Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Liam O

Gbear wrote: »

You'd want to be mental to think anything otherwise to be honest.

Mata is just so much more clinical, both with his final ball and his finishing.

You could argue elements of Coutinho's game are better - strength on the ball, pace, dribbling, work rate or what have you, but the most important thing is what those kinds of players do with the final ball or the finish and Mata is streets ahead on that front, as was evidenced by Coutinho's recent atrocious efforts on goal and how Mata basically single-handedly made **** of us last year against Utd.

Mata's not perfect and he's a liability in some senses that has to be covered for, but his output is very very good.

I think Coutinho would appear to have more talent and he could definitely surpass what Mata has done on an individual basis but the notion that he's the finished article, that he's better than Mata when there's very simple and quantifiable reasons why that isn't the case, and we're about to lose him to Barca for £50m seems daft to me when you compare the talent there that would keep his arse firmly on the bench.

No you're wrong, Mata is terrible because Chelsea sold him. For 37m. To Manchester United. Clearly in decline.

I do enjoy watching Coutinho. A real sense of not knowing if he is going to hit the top corner or row z. Looks great when it comes off and he is getting a bit more consistent. I think he could make the step up but I don't think he'd see as much of the ball at any other team so it would have to be at Liverpool he does it.

Tipsy McSwagger

Liam O wrote: »

No you're wrong, Mata is terrible because Chelsea sold him. For 37m. To Manchester United. Clearly in decline.

I do enjoy watching Coutinho. A real sense of not knowing if he is going to hit the top corner or row z. Looks great when it comes off and he is getting a bit more consistent. I think he could make the step up but I don't think he'd see as much of the ball at any other team so it would have to be at Liverpool he does it.

Caovyn Lineah

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

At least 8 attempts against Carlisle ended up in the kop/Anfield Rd end.

Vicxas

Jesus wept this is like toddlers lumping sh1te at each other.

MD1990

Gbear wrote: »

You'd want to be mental to think anything otherwise to be honest.

Mata is just so much more clinical, both with his final ball and his finishing.

You could argue elements of Coutinho's game are better - strength on the ball, pace, dribbling, work rate or what have you, but the most important thing is what those kinds of players do with the final ball or the finish and Mata is streets ahead on that front, as was evidenced by Coutinho's recent atrocious efforts on goal and how Mata basically single-handedly made **** of us last year against Utd.

Mata's not perfect and he's a liability in some senses that has to be covered for, but his output is very very good.

I think Coutinho would appear to have more talent and he could definitely surpass what Mata has done on an individual basis but the notion that he's the finished article, that he's better than Mata when there's very simple and quantifiable reasons why that isn't the case, and we're about to lose him to Barca for £50m seems daft to me when you compare the talent there that would keep his arse firmly on the bench.

You have not been watching Barca then. Very very thin squad . Iniesta has to be rotated & Rakitic is off form. Coutinho would get lots of games & I think he would get in to there 11. Suarez & Neymar both pretty much said they want him at Barca.

Caovyn Lineah

Aww Tipsy, why did you delete your post telling me to post in the United thread?

Tipsy McSwagger

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

At least 8 attempts against Carlisle ended up in the kop/Anfield Rd end.

Well if you exclude those 8 attempts he didn't miss any.

Caovyn Lineah

MD1990 wrote: »

You have not been watching Barca then. Very very thin squad . Iniesta has to be rotated & Rakitic is off form. Coutinho would get lots of games & I think he would get in to there 11. Suarez & Neymar both pretty much said they want him at Barca.

I've already resigned myself to the fact that he will be leaving next summer, I just hope he goes about it in the right way.

Pyjamarama

But the big question lads is "who's better Mighty Red of Fred the Red"

Caovyn Lineah

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Well if you exclude those 8 attempts he didn't miss any.

That's not what you said the first time now was it?

MD1990

A performance Mata could only dream of.

Mata may be more be clinical but thats the only thing he has over Coutinho.

Caovyn Lineah

MD1990 wrote: »

A performance Mata could only dream of.

Mata may be more be clinical but thats the only thing he has over Coutinho.

I'm incredibly excited to see him linking up with Suarez, Neymar and Messi.

SlickRic

Mata wins. Stop being ridiculous.

Clyne and Darmian? Toss a coin.

