This problem is due to poor planning and decision making by benildus team planners .Benildus in the league are unbalanced as a club, they have two teams in armstrong and then nothing til division 4, with anyone over 1500 rated asking to play in armstrong, the planner has obliged , meaning they are overloaded with players in armstrong as was the case in Bray vs Benildus B, where couple of benildus players had to take a break to make room for others to play, then benildus keeps giving walkovers in lower divisions due to lack of players.At least two or more players in armstrong panels should be moved to division 4 with a promise of a subbing up for amrstrong if they are needed, instead of the current situation.

mikhail

sinbad68 wrote: »

This problem is due to poor planning and decision making by benildus team planners .

Hardly. This occurred due to three consecutive teams playing simultaneously, a situation that would test the resources of any club.

Benildus in the league are unbalanced as a club, they have two teams in armstrong and then nothing til division 4, with anyone over 1500 rated asking to play in armstrong, the planner has obliged , meaning they are overloaded with players in armstrong

Yes, because what would have helped here is an Ennis team.

as was the case in Bray vs Benildus B, where couple of benildus players had to take a break to make room for others to play, then benildus keeps giving walkovers in lower divisions due to lack of players.At least two or more players in armstrong panels should be moved to division 4 with a promise of a subbing up for amrstrong if they are needed, instead of the current situation.

To lose one Armstrong team would be unfortunate. To lose two would be careless. Hey, didn't you play for Rathmines?

sinbad68

mikhail wrote: »

Yes, because what would have helped here is an Ennis team.

What would have helped here, was NOT an Ennis team, it was Proper Planning.Instead of trying to please everyone, couple of Benildus B team panel should have been pushed to O'hanlon, which would have not only benefited O'hanlon but also teams in lower divisions, they could always sub for any of the two armstrong teams if needed, and would have given benildus more flexibility and strength in all the divisions.

Yes, Benildus planner should move to correct this problem NOW, and not have for the rest of this season, The headache of, at one end, who he has to leave out and giving himself The short straw more often than others, and at other end, Not having enough players to fill the boards. All this talk about benildus, made me go over and have look at their site after a long time for the latest article and it was worth it, funny read from benildus site below

While the O’Hanlon hosted Drogheda, the BEA travelled in the opposite direction – with one BEA player and three subs. We had an early setback when Des lost in controversial circumstances – after 7 moves, it was noticed his king and queen were set up the wrong way around, and when they were placed on their correct squares, a piece which had been protected by the queen was now just hanging! Des never recovered from that – not knowing that the correct thing to do is to at least stop the clocks and get out a rule-book rather than accept the loss of a piece. The rulebook would have contained FIDE rule 7.2a – “If during a game it is found that the initial position of the pieces was incorrect, the game shall be cancelled and a new game shall be played.” Note rule 7.2b says that if the board was just set up the wrong way around, the game should continue, but with the board the correct way around. So it’s always worth emphasising that if you ever want to query a decision like this during a game, you’re allowed pause your clock and call a controller or consult with your team captain.

cdeb

Ah yes, sinbad knows everything as per usual. :rolleyes:

We had three games on Saturday, and there wasn't much we could do about it. One was due to be played the previous Saturday, but we had to move it because it clashed with a schools tournament. We couldn't move it back the previous week as the same team had a game that week as well. We couldn't move our Bodley game forward because Enniscorthy couldn't play the next week or the week after (which was why they'd asked us to move their BEA game against us in the first place). We couldn't really ask Drogheda to move two matches (one BEA and one O'Hanlon) just to suit us - they'd already been quite accommodating by moving the BEA game.

Saturdays can be awkward for us - junior players often have other sports; college players often have work. That cost us a lot of players here. Had we just had the two matches, we'd have had full teams.

But no, moving one player down from the Armstrong would have made all the difference alright when we were short five boards and had asked 26 players to play...

