Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:07pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

Suaraz, Sterling, Hendo all improved under Rodgers

ricero · 28-09-2015 12:08pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

Jordan henderson has come along leaps and bounds under rodgers it must be said

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-09-2015 12:10pm

Mr.H wrote: »

Suaraz, Sterling, Hendo all improved under Rodgers

Read again, bought in the last 2 years.

rob316 · 28-09-2015 12:10pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

You seriously cant believe that? Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson, Coutinho all have improved under him.

EDIT: The greater question should be asked is why haven't the new recruits improved. My guess is Rodgers never wanted most or doesn't trust them.

He's proven he cant manage our club but he can coach be fair.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:12pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Read again, bought in the last 2 years.

I know what you said but gave the benefit of the doubt that surely you dont mean only players that are bought can benefit from coaching??

Surely players bought are less hoped to need coaching than those already at the club?

NukaCola · 28-09-2015 12:13pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How is he an excellent coach when there hasn't been a single player bought in the last 2 years who has improved their form under Rodgers? In fact nearly every player has regressed.

Can? Got his first full International cap a few months back also as a result.

brevity · 28-09-2015 12:14pm

You would think we start to prepare better for the inevitable time that one of our star players leave. I mean Porto, Dortmund and Atletico are able to manage this, why can't we.

For a club that is so old we are incredibly green at times.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 12:14pm

ricero wrote: »

Jordan henderson has come along leaps and bounds under rodgers it must be said

He was highly regarded and we paid a lot of money for him at the time you could say this was his natural progression as he aged.

I actually think Rodgers probably a very good coach just not a manager.

Of the 31 players brought to the club while Rodgers is manager most stayed at the same level or regressed.

Coutinho could be seen really as the only player to have gotten better under Rodgers.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:17pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He was highly regarded and we paid a lot of money for him at the time you could say this was his natural progression as he aged.

I actually think Rodgers probably a very good coach just not a manager.

Of the 31 players brought to the club while Rodgers is manager most stayed at the same level or regressed.

Coutinho could be seen really as the only player to have gotten better under Rodgers.

Sterling and Suarez both got ALOT better under Rodgers

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 12:25pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He was highly regarded and we paid a lot of money for him at the time you could say this was his natural progression as he aged.

I actually think Rodgers probably a very good coach just not a manager.

Of the 31 players brought to the club while Rodgers is manager most stayed at the same level or regressed.

Coutinho could be seen really as the only player to have gotten better under Rodgers.

So when Suarez was signed from Ajax he was regarded as the 3rd best player in the world?

Sturridge was regarded as Englands best striker?

Stop talking rubbish.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 12:28pm

Mr.H wrote: »

Sterling and Suarez both got ALOT better under Rodgers

So two players that are hugely regarded in world football go better under a coach shocker one the club paid millions for as a 15/16 year old the other one was one of the top South American footballers in Europe when he signed for the club.

What about the other 40 to 50 players he worked it at Liverpool most have stood still or regressed.

He said himself yesterday...

Rodgers: "I think I’ve shown, without being arrogant, that with a talented group of players I can compete at the top end

What can he do when he has 31 average to good players that he oversaw come into the club.

dogbert27 · 28-09-2015 12:28pm

Mr.H wrote: »

Dalglish qualified for europe through a cup

The cretin. He should have forsaken the cup and concentrated on finishing 6th.

Mr.H wrote: »

His league form was a joke. Rodgers inherited old players who were on huge wages. He reduced the average age by about 5 years.

We were in 5th place in February that year 4 points behind 4th place. We then went on a bad run. If Rodgers is being allowed to go on a bad run from March to the end of the season why don't you give Dalglish the same benefit.

Mr.H wrote: »

We had 7 players over 28 at the club when Rodgers took over

When you have a squad of 20 odd players at your disposal having 7 players over 28 is not a bad thing. It's called having experience in the squad.

Mr.H wrote: »

As for Rodgers in Europe we topped our group.................... We lost on away goals.............

We finished on 10 points, the same as the two teams below us. We scored one more goal than the team that was third.

