Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Turtyturd · 12-09-2015 9:18pm

If we are looking for positives....Levron was improved.

niallo27 · 12-09-2015 9:19pm

SlickRic wrote: »

So we weren't unlucky. They defended the chance that 'should have gone in'. They also scored their chances with no luck involved at all. And if you say Martial got lucky, I disagree. He ran at Skrtel and made something happen.

The fact they were rubbish and beat us 3-1 says it all really.

They got lucky by keeping it out they didn't know much about it. Are you trying to tell me Utd were good today. There two goals were from easily defendable situations. Are you trying to convince me Utd looked good.

shamrock55 · 12-09-2015 9:20pm

niallo27 wrote: »

Chance from the corner should have gone in, that was 1 all and different game. Utd were rubbish they created nothing. Two rubbish teams both deserved nothing.

No point saying utd were rubbish, they beat us 3-1

niallo27 · 12-09-2015 9:22pm

shamrock55 wrote: »

No point saying utd were rubbish, they beat us 3-1

They were though. Both teams were awful. How many 100 million spent on both sides for that ****e.

Charlie19 · 12-09-2015 9:23pm

shamrock55 wrote: »

No point saying utd were rubbish, they beat us 3-1

But they were rubbish, that's the frightening aspect of today's occurrences.

shamrock55 · 12-09-2015 9:26pm

Seaba wrote: »

First half shocking from both teams.
Second half United had 3 chances and scored 3 goals, we had 3/4 chances and scored 1.
United are now a good side and we are 'bang average', spineless, rotten etc.

Next week when we beat Norwich (we will) we will be getting slowly back on track and with Sturridge to come back, well....
United on the other hand will draw with Southampton and all their good work from last weekend.....

Dont cod yourself into thinking we will beat norwich, they just beat bournmouth 3-1, whereas we technically lost 1-0 at home to them, by looking at our line up, formations used and where rodgers plays certain players, what in gods name fills you with so much confidence, because from what ive whitnessed this past while i honestly cant see us beating ANYONE!! Atm

Nalz · 12-09-2015 9:27pm

Charlie19 wrote: »

But they were rubbish, that's the frightening aspect of today's occurrences.

In the first half United were poor and slow. Comfortable, but poor.
They were not rubbish in the second half. Maybe in the final third but otherwise its insulting to say their defence and centre mid were rubbish

niallo27 wrote: »

Chance from the corner should have gone in, that was 1 all and different game. Utd were rubbish they created nothing. Two rubbish teams both deserved nothing.

You know whats rubbish? Your post.

Charlie19 · 12-09-2015 9:28pm

Vicxas wrote: »

Another one i cant watch.

I'll watch myself as I switched off the stream when the third went in. Anyways I want to see the goals in hd.

Highly Deplorable.

shamrock55 · 12-09-2015 9:29pm

Id also love to know what our 2 new coaches had to say during that first half of utter garbage

JohnDaniels · 12-09-2015 9:31pm

Falling out of love with Brendan Rodgers

I can pretty much pinpoint the moment when I thought to myself ‘**** me we’re back’. Tucked away in the far corner of a cosy Whitehaven golf club for my nephews christening, surrounded by family, pint in hand, transfixed by that most beautiful of things – the Reds in full flow. Christmas was a few weeks away, and at White Hart Lane, a sullen Andre Villa-Boas looked on like a befuddled uncle chaperoning at an underage disco – the Redmen were killing it. Absolutely ****ing killing it. Yuletide festivities getting into gear and we were rampant. My family ties to the North-West are strong, two of my mum’s sisters emigrated to Manchester in their youth, and as a result I have a large smattering of lovable Mancunian cousins across the Irish sea, they are genuinely wonderful and great people, but steeped, sadly, in the heinous United way. They were all there, all quiet, and I could sense they were hating this.

Rampant, relentless, full of pomp and passing Spurs to death, we were going for the throat. Henderson for what seemed like the millionth time had burst beyond their lines onto a pass, he tried an instant first time ball, its blocked initially but before you could say face-cream he’d nutmegged the full-back with a back-heel to Suarez who chipped a typically precise beauty of a cross into the path of the Scouse Cafu who controls it magnificently on the half volley. One of those Yeboah-like finishes, down, off the cross bar and back into the roof of the net. 4-0. Marvellous. The Redmen are all running to him, Suarez with that big goofy toothy grin is first on top of him, the rest pile on, bedlam. The travelling Kop are going ape **** and all was right with the world. I thought we were on to something. Big-time. As that next five months proved, we were too, so nearly onto that most elusive of things, so ****ing close…and yet.

