Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

monkey9

That Palace game was gutwrenching like any loss of a three nil lead would be. But I wasn’t disappointed in the sense that we just lost the league. We lost the league when Gerrard slipped and we couldn’t pull it back. If we had drawn that Chelsea game, we’d have been Champions

We only blew the Palace match because we were still going gung ho for more goals at three nil up, something we wouldn’t have had to do had we got something from Chelsea. I wasn’t full of elation at three nil up thinking we had a chance. All I was shouting for was more goals as I was still gutted from the previous match and the reality that that result had caused.

Grayditch

mormank wrote: »

We weren't trying to close the game out at 3-0. We needed to score alot more goals to possibly be able to win the league on goal difference. You either forgot that or are just being purposefully ignorant to suit your point/agenda. Mis representing the facts just costs us all time cos then someone has to come in and correct you so others don't believe your lies/mistakes. By "you" I mean everyone.

whatawaster

dogbert27 wrote: »

Chelsea didn't come to score. Their tactic was to suck us in which they did, our defence was caught too high up the field and they capitalized on a mistake.
They had a tactic and it worked. We got sucked in to it.

Knowing that a draw would suffice against Chelsea and seeing their negative tactics so early we could have easily changed to play a deeper back line and seen out a dull game.

We couldn't afford a loss in those last 3 games. On paper Palace and Newcastle were wins.

The Chelsea game was the one game that needed to be managed tactically and it wasn't.

Chelsea set out to frustrate us.

I doubt very much they would have sat back and defended for 90 minutes. They had no reason to.

They probably thought their defense would be good enough to shut us out for 90 minutes and they would grow into the game and nick a winner.

It would have been unbelievably dangerous for us to sit back.

ricero

I'd be very underwhelmed if de Boer came in as manager instead of a klopp or ancelloti

whatawaster

monkey9 wrote: »

If we had drawn that Chelsea game, we’d have been Champions

Both the Palace and Newcastle games would have become monumentally harder had we still been in the title driving seat. No guarantee we would have won both at all.

dogbert27

mormank wrote: »

We weren't trying to close the game out at 3-0. We needed to score alot more goals to possibly be able to win the league on goal difference. You either forgot that or are just being purposefully ignorant to suit your point/agenda. Mis representing the facts just costs us all time cos then someone has to come in and correct you so others don't believe your lies/mistakes. By "you" I mean everyone.

I'm not being purposefully ignorant. We weren't able to defend the 3 points.

As soon as Palace scored we panicked due to not having a solid defensive system which is the main point of this current argument.

It's over 3 season under Rodgers reign and we have never had defensive stability.

Knex*

ricero wrote: »

I'd be very underwhelmed if de Boer came in as manager instead of a klopp or ancelloti

I'd really like De Boer, tbh. Especially if he was able to bring a lot of his backroom staff with him.

He's not like the Rodgers appointment either, for me, as he has league titles behind his name and a lot of European experience too.

I think he has a very bright future in the game.

dogbert27

whatawaster wrote: »

Chelsea set out to frustrate us.

I doubt very much they would have sat back and defended for 90 minutes. They had no reason to.

They probably thought their defense would be good enough to shut us out for 90 minutes and they would grow into the game and nick a winner.

It would have been unbelievably dangerous for us to sit back.

We didn't have to sit back, we just didn't have to be playing such a high line in defence.

dogbert27

whatawaster wrote: »

Both the Palace and Newcastle games would have become monumentally harder had we still been in the title driving seat. No guarantee we would have won both at all.

Or seeing as there is no evidence of this only your opinion I will say that the Palace and Newcastle games would have been easy peasy.

Having drawn against Chelsea the pressure would have been greater on Man City for their games.

The fact of the matter is that losing to Chelsea meant that we lost control of the situation.

A draw and it was still in our hands where we only needed the 6 points against Palace and Newcastle and not be having to score as many goals as humanly possible.

brevity

Knex. wrote: »

I'd really like De Boer, tbh. Especially if he was able to bring a lot of his backroom staff with him.

He's not like the Rodgers appointment either, for me, as he has league titles behind his name and a lot of European experience too.

I think he has a very bright future in the game.

De Boer does seem to be a more suitable appointment from FSG's point of view. I've read a couple of pieces about him and he seems to be doing well for himself.

Still would love Klopp though.

PhiloCypher

Connavar wrote: »

I have such a big dislike of Dwight Gayle after that game

He was that years Macheda coming off the bench to derail our challenge before disappearing back into the ether.

Magico Gonzalez

I'd be happy with any of the 3 candidates. I prefer Ancelotti as I think he is more pragmatic and need less lead time to start turning things around.

Bandana boy

whatawaster wrote: »

Chelsea set out to frustrate us.

I doubt very much they would have sat back and defended for 90 minutes. They had no reason to.

They probably thought their defense would be good enough to shut us out for 90 minutes and they would grow into the game and nick a winner.

It would have been unbelievably dangerous for us to sit back.