We got knocked out in the first knock out stage

Mr.H wrote: »

That was a huge improvement on the season before

Seeing as we were not in Europe the season before of course it was an improvement.

brevity · 28-09-2015 12:29pm

https://twitter.com/FootyML/status/648457143759294464

Barrett: John Henry is not the pivotal figure that he once was. Mike Gordon's influence is now strongest. He has a hands on role at #LFC

https://twitter.com/LFCZA/status/648456013348249600

Barrett: #Klopp is willing to talk to #LFC, a club which has finished outside of top 4 in 5 of last 6 seasons.

Go to his time line for more. Barrett is doing a chat thinking..

murpho999 · 28-09-2015 12:31pm

Suarez, Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling, Flanagan are all players who progressed under Rodgers.

Some of the stuff said against Rodgers here really is just unjustified.

Jesus Wept · 28-09-2015 12:36pm

potato soup and toasted ham and cheese sambo

28-09-2015 12:37pm

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

............
Not replacing Suaraz - BR's fault
Losing Gerrard from the club - Probably BR's fault
Not getting a replacement for an injury prone Sturridge before last season - BR's fault
Making no improvements to the defence while at the club - BR's fault

Replacing Suarez and an injury prone Sturridge to a degree that the replacements would be anyway like who thy are replacing is nigh on impossible imo.

Suarez is in the op 3 of World football, Sturridge is in the top 3 of PL strikers easily, neither are easily replaceable. £30m gets Lukaku, Bony or Benteke, Sturridge is better than them easily, really really difficult to replace.

Jesus Wept · 28-09-2015 12:37pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Suarez, Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling, Flanagan are all players who progressed under Rodgers.

Some of the stuff said against Rodgers here really is just unjustified.

The stadium is progressing nicely too.
Thanks Rodgers.

rob316 · 28-09-2015 12:38pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Suarez, Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling, Flanagan are all players who progressed under Rodgers.

Some of the stuff said against Rodgers here really is just unjustified.

It one's extreme to another, you are either PRO RODGERS or ANTI RODGERS, there is no in between, I try to see the good and bad as do some other posters, and I suggest others should do too it makes for a far better thread.

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-09-2015 12:39pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Suarez, Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling, Flanagan are all players who progressed under Rodgers.

Some of the stuff said against Rodgers here really is just unjustified.

All were bought in the last 2 years I take it? Can you read? I mean I repeated the last 2 years thing but I don't think you understand it.

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 12:41pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

All were bought in the last 2 years I take it? Can you read? I mean I repeated the last 2 years thing but I don't think you understand it.

Does he not coach players that weren't bought in the last 2 years?

Danny Ings looks better than he did last season, does he fit your criteria? Joe Gomez?

Knex* · 28-09-2015 12:45pm

Mike Gordon was brought into the Liverpool side of things around the same time as Brendan Rodgers. How closely is his reputation within FSG tied to that of Rodgers?

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-09-2015 12:48pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Does he not coach players that weren't bought in the last 2 years?

Danny Ings looks better than he did last season, does he fit your criteria? Joe Gomez?

Ings looks the same as the Burnley player he was, Rodgers has barely used him when he should have been playing Ings/Benteke up front while Sturridge was injured. Gomez isn't getting his chance either with Rodgers going with the brilliant Lovren.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 12:48pm

Gordon is in a power struggle at the Red Sox as well.

He has become the second biggest shareholder in FSG this year as well.

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 12:48pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Ings looks the same as the Burnley player he was, Rodgers has barely used him when he should have been playing Ings/Benteke up front while Sturridge was injured.

Lies.

And you forgot your opinion on Joe Gomez.

rob316 · 28-09-2015 12:50pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

All were bought in the last 2 years I take it? Can you read? I mean I repeated the last 2 years thing but I don't think you understand it.

That's a cop out of a statement and if anything is an even further indictment of the previous manager. We just forget Sturridge, Coutinho and Sakho because it suits your argument? I think a lot of the players bought just proved not good enough for the club not that Rodgers couldn't work with them.

We buy from the middle shelf for big fees, its natural we are going to buy a lot of players not good enough while finding a couple of diamonds.