It’s sometimes easy to forget how unreal the transformation was from that day. It was the day Sterling really arrived. Stepping up from pacey youth team prospect with no end product to the devastating incisive attacker that City would break the bank for. Suarez was mercurial, the signs had always been there from him to be fair, he just had it, that magic stardust in the boots, we knew it from the day Dirk got his hat-trick against the Glams. His first that day denied Luis the goal of goals, tapping in from a yard as the ball was dribbling over the line after the little Uruguayan mentalist had dribbled around 20 Utd players in the space of about 1 yard, or something like that. I’ve forgiven Dirk, because, you know, he scored a hat-trick against them…. but that was a little peak into what we had in store with the little fella.

Books have been written about that title tilt season, some people laugh at the very idea of capturing it as a big story, because ultimately we won diddly squat, but for the first time in forever it felt real again. Style, swagger and big wins, smashing the blue****e to pieces, going to Old Trafford waltzing to a 3-0, taking the piss and being ****ed off because we all knew it could have been half a dozen. The goals. The ****ing goals. Cardiff, Arsenal, Suarez almost dismantling the crossbar at the Annie Road end. Suarez at home to Norwich (I’m still moist thinking about it). The Gerrard moments at West Ham, QPR, destiny, and all that wonderful ****.

Brendan then seemed perfect. An inspired choice. Plucked from Swansea after a decent season, establishing them in the Premier League, some pretty football, some scalps. His CV didn’t offer much else, sacked at Reading, underwhelming at Watford. By all accounts a bright young coach he represented an FSG punt. A punt that nearly delivered the Holy Grail. He talks a lot does Brendan, with that Carnlough dialect of his, a hybrid of lilting North Antrim coast drawl, mingled with a harsh west of Scotland twang. He talked big when he came. Death by football, his dossier, those Anfield Wrap podcasts where he attempted to communicate his philosophy to a fascinated fan base. His talk of “how we will work” seemed clear and certain. His vision for football development, schooled from a youth spent trampling around the continent, observing Spanish and Dutch academies, always focusing on working with the ball, a self-confessed Tiki Taka convert. A believer in merging the battling virtues of the British player with the tactical nuances of the continental style. He talked. I liked it. He believed in himself. Absolutely no doubt. He was managing Liverpool now. To me, the manager of our club should be cocky. Confidence and self-belief – you have to it to get anywhere at this level. Look at the bastards you’re competing with. We all knew Shanks had it, with his catalogue of gems, even Bob for all his understated genius “all these problems at the top of the league” had his moments. Kenny’s withering put-down of Fergie when he pointed to his 4 year old “you’ll get more sense out of her” It’s a thing of ours isn’t it. A very Scouse thing. Be bold, be brash, you’re managing Liverpool Football Club now. Let them know we won’t take ****. That we bow to no-one.

When he said he wanted to make a match at Anfield the longest 90 minutes of an opponent’s life I found myself nodding. That’s what we all want. Build that ****ing fortress again Brendan lad I was thinking. When the dust settled after a debut season of unspectacular mediocrity there were shoots of hope. Sturridge and Coutinho had arrived. We looked a side after that transfer window, the football was good, Phil and Sturridge were linking up (most notably at Newcastle) Suarez was starting to emerge as a one man wrecking ball but ultimately we never saw 2013-2014 coming – maybe some of you did, not me though. Not those giddy heights. It buys a lot of time a season like that, a lot of time. Playing an irrepressible brand of football, one of style and pace, a swagger about us, blowing teams away and competing against the best in England without spending bat-**** crazy amounts garnered from the ill-gotten gains of sinister oil-rich parasites, Russian or middle-eastern.

Then came last season. The hangover of all hangover seasons. From the dizzy heights to the bottom of the ditch, like waking up from a drunken session finding you’d pissed yourself and all you’re grasping is a mouldy cup of poitin with a dribble left, eyes glazed, paranoid and shaking like a leaf. It was that ****ing bad. We lost the 2 top goalscorers in the league. I’ll repeat that. We lost the two top goalscorers in the league. In one summer. One went to a stage befitting his unique genius, the other, was not for the first time, crocked. We suffered. Badly. The performances were dire, the defence was still leaky as it always is with Brendan, but we weren’t blowing teams away anymore. The whirlwind which blew sides away was replaced by something more akin to the whimpering puff of an asthmatic lung. It was ****ing grim. We’d spent cash, loads of it, but really badly. We needed to replace the best player in the league by a country mile, we’d gone with Adam Lallana. A 26 year old playing for Southampton. If you’re 26 and playing for Southampton, chances are you might not be worth £25 million. Potential was secured, Can, Markovic and co. but it just didn’t work. Listen – I’m not going into the mind-numbing tedium of picking apart that summer’s transfer business in forensic detail, those dealings have been dismantled & dissected by thousands of rabid bloggers, respected journos, and plenty of thoughtful and very rational footballing intellectuals. It all came down to one thing. It was just ****e. Nowhere near good enough.