Now, let's move on.

Kerrigooney

klose

Some pretty mad quotes from rodgers in the media tonight, he has lost it.

Potential Underachiever

Mata all day long if we're being honest.

I wouldn't be as worried as others about Coutinho leaving, he needs major improvements in consistency before someone like Barca come calling, he can be incredibly frustrating in a lot of games.

firemansam4

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I'm incredibly excited to see him linking up with Suarez, Neymar and Messi.

Your excited to see arguable Liverpool's best player playing for another club?
Are you really a Liverpool fan?

Tipsy McSwagger

klose wrote: »

Some pretty mad quotes from rodgers in the media tonight, he has lost it.

What outside group is he talking about?

Rayne Wooney

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

What outside group is he talking about?

He said there is a group of people who want him out of the job

Probably the fans Brendan

Kerrigooney

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

What outside group is he talking about?

The Illuminati.

Tipsy McSwagger

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 3m3 minutes ago
Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 1m1 minute ago
Rodgers: "I think I’ve shown, without being arrogant, that with a talented group of players I can compete at the top end."

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 1m1 minute ago
BR: "There are very short memories in football. LFC was 8th when I got here. We built a team to excite people & should've won the league."

I think Rodgers has lost the plot.

Knex*

Tbh, if he didn't think that way, I'd be a lot more worried for the man.

Tipsy McSwagger

Knex. wrote: »

Tbh, if he didn't think that way, I'd be a lot more worried for the man.

He's blaming everyone but himself. He's saying the players he has are not good enough, well he bought them so he can fcuk right off.

Kerrigooney

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 1m1 minute ago
BR: "There are very short memories in football. LFC was 8th when I got here. "

I think Rodgers has lost the plot.

Someone should tell him we're in 8th at the moment or he could end up looking silly.

Potential Underachiever

I'm sure people will have ****fits about the quotes but I've no problem with them at all, in fact I actually like Rodgers and how he talks about the club so I'm in the minority no doubt. What ye gonna do!

MD1990

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 3m3 minutes ago
Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 1m1 minute ago
Rodgers: "I think I’ve shown, without being arrogant, that with a talented group of players I can compete at the top end."

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 1m1 minute ago
BR: "There are very short memories in football. LFC was 8th when I got here. We built a team to excite people & should've won the league."

I think Rodgers has lost the plot.

The 2nd quote is poor. Kind of like blaming the players despite nearly all his signings being very poor. And the player he didn't want (Sturridge) is probably the player who coud save his job.

Turtyturd

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Someone should tell him we're in 8th at the moment or he could end up looking silly.

And we were 6th alphabetically when he got here.

Kerrigooney

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

I'm sure people will have ****fits about the quotes but I've no problem with them at all, in fact I actually like Rodgers and how he talks about the club so I'm in the minority no doubt. What ye gonna do!

He's let his mouth get the better of him again.

Win a game and suddenly he's Billy big balls. Where was he when we were absolutely shite against Carlisle?

googled eyes

He's talking shyte.


edit: the App really shags up other languages?

Tipsy McSwagger

MD1990 wrote: »

The 2nd quote is poor. Kind of like blaming the players despite nearly all his signings being very poor. And the player he didn't want (Sturridge) is probably the player who coud save his job.

The first quote is bizarre. How is he a better coach now than when he got us to second place?

MightyMandarin

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Viktor Fagerström ‏@ViktorFagerLFC 3m3 minutes ago
Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

I'm sorry but he can go f*ck himself if he's going to take sole ownership for nearly winning the league.

First lesson in football: It's a team game with 11 players on the pitch and five on the bench.

Tipsy McSwagger

Kerrigooney wrote: »

He's let his mouth get the better of him again.

Win a game and suddenly he's Billy big balls. Where was he when we were absolutely shite against Carlisle?

Hiding in his office.

Kerrigooney

googled eyes wrote: »

He's talking shyte.


edit: the App really shags up other languages?

I saw that. I thought you were having a stroke.

googled eyes

There is no I in team Brendan !

Agent Coulson

Rodgers: "I think I’ve shown, without being arrogant, that with a talented group of players I can compete at the top end


Not the club.

Knex*

Ah lads. Getting worked up over nothing.

If FSG have no intention of sacking him, then its far better for Liverpool that he still has confidence in himself and his methods, than if he became totally meek.