Some of the other stuff in your post is just made up.

sinbad68

cdeb wrote: »

But no, moving one player down from the Armstrong would have made all the difference alright when we were short five boards and had asked 26 players to play...

I said at least 2 or more players and the effect on O'hanlon and ripple effect on divisions below it over so many rounds in the season would have been huge. It's No skin off my back if benildus planner makes a hash of things and instead of correcting it, wants to keep going the wrong way.

Could you explain, how did one of your players was NOT aware he should stop the clock and inform an arbiter or his captain about a dispute when after 7 moves he found out that his king & queen were on wrong squares ?, Does your club engage with players about some basic rules & regulations in a chess match or are they left to their own devices?.

cdeb wrote: »

Some of the other stuff in your post is just made up.

Examples please ?!.When it comes to analysis & accuracy of info, Sinbad is ..........I'm too humble to say it.

Tim Harding

sinbad68 wrote: »

Could you explain, how did one of your players was NOT aware he should stop the clock and inform an arbiter or his captain about a dispute when after 7 moves he found out that his king & queen were on wrong squares .

Did this really happen: Q and K starting on the wrong squares?

FIDE law 7.2 says the game should be cancelled and restarted.
Or if it's just the board wrongly set up (dark square at RH corner) the game should be transferred to a new board.

cdeb

sinbad68 wrote: »

I said at least 2 or more players

We'll have to sign some new players so - cos we don't have 2 or more players to drop down.

sinbad68 wrote: »

Examples please ?!

Pretty much the parts of your post I wasn't bothered quoting.

Tim Harding wrote: »

Did this really happen: Q and K starting on the wrong squares?

It did, yep. (This was in the BEA, not the O'Hanlon) Just two relatively inexperienced players who weren't aware of what exactly to do in the situation. It happens; you live and learn.

sinbad68

cdeb wrote: »

We'll have to sign some new players so - cos we don't have 2 or more players to drop down.

Really?!, You don't have couple of players to drop down !

http://leinsterchess.com/lcu1516/div1/panel2.htm

10 players rated over 1550 in Benildus B Panel in the link above, and you don't have players ?. It seems that you have created an alternate reality as a form of defence mechanism, No one did more for benildus promotion to armstrong last year than ciaran ruane, and he didn't play against Bray, If any player deserves a place on the team, it is him.

cdeb wrote: »

Pretty much the parts of your post I wasn't bothered quoting.

Smart move as it would be a waste of time.

cdeb wrote: »

It did, yep. (This was in the BEA, not the O'Hanlon) Just two relatively inexperienced players who weren't aware of what exactly to do in the situation. It happens; you live and learn.

Why don't you "teach and they learn", instead of "live and learn" and pay a price ?. Just like the chess clock , players should be told to spend a few minutes, reading the basic rules of of conduct in chess.

cdeb

Sigh.

Not going to go any further into this, but just to correct you (again) -

sinbad68 wrote: »

10 players rated over 1550 in Benildus B Panel in the link above, and you don't have players ?

We have for the past few years tended to go with squads of 9 for the 8-man teams; it's worked very well and we've never had all 9 players available at one time. So at best we have one player to drop down (not "at least two or more players"), and even then, we've gone with ten for a reason (and I don't see the reason to go into team selection here) Remember, we're trying not to do a Rathmines here.

sinbad68 wrote: »

Smart move as it would be a waste of time.

These two statements for a start are untrue -

sinbad68 wrote:

with anyone over 1500 rated asking to play in armstrong

sinbad68 wrote:

Benildus planner[...]giving himself The short straw more often than others

sinbad68 wrote:

Why don't you "teach and they learn"

We do, but there's always newer players, and there's always a first time coming up against something like this. Now the guy knows - but there'll be another new player coming up next. So, as I say, you live and learn.

sinbad68

cdeb wrote: »

Sigh.

Not going to go any further into this, but just to correct you (again) -

Remember, we're trying not to do a Rathmines here.