I have one main issue with Brendan’s Liverpool team now above all others, forget the awful defence which he has never shown signs of being able to fix. Ever. Forget the stubborn fixation with Lovren over Sakho, which I find utterly bewildering. Forget the fact that a team that had just been smashed at home by Bournemouth and Leicester came to Anfield and won for the first time in 43 years at a canter. That’s all bad of course, but this is what’s worse. Much worse. The man with the plan, the dossier, with the blueprint on how to build a system of play, has built a team, HIS team, with absolutely no identity. Just what do we do? What is our plan? We have no pace, we aren’t direct, we don’t counter. What DO we do? We pass laterally and aimlessly. Where is the pressing? When he came in the door the talk of Anfield as a fortress was very much to the fore with Rodgers. He said it, again and again. We won’t allow teams to settle, we’ll be relentless. Yet now we just don’t press cohesively. Ever since that incredible one man workhorse, that magnificent little genius packed his bags and headed off to win everything at the Nou Camp that pressing game has mainly vanished. It remerged recently for a half hour spell at the Emirates. That’s it. Can one man alone set such a tone? Maybe he can, but by now a season later after the money that’s been spent surely there should be signs of some solution to coping without him? Surely being able to press effectively requires organisation and fitness qualities which should be the absolute minimum for a manager who built his blueprint on it. Rest with the ball he said, we rest with it alright, as do the ****ing opposition when we have it.

I see nothing there to suggest he will change it. West Ham came to Anfield and sat smoking bloody cigars. One shot on target. One. No pace, no urgency, no plan. It’s his fourth season now. It would be churlish to say the first three games weren’t decent. I said it on the podcast after Arsenal, seven points from those three was an excellent return, we defended well, dug in when needed, a moment of magic done at Stoke, a linesman taking leave of his senses helped see off plucky Bournemouth, but that’s fine – we’ll take those breaks, throw in a genuinely good display at Arsenal, it was encouraging. West Ham though, in one afternoon blew most of that good feeling away. The onus was on us, to take the game to them, to build on the start and get 10 points in the bank. We failed, but it was the manner of the failure that was so abject. Creating nothing, no tempo, no urgency and for what felt like the umpteenth time a team came to Anfield, sat deep, picked a weak spot (on this occasion the left side of our defence) ran at us hard on the counter and killed us. Easily. This isn’t knee jerk- I hope it doesn’t come across as such, I was with Rodgers 100% last season, even when it was going tits up. He needs to learn though, learn from mistakes, and the facts don’t make good reading. We’ve scored more than one league goal just once in the last 12 league matches, against an already relegated QPR. We still concede far too many. Not just over a season, over an entire reign under Rodgers.

I hope I’m wrong about Brendan. I’m hoping we learn from that game, that we can establish an effective pattern of play, be more organised defensively and find a way to get the best out of the potentially magnificent pairing of Phil and Firmino, they could, with the right plan to accommodate them effectively, tear the Premier League up. I really do believe that. Brendan though, the time to step up is now, what is the plan? In that big fat dossier that so impressed the Yanks in Boston I hope you had a section on fight, organisation and passion. Because looking at what’s up the next few away games we are going to need that- in spades. White Hart Lane, Marco Flan Basten and that all conquering swagger we had for 6 months seems an awful long time ago now. Prove me, and a lot of others wrong.

niallo27 · 12-09-2015 9:32pm

Trilla wrote: »

In the first half United were poor and slow. Comfortable, but poor.
They were not rubbish in the second half. Maybe in the final third but otherwise its insulting to say their defence and centre mid were rubbish

You know whats rubbish? Your post.

No your right Utd were brilliant today.

Charlie19 · 12-09-2015 9:32pm

Trilla wrote: »

In the first half United were poor and slow. Comfortable, but poor.
They were not rubbish in the second half. Maybe in the final third but otherwise its insulting to say their defence and centre mid were rubbish
.

Liverpool never really tested the defence. Best team won today, there's no getting away from that But Longford town probably would of beat liverpool today.

Vicxas · 12-09-2015 9:41pm

Charlie19 wrote: »

Liverpool never really tested the defence. Best team won today, there's no getting away from that But Longford town probably would of beat liverpool today.

Thing about Longford town is, they walk it in.

MD1990 · 12-09-2015 9:43pm

Coutinho was a huge loss today. By far our best player.