All the top managers in the game back themselves like this, especially when it gets messy. Not saying that Rodgers is a top manager, but the point still stands. If he was unsure in statements and lacking confidence, everyone would be quoting him saying he's done, defeatist language, or that its clear he has no business managing a top club, etc.

Ye're blowing this out of proportion because you're annoyed with how things are panning out. These quotes are not the issue.

Grayditch

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

He said there is a group of people who want him out of the job

Probably the fans Brendan

It's definitely not non fans, god love him. They seem happy enough.

Knex*

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Rodgers: "I think I’ve shown, without being arrogant, that with a talented group of players I can compete at the top end


Not the club.

I would imagine the question aimed at him was probably at a personal level, such as "Do you think you're still capable to manage here", etc.

Stop making me defend Rodgers, for God sake!

corwill

In case anyone's looking for a source - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11894708/Liverpool-news-Under-pressure-Brendan-Rodgers-hits-out-at-hysteria-over-his-Liverpool-future.html

He really doesn't do himself any favours.

Potential Underachiever

Thread does not disappoint!


Knex the voice of reason.

Agent Coulson

Knex. wrote: »

I would imagine the question aimed at him was probably at a personal level, such as "Do you think you're still capable to manage here", etc.

Stop making me defend Rodgers, for God sake!

So Brendan who nearly won the league two seasons ago?

Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

Grayditch

Quote fine. Results bad.

Knex*

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So Brendan who nearly won the league two seasons ago?

Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

In the context, its fine. You can't have it both ways, anyway. Wanting him out for results, but on the flip side, giving out when he takes credit for results in a different time period.

Its all or nothing.

As Grayditch said, quotes are fine. Results are bad. The latter is clouding the former here for many.

Rayne Wooney

Knex. wrote: »

Ah lads. Getting worked up over nothing.

If FSG have no intention of sacking him, then its far better for Liverpool that he still has confidence in himself and his methods, than if he became totally meek.

All the top managers in the game back themselves like this, especially when it gets messy. Not saying that Rodgers is a top manager, but the point still stands. If he was unsure in statements and lacking confidence, everyone would be quoting him saying he's done, defeatist language, or that its clear he has no business managing a top club, etc.

Ye're blowing this out of proportion because you're annoyed with how things are panning out. These quotes are not the issue.

He's lost the plot a little, Mourinho wasn't calling himself a special one before he won the champions league was he?

There's confidence but Rodgers crosses that line by such a distance he's closer to God complex at this stage

MD1990

I think Rodgers is saying I because he is referencing about all the specualtion about his future as manager. Because if he had that sort of attitude around the players they would stop playing for him.

Knex*

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

He's lost the plot a little, Mourinho wasn't calling himself a special one before he won the champions league was he?

There's confidence but Rodgers crosses that line by such a distance he's closer to God complex at this stage

He hasn't come out and called himself the special one though, has he?

He simply restated his belief that he can win titles and used the most tangible thing he could to reinforce that statement - 2013/2014.

Nobody had an issue when he was first signed as manager when he said he believed he could win the league, did they?

There'd have been a commotion then if he lacked confidence and conviction, I don't see how that ever changes at a top club.

I still want him out, but the reaction to this is nuts.

Tipsy McSwagger

Is he having a pop at the owners when he says he doesn't have the right tools? Are they going to be happy that after 4 years and £300 million spent he's basically saying the squad isn't good enough?

Agent Coulson

Knex. wrote: »

In the context, its fine. You can't have it both ways, anyway. Wanting him out for results, but on the flip side, giving out when he takes credit for results in a different time period.

Its all or nothing.

As Grayditch said, quotes are fine. Results are bad. The latter is clouding the former here for many.

What has he actually achieved in 3 seasons as Liverpool manager?

Results suggest nothing.

Rodgers is all smoke and mirrors.

googled eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UplJBQi_0_w

Knex*

MD1990 wrote: »

I think Rodgers is saying I because he is referencing about all the specualtion about his future as manager. Because if he had that sort of attitude around the players they would stop playing for him.

Hardly though. Not unless he shows complete incompetence in the training ground, which I doubt he does.

Top tier club managers all over the world talk like this, especially when their back is to the wall. You have to back yourself.