You are the one in need of correcting all the time, just like the blogger on benildus website , a lot of comments on the blog over there are from people coming and telling the blogger that he is wrong and giving bad info,year after year, he lives but doesn't seem to learn !.

As for Rathmines, the exact opposite of what you say is correct, Rathmines A was full of high rated unreliable players and Rathmines B was full of more reliable but weaker players. Had they dropped even one decent player from rathmines B to heidenfeld, he could have subbed for Rathmines A and saved both their Rathmines A and likely their heidenfeld team as well . Rathmines A got relegated by the skin of their teeth.

cdeb wrote: »

We do, but there's always newer players, and there's always a first time coming up against something like this. Now the guy knows - but there'll be another new player coming up next. So, as I say, you live and learn.

That guy knows but many still don't. Prevention is better than cure , players should be taught a few basic rules before they start to play tournaments.

eclipsechaser

Gonzaga 3.5 - 2.5 St. Benildus

Good showing from the Benildus youngsters.

cdeb

Didn't know we got the draw in the last game

Delighted with that!

2bts

shame about the 'aul fellas

cdeb

Had to let Gonzaga get something I guess.

iriship

Hi lads update,
today
Gory 4.5 v 1.5 Ballinasloe

Bad Bishop

Yep it was gory for Ballinasloe!

Endgame

Drogheda 3.5 Bray 2.5

Endgame

Aer Lingus 3 Drogheda 3

JohnLoughran

Royal Lopez 1.5 - Skerries 4.5

cdeb

St Benildus 3½-2½ Inchicore.

Think we were winning at some stage in each of the games we didn't end up winning.

2bts

Skerries 5 - 1 St. Benildus (w/o on Bd 6).

cdeb

Celbridge 1½-4½ Gorey
Ballinasloe 3-3 Royal Lopez

cdeb

Gonzaga 5½-½ Drogheda

cdeb

St Benildus 2-4 Ballinasloe

Bit of a rag-tag team for us; four of the players had played one league game between them this season!

cdeb

Gorey 3-3 Elm Mount. Great draw for Eugene McMorrow against Manuel Gardenes on the top board.

Drogheda 1½-4½ Inchicore.

L1m1tless

Well done Eugene, great result.

cdeb

Aer Lingus 2½-3½ Gonzaga.

Great result for Aer Lingus, and with 5 players too, albeit against a weaker Gonzaga team that's played in previous matches. Mick Keogh (1385) beat Ray Byrne, while Arthur McSwiney (1285) drew with David 1700 Murray.

Royal Lopez beat Celbridge 4½-1½ in the outside-of-Dublin-but-weeknight derby; leaves Celbridge in real trouble at the bottom.

Bray - also in the bottom two - play Skerries tomorrow to end round 6. They're six points adrift of St Benildus in tenth, with Celbridge five points adrift of safety, and hosting St Benildus next round.

[B]Pos	Team	        MP	GW	GD	GL	Pts[/B]
1	Gonzaga	        6	24	8	4	28    
[U]2	Gorey	        6	20	8	8	24    [/U]
3	Ballinasloe	6	16	11	9	21 1/2
4	Inchicore	6	15	9	12	19 1/2
5	Elm Mount	6	14	10	12	19    
6	Skerries	5	17	3	10	18 1/2
7	Royal Lopez	6	11	11	14	16 1/2
8	Drogheda	6	8	15	13	15 1/2
9	Aer Lingus	6	7	16	13	15    
[U]10	St Benildus	6	11	7	18	14 1/2[/U]
11	Celbridge	6	6	7	23	9 1/2
12	Bray/Greystones	5	4	9	17	8 1/2

mikhail

cdeb wrote: »

... drew with David 1700 Murray...

Cruel parents to name their kid like that, I say.

DmanDmythDledge

Result of Bray-Skerries?

cdeb

5½-½ to Skerries

cdeb

Celbridge 5-1 St Benildus

Disaster of a result for us, not helped by having two players pull out the night before the match!