SlickRic · 12-09-2015 10:08pm

niallo27 wrote: »

Are you trying to convince me Utd looked good.

No.

They were shíte. It makes me angry how shíte they were in beating us 3-1.

We switched off for the first. Gomez made a rookie error for the second. Skrtel shat his pants for the 3rd.

The team is badly picked, inadequately coached, and has been playing badky for months now.

BorneTobyWilde · 12-09-2015 10:13pm

Rodgers has lost faith in his own strengths. He now seems to be trying this and that to get a result. I want the old Rodgers back, that team that pressed and pressed, never sitting off and conceding possession. The team that played without fear,always looking to win ,no matter where we played.

J Mysterio · 12-09-2015 10:14pm

- - - Skrtel - Sakho - - -

Clyne - Lucas - Moreno

- - - - Henderson - - - -

Firmino - Coutinho - Milner

- - - Origi - - - Benteke - - -

Seaba · 12-09-2015 10:14pm

shamrock55 wrote: »

Dont cod yourself into thinking we will beat norwich, they just beat bournmouth 3-1, whereas we technically lost 1-0 at home to them, by looking at our line up, formations used and where rodgers plays certain players, what in gods name fills you with so much confidence, because from what ive whitnessed this past while i honestly cant see us beating ANYONE!! Atm

Rodgers is actually playing people in their preferred positions, this year!

Coutinho, Henderson and Lallana will be back.
We are at home (realise we were at home against West Ham also!)
Hoolahan and Redmond aside they have no one.
Jerome and Matt Jarvis are their other attacking options.

All ifs and buts I know, but we will have enough for Norwich at home, imo.

All ifs and buts again but Christ we had good chances to score today. The amount of times I was up off my seat, looking at Firmino mostly, waiting to see the net bulge and roar, only to sit down again, frustrated.

Again, as I said in the previous post, United are now some how good, controlled etc and we are rotten - it doesn't make sense, but websites need to have a provocative banner and papers have to be sold.

BorneTobyWilde · 12-09-2015 10:16pm

What I hate the most is the fact that everyone of our midfielders receive the ball and turn to face their own goal, not one looks forward or carries ball forward, I miss Gerrard.

Seaba · 12-09-2015 10:17pm

J Mysterio wrote: »

- - - Skrtel - Sakho - - -

Clyne - Lucas - Moreno

- - - - Henderson - - - -

Firmino - Coutinho - Milner

- - - Origi - - - Benteke - - -

Fly goalies then?!
Cool.

Seaba · 12-09-2015 10:19pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What I hate the most is the fact that everyone of our midfielders receive the ball and turn to face their own goal, not one looks forward or carries ball forward, I miss Gerrard.

Thought Milner tried hard today.
He must be thinking 'what have I got myself into'. He wanted to play, and play centrally, but this....!

Nalz · 12-09-2015 10:21pm

niallo27 wrote: »

No your right Utd were brilliant today.

Wtf.Did I fücking say that? No I did not. Shít posting again.

mav79 · 12-09-2015 10:28pm

Seaba wrote: »

Thought Milner tried hard today.
He must be thinking 'what have I got myself into'. He wanted to play, and play centrally, but this....!

There is a reason Milner has rarely been played centrally in the past, his best games all involve him playing further up the pitch. There was no control in midfield again today and neither Milner or Can looked like they could handle being put under any pressure.

12-09-2015 10:30pm

Lads, take it to Pm jaysus!

Is BR still here??

12-09-2015 10:35pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

If we are looking for positives....Levron was improved.

He's defiantly bulked up

BorneTobyWilde · 12-09-2015 10:35pm

It was one of those games that was changed with the scoring of a well worked freekick straight from the training ground. We actually were the better side after we conceded , should of made it 1-1 on more than one occasion . The penalty was unfortunate but Gomez was fully to blame for conceding a silly foul on a player that was heading down a road to nowhere. United 3rd was a pinball that landed at feet of player and all he needed to do was finish which he did with ease, not a special goal at all.

Harry Palmr · 12-09-2015 10:37pm

mav79 wrote: »

There is a reason Milner has rarely been played centrally in the past, his best games all involve him playing further up the pitch. There was no control in midfield again today and neither Milner or Can looked like they could handle being put under any pressure.

The best way not to be pressurised in the middle is to have a way of connecting quickly with the attack, of course that didn't happen as Ings was to the left and Firmino to the right where neither wants to be while Benteke was stuck in the middle on his ownio. No one was making a run anywhere across the front. No out ball, the whole thing would actually have worked better if Mig has just booted straight over the middle at a forward pair.