Ask yourself this, the players Rodger has deemed not good enough have they went on to do anything of note for their new club/clubs?

Rodgers has a portion of the blame for what goes on at LFC but nearly all the noises that come out from inside the club say it is badly managed, and recruitment is right at the top of problems. All potential but how are you suppose to compete at the top of the table or in Europe when your competitors don't work on the same policy?

You and others are blinded by ye're hate for Rodgers, when there is so much more going on.

Iused2likebusts · 28-09-2015 12:50pm

Knex. wrote: »

If we're playing 352, I'd far prefer Gomez in as the 3rd CB than Can, tbh.

He's fine when he's facing the play, but dreadful at defending from crosses. Both when the cross is from his side, or when he's at the back post defending the ball in. The latter in particular he's a nightmare at.

With Henderson out, we probably need Can to step up and become more disciplined in a midfield role anyway, as we lack that speed and mobility. He has a lot to learn though.

Ye I feel can should be played dm in all cup games to get him switched on to that role. Lucas is the best option at the minute but is too slow to cover the gaps that appear in the current formation. As evidenced by the first goal on Saturday Lucas knew what he needed to do but didn't have the pace to do it.

brevity · 28-09-2015 12:52pm

https://twitter.com/RedsOrDead/status/648464270393495552

Knex* · 28-09-2015 12:52pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Lies.

And you forgot your opinion on Joe Gomez.

Ah great. We're back to this "lies" thing.

We were all dreadfully missing it.

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-09-2015 12:53pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Lies.

And you forgot your opinion on Joe Gomez.

He was on the bench for the first 3 games of the season and was played as a right of midfield defensive player against United.

murpho999 · 28-09-2015 12:54pm

rob316 wrote: »

It one's extreme to another, you are either PRO RODGERS or ANTI RODGERS, there is no in between, I try to see the good and bad as do some other posters, and I suggest others should do too it makes for a far better thread.

Yes, agree totally.

Thread is in two camps but I find it unfair of anti-Rodgers posters to argue that he has achieved nothing and has no talent.

Comments like 'Suarez was responsible for 13/14 title challenge are unfair to Rogers and other players such as Coutinho, Gerrard, Sturridge and Sterling on that season.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 12:54pm

dogbert27 wrote: »

The cretin. He should have forsaken the cup and concentrated on finishing 6th.

We were in 5th place in February that year 4 points behind 4th place. We then went on a bad run. If Rodgers is being allowed to go on a bad run from March to the end of the season why don't you give Dalglish the same benefit.

When you have a squad of 20 odd players at your disposal having 7 players over 28 is not a bad thing. It's called having experience in the squad.

We finished on 10 points, the same as the two teams below us. We scored one more goal than the team that was third.

We got knocked out in the first knock out stage

Seeing as we were not in Europe the season before of course it was an improvement.

I did give Kenny the benefit of the doubt. Listen I love Kenny but Rodgers has done great work at the club and that includes his first year.

His first year is hardly a fail!!

Doesnt matter the conditions he topped his group

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 12:54pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

He was on the bench for the first 3 games of the season and was played as a right of midfield defensive player against United.

And Joe Gomez?

MD1990 · 28-09-2015 12:54pm

brevity wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FootyML/status/648457143759294464

Barrett: John Henry is not the pivotal figure that he once was. Mike Gordon's influence is now strongest. He has a hands on role at #LFC

https://twitter.com/LFCZA/status/648456013348249600

Barrett: #Klopp is willing to talk to #LFC, a club which has finished outside of top 4 in 5 of last 6 seasons.

Go to his time line for more. Barrett is doing a chat thinking..

Well start to talking to him FSG. If Klopp as it has been generally accepted wants to become our manager. It would be a huge mistake not to apoint him as manager. But like our transfer business we don't tend to do the most obvious things at times.

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 12:55pm

Knex. wrote: »

Ah great. We're back to this "lies" thing.

We were all dreadfully missing it.