Agreed
Mourinho said afterwards that Liverpool had won so many games that season by half time he was ensuring that they still had a game to play in by half time.

I guess from that, his plan in second half would have been very different , but a fortuitous goal at the end of the first half meant he had a lead to hold onto and that became a revised plan of second half same as the first please.

If having played a certain way all season were we had put all those teams to the sword ,including a better than Chelsea ,Man City , we suddenly changed had sat back and played kickball , only for Chelsea to knick a goal we would have all called Rodgers a bottler.

I have no issues with Rodgers game plan against Chelsea back then , I have serious issue with his game plan against practically every side from that game to now .

J Mysterio

If you get Frank, you get Ronald, which is nice.

NukaCola

Knex. wrote: »

I'd really like De Boer, tbh. Especially if he was able to bring a lot of his backroom staff with him.

He's not like the Rodgers appointment either, for me, as he has league titles behind his name and a lot of European experience too.

I think he has a very bright future in the game.

I dont want a guy thats good and will/could be great.

There will be a lot of on the job training involved with de Boer. He's a talented manager but has a long way to go. I would love Ancellotti or similar to be hired. The finished article so to speak.

De Boer is a level ahead of Rodgers. Klopp is a level above De Boer and Ancellotti is a level above Klopp.

brevity

J Mysterio wrote: »

If you get Frank, you get Ronald, which is nice.

McDonald?

8-10

kfallon wrote: »

We bottled the league 2 seasons ago, ye can dress it up any way ye want but that's the reality.

When it came down to the crunch and we finally had our destiny in our own hands, we threw it away. From half time in the City game the team became scared/nervous. We got away with it big time against City, we just about clung on at Norwich and then it all went pear shaped against Chelsea and Palace.

That's the long and the short of it, you can go on about 13 wins from 15 or 12 wins in a row but when the pressure was really upon us there were too many players who weren't strong enough to stand up to it.

It's a lot easier to win games when you are going for 4th, 3rd, 2nd (as what happened in that great run) but when you need character to get over the line and lift that trophy we didn't have enough of it! The last 10-12 minutes of the Palace game showed how weak our players were.

Arsenal bottled it that season for me. They were top for 128 days of the season (way more than anyone else) yet finished 4th. Nobody talks about it though because everybody always expects them to fall away.

Agent Coulson

A couple of Dutch newspapers have picked up on de Boer being linked with the job and have been listing pros and cons.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/

8-10

de Boer is a suberb coach, has been doing some really incredible work at Ajax. Dennis Bergkamp would probably come with him too as assistant

MightyMandarin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

A couple of Dutch newspapers have picked up on de Boer being linked with the job and have been listing pros and cons.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/

That's a link to an article about Villas Boas.

Potential Underachiever

MightyMandarin wrote: »

That's a link to an article about Villas Boas.

I know, but he has only used that gag 5 times this week, quotas have to be met.

corwill

whatawaster wrote: »

Chelsea set out to frustrate us.

I doubt very much they would have sat back and defended for 90 minutes. They had no reason to.

They probably thought their defense would be good enough to shut us out for 90 minutes and they would grow into the game and nick a winner.

It would have been unbelievably dangerous for us to sit back.

With Hendo suspended for his red against City, we simply didn't have the midfield personnel to sit back against anyone, let alone Chelsea. Tactics were dictated by lack of squad depth at the worst possible moment.

Not picking up a midfielder that January was madness.

monkey9

What's the craic with that AVB article anyway. Am I missing a punchline?

mormank

Grayditch wrote: »

Wish i knew how to use gifs and other such things. Would at least make for a level playing field.

Knex*

NukaCola wrote: »

I dont want a guy thats good and will/could be great.

There will be a lot of on the job training involved with de Boer. He's a talented manager but has a long way to go. I would love Ancellotti or similar to be hired. The finished article so to speak.

De Boer is a level ahead of Rodgers. Klopp is a level above De Boer and Ancellotti is a level above Klopp.

De Beor has excelled in the situation he has been in. He needs to move on and the talent is there, but I couldn't say for sure that Klopp is a level above him, tbh.

martyos121

Agent Coulson wrote: »

A couple of Dutch newspapers have picked up on de Boer being linked with the job and have been listing pros and cons.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/

Right, that isn't even slightly funny anymore, it's so overused it's unreal.

corwill

martyos121 wrote: »

Right, that isn't even slightly funny anymore, it's so overused it's unreal.

Ah it is a little bit, though.

Agent Coulson

Hangball Doughboy wrote: »

Fair enough, I thought you were having a jab. I'll hold my hands up; soz about that.

Asks you not to make dickish comments but has no problem making them himself.

Agent Coulson

martyos121 wrote: »

Right, that isn't even slightly funny anymore, it's so overused it's unreal.

What did you have for Breakfast

mormank

dogbert27 wrote: »

I'm not being purposefully ignorant. We weren't able to defend the 3 points.

As soon as Palace scored we panicked due to not having a solid defensive system which is the main point of this current argument.