Means there's now just one point between us and Celbridge.

cdeb

Inchicore ½-5½ Gonzaga

Endgame

Skerries 3-3 Drogheda, a stronger Drogheda squad got a good result, badly needed as they were slipping towards the drop zone after two bad losses in previous rounds

Pushyawn

Aer Lingus 2.5 Inchicore 3.5

cdeb

St Benildus 4-2 Elm Mount

Potentially huge result for us

cdeb

Bray 3½-2½ Celbridge was last night's other result.

Bad result for Celbridge, who are back in trouble now.

sinbad68

cdeb , I made a statement Last October

sinbad68 wrote: »

This problem is due to poor planning and decision making by benildus team planners .Benildus in the league are unbalanced as a club, they have two teams in armstrong and then nothing til division 4, with anyone over 1500 rated asking to play in armstrong, the planner has obliged , meaning they are overloaded with players in armstrong as was the case in Bray vs Benildus B, where couple of benildus players had to take a break to make room for others to play, then benildus keeps giving walkovers in lower divisions due to lack of players.At least two or more players in armstrong panels should be moved to division 4 with a promise of a subbing up for amrstrong if they are needed, instead of the current situation.

and you responded by this

cdeb wrote: »

Ah yes, sinbad knows everything as per usual. :rolleyes:

We had three games on Saturday, and there wasn't much we could do about it. One was due to be played the previous Saturday, but we had to move it because it clashed with a schools tournament. We couldn't move it back the previous week as the same team had a game that week as well. We couldn't move our Bodley game forward because Enniscorthy couldn't play the next week or the week after (which was why they'd asked us to move their BEA game against us in the first place). We couldn't really ask Drogheda to move two matches (one BEA and one O'Hanlon) just to suit us - they'd already been quite accommodating by moving the BEA game.

You made it sound that the early walkovers happened because of a perfect storm and then you said this

cdeb wrote: »

Had we just had the two matches, we'd have had full teams.

Your above statements is now proved WRONG and I hope you admit it ,You kept giving walkovers again & again

http://leinsterchess.com/lcu1516/div4/team12.htm

While Benildus Armstrong B team captain has to lay off couple of players in every round as he has too many players in his panel and strong players in Armstrong B team have made way for weaker juniors to play and hurting B team standing in the league table , Your O'Hanlon team has been starving for players all season and in a relegation battle because of BAD planning as I said, TERRIBLE strategy indeed, and all because, The man from Del monte said YES to anyone who wanted to play in Armstrong.

cdeb

Ballinasloe 0-6 Gonzaga; Bray 4-2 Gorey the latest results.

Bray had looked dead and buried a while back, but have now won three matches in a row. Great turnaround for them, though they're still likely to be in the bottom two come the start of final day.

Celbridge look gone - they play Gonzaga next, which won't be easy. But anyone from Elm Mount down could join them in the BEA - Elm Mount need to get a solid score against Drogheda in round 10 as they're up against Gonzaga in the last round.

JohnLoughran

Aer Lingus 2.5 - 3.5 Skerries tonight.
Any result of Elm Mount vs Drogheda?

midajoh

JohnLoughran wrote: »

Aer Lingus 2.5 - 3.5 Skerries tonight.
Any result of Elm Mount vs Drogheda?

Drogheda are playing Elm Mount tonight in the club. I'll be there so as soon as I know the result I will post it here.

midajoh

midajoh wrote: »

Drogheda are playing Elm Mount tonight in the club. I'll be there so as soon as I know the result I will post it here.

Drogheda 3 Elm Mount 2 with 1 game to be played later thus week.

cdeb

St Benildus 4 - 2 royal lopez

Looks like we're safe now

Rathminor

Gonzaga champions,
skerries also promoted

2bts

Correction
Aer Lingus 2 - 4 St. Benildus
Royal Lopez played Bray/Greystones

cdeb

4-2 v Lopez was from last week.

Aer lingus and Celbridge relegated.

Houdini act from Bray; well done to them.