If someone is going to make a statement I fully expect them to stand by it. Something that poster continously fails to do.

brevity · 28-09-2015 12:55pm

https://twitter.com/LFCTS/status/648464712351547393

Barrett - Rodgers has been urging his players to shoot more often. The idea will be to have shots when chances are created

Explains Carsile

S. Goodspeed · 28-09-2015 12:56pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Lies.

And you forgot your opinion on Joe Gomez.

Can we really credit BR with "improving" Joe Gomez?? He had him for a handful of weeks. If a manager can have the much of an impact on a player then he really is a miracle worker. I also don't think we can blame BR for Gomez looking like a young player with a lot to learn over the more recent games.

Speaking of full backs, why did BR buy Clyne, a very solid player not suited to wing back play, and then revert to playing with wing backs at the first sign of trouble? It honestly does appear now that he is making it up as he goes along.

Knex* · 28-09-2015 12:56pm

brevity wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LFCTS/status/648464712351547393

Barrett - Rodgers has been urging his players to shoot more often. The idea will be to have shots when chances are created

Explains Carlsile

Please tell me he wasn't watching each shot against Carlisle and thinking, "Yeah, that's it. Next time, though".

corwill · 28-09-2015 12:58pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

If someone is going to make a statement I fully expect them to stand by it. Something that poster continously fails to do.

You have no better grasp of the meaning of the word "lie" than you have of either "faux" or "chance". There's a pattern emerging.

Blatter · 28-09-2015 12:59pm

Mr.H wrote: »

Well I have the facts down mate. Show me I am wrong. I have no issue with you thinking any different. I am just saying that this whole "Sturridge is injury prone" stuff is blown way out of proportion and is often exaggerated.

He missed 6 weeks of football in 4 years before joining us and almost half that is due to a virus.................. which is not an injury

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. You're getting your data from transfermarkt? I wouldn't trust them to have a full account of Sturridge's injuries when he was a younger, less relevant player. I remember at the time Liverpool signed him, one of the doubts surrounding him was his injury record. That wouldn't have been the case if he only missed 6 weeks in four years.

I also remember that last season Rodgers essentially admitted that he was injury prone and can't be relied upon. He has had several problems throughout his career with one of his thighs iirc.

Tipsy McSwagger · 28-09-2015 12:59pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

And Joe Gomez?

What about him? Do you think you can just start calling people liars, get called out on it and then move to the next question? Your'e a sh*t stirrer who latches on to posters who can put their point across better than you.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 1:00pm

brevity wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LFCTS/status/648464712351547393

Barrett - Rodgers has been urging his players to shoot more often. The idea will be to have shots when chances are created

Explains Carsile

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd love to read that notebook he is always writing in and see does it explain anything.

klose wrote: »

Anybody have the paul ince gif handy :pac:

Potential Underachiever · 28-09-2015 1:00pm

This is a new phenomenon, the thread is suffering from a reverse meltdown Monday.

The team won at the weekend, the natives are restless.

Caovyn Lineah · 28-09-2015 1:04pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

What about him? Do you think you can just start calling people liars, get called out on it and then move to the next question? Your'e a sh*t stirrer who latches on to posters who can put their point across better than you.

I don't latch on to anybody on here I'm afraid. But you and your friends stick to your "hilarious" comments trying to take the piss out of me.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 1:06pm

Blatter wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. You're getting your data from transfermarkt? I wouldn't trust them to have a full account of Sturridge's injuries when he was a younger, less relevant player. I remember at the time Liverpool signed him, one of the doubts surrounding him was his injury record. That wouldn't have been the case if he only missed 6 weeks in four years.

I also remember that last season Rodgers essentially admitted that he was injury prone and can't be relied upon. He has had several problems throughout his career with one of his thighs iirc.

Well if you can prove otherwise then my proof stands simple as that

I have shown why I think the way I do and I have backed myself up on my (probably) crazy statement

Rodgers said he cant be relied upon because last year he was missing so much. Not talking about his whole career.

He has had problems over the years (the last 3 to be exact) in his angles mostly which have affected his thighs...........

He has not had long term injuries before last year and that is a fact not a suggestion or opinion.

Surely one season isnt a case for being injury prone?? But tomato potato

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 1:09pm