Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

mormank

I hope we start this centre back pairing against Norwich. I like the look of Sahko and Gomez at the back. I know it will never happen but it would be nice for Norwich.

googled eyes

Someone needs to be following up shots like that, just in case.

googled eyes

Nice save from Mig

Harry Palmr

On the pitch tonight at some point.

Rossiter 18
Chirivella 18
Gomez 18
Ibe 19
Origi 20
Can 21
Coutinho 23
Moreno 23
Ings 22
Brannagan 19

Agent Coulson

If Sakho isn't the first defender on the team sheet at the weekend there is something seriously wrong he has played himself straight into the first 11 after tonight's game.

5starpool

Moreno has done ok tonight I think.

BullBlackNova

5starpool wrote: »

Moreno has done ok tonight I think.

He'll face tougher tests in both his defence and offensive game this season, but I would much rather see him in the team than Gomez atm.

Ibe is looking worse every time I see him. Nowhere near ready for the role he has in the squad.

Utopia Parkway

If Lovren starts ahead of Sakho at the weekend we riot.

googled eyes

Yes its great saying we've lots of young talent and our average age at one point was 5.5 years old. But we should be taking the EL more seriously.
Could/should have won this after going ahead

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

If Sakho isn't the first defender on the team sheet at the weekend there is something seriously wrong he has played himself straight into the first 11 after tonight's game.

He hasn't.
He should.
But he hasn't.

Iused2likebusts

It's going to be the same formation on Sunday I reckon 3421 Clyne and moreno wingback 's coutinho and firmino in behind Benteke.

Magico Gonzalez

mormank wrote: »

I hope we start this centre back pairing against Norwich. I like the look of Sahko and Gomez at the back. I know it will never happen but it would be nice for Norwich.

No way, Gomez is very raw. He has talent but was a mess for their goal tonight. At one point he just sort of winced and looked confused. No way he is ready to play in a back 2 as a CB, nor a back 3.

Has to be Sahko and Skrtel with Gomez on the bench (should be Ilori and Gomez should be serving his apprenticeship somewhere).

Lovren should be at home scratching his arse.

Harry Palmr

FT 1-1

Good points - well a point away is okay, Sakho did well on his return, Rossiter was fine until he ran out of fitness, Chirivella showed some very nice judgement indeed. Coutinho was pretty decent, a few wayward passes aside. Ings toiled well up front. Mignolet apart from that collision had a decent game a few good saves.

Bad points - everything else really. Playing one up is appalling, Origi isolated. Ibe was terrible, really disappointed in his whole game. Can't beat a man, can't run with the ball anywhere useful, didn't track back. Moreno a bit flaky as well with a shin bounce for a first touch too often

Utopia Parkway

Would start Ings up front with Benteke until Sturridge is ready. Coutinho in behind. Enough of this lone striker bollocks. Have a bloody go.

Fowler87

Impressed by young Pedro. Of course great to see our best cb back involved again

Turtyturd

Gomez really poor for their goal again.

Magico Gonzalez

Harry Palmr wrote: »

FT 1-1

Good points - well a point away is okay, Sakho did well on his return, Rossiter was fine until he ran out of fitness, Chirivella showed some very nice judgement indeed. Coutinho was pretty decent, a few wayward passes aside. Ings toiled well up front. Mignolet apart from that collision had a decent game a few good saves.

Bad points - everything else really. Playing one up is appalling, Origi isolated. Ibe was terrible, really disappointed in his whole game. Can't beat a man, can't run with the ball anywhere useful, didn't track back. Moreno a bit flaky as well with a shin bounce for a first touch too often

I think you are being very generous to Rossiter there. Chirivella looked a better player. Rossiter nudged out of tackles easily enough, tried some hollywood passes which went nowhere. I thought he struggled.

Didn't see Brannagan do anything, couldnt comment on him as he didnt get a chance. Out of the 3 Chirivella looked most comfortable.

rossie1977

last 19 competitive games liverpool have only managed to score more than once just two times (when they beat qpr 2-1 in may and newcastle 2-0 in april)

in the last 19 competitive games liverpool have managed just 16 goals

klose

Turtyturd wrote: »

Gomez really poor for their goal again.

Aye, 3 games in a row he has cost us a goal, im all for giving young players a chance but maybe he could do with stepping aside for a couple of games.

JohnDaniels