It's over 3 season under Rodgers reign and we have never had defensive stability.

You said we couldn't even close out the game at 3-0 against Crystal Palace, that's not what we were trying to do at 3-0. If it was I'm sure we would have managed it and still lost the league. I'm not disagreeing that we have been basically a defensive shambles under Rodger's entire reign. I just hate it when people slightly change the facts just enough to make it seem believable to suit their argument better, which is what you did, either ignorantly or purposefully. I can forgive ignorance but not intent.

NukaCola

Knex. wrote: »

De Beor has excelled in the situation he has been in. He needs to move on and the talent is there, but I couldn't say for sure that Klopp is a level above him, tbh.

Well, even if I concede that De Boer and Klopp are on the same level, Ancellotti if available would be my absolute number 1 choice.

I'll also add that I wouldn't be appalled with De Boer or anything I know he's highly rated, I just think it will take him more time, why wait when there are better managers available.

martyos121

Agent Coulson wrote: »

What did you have for Breakfast

Don't try to distract me from the matter at hand, I'm still pissed.


But I had the usual, scrambled eggs and toast, found a nice new recipe, worth a look tbh.

DrumSteve

8-10 wrote: »

de Boer is a suberb coach, has been doing some really incredible work at Ajax. Dennis Bergkamp would probably come with him too as assistant

If he is, it won't be by plane anyway.

Washington Irving

martyos121 wrote: »

Right, that isn't even slightly funny anymore, it's so overused it's unreal.

Nah, that was ages back. It became so overused it was annoying but then people started getting upset which made the overuse even funnier than it was at the start.

A sort of boom-bust-boom cycle.

MD1990

Knex. wrote: »

De Beor has excelled in the situation he has been in. He needs to move on and the talent is there, but I couldn't say for sure that Klopp is a level above him, tbh.

Atm Klopp for sure is a level above De Boer who has only coached in the Eredisivie. De Boer has only coached Ajax too. After Rodgers we need a different approach.

martyos121

Washington Irving wrote: »

Nah, that was ages back. It became so overused it was annoying but then people started getting upset which made the overuse even funnier than it was at the start.

A sort of boom-bust-boom cycle.

That actually makes perfect sense. I feel stupid now that I bit.

De Beor would be a great choice.

Was hoping he'd get it last time

garra

Connavar wrote: »

I have such a big dislike of Dwight Gayle after that game

Similarly I hated the site of Michael Thomas until I was forced to concede that if the club can forgive him enough to sign him (after he scored the goal that cost us the league), then I better get behind him too..

Potential Underachiever

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Asks you not to make dickish comments but has no problem making them himself.

At least I commented directly to him, not like your passive aggressive, has me blocked but always referencing me tact.

Saying that the AVB gag that you have used repeatedly lately is unfunny is hardly ground breaking stuff, lots of people I'm sure agree it's tired and tested, yes that's tired not tried just for the record.

Turtyturd

martyos121 wrote: »

Right, that isn't even slightly funny anymore, it's so overused it's unreal.

Sakho says 'WTF?'

Magico Gonzalez

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

At least I commented directly to him, not like your passive aggressive, has me blocked but always referencing me tact.

Saying that the AVB gag that you have used repeatedly lately is unfunny is hardly ground breaking stuff, lots of people I'm sure agree it's tired and tested, yes that's tired not tried just for the record.

You 2 need to go and have breakfast together somewhere.

rob316

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

At least I commented directly to him, not like your passive aggressive, has me blocked but always referencing me tact.

Saying that the AVB gag that you have used repeatedly lately is unfunny is hardly ground breaking stuff, lots of people I'm sure agree it's tired and tested, yes that's tired not tried just for the record.

I was just going to quote your post so he could see it, but I forgot he has we blocked too :pac:

Grayditch

mormank wrote: »

Wish i knew how to use gifs and other such things. Would at least make for a level playing field.

Ohhh, that's just a neutral bystander "oh ****" gif. Don't ever try them on a phone of you want to keep your blood pressure at a healthy level.

brevity

https://twitter.com/GraemeKelly1/status/649974200950722561

FSG just getting the Derby etc out of the way. Rodgers will go the week after. #LFC

Pyjamarama

brevity wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GraemeKelly1/status/649974200950722561

FSG just getting the Derby etc out of the way. Rodgers will go the week after. #LFC

Why would they wait?!?!

Harry Palmr

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Why would they wait?!?!

Common decency! That and the break.

xabi

brevity wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GraemeKelly1/status/649974200950722561

FSG just getting the Derby etc out of the way. Rodgers will go the week after. #LFC

Who is Graeme Kelly? And why would he know?

brevity

I'm guessing the international break is an ideal time for Klopp to get to grips with the new job.

klose

xabi wrote: »

Who is Graeme Kelly? And why would he know?

Reliable "itk" from my time following him anyways, cant imagining him posting that sort of info without any solid details.

Potential Underachiever

Graeme Kelly used to be the main man in the F.A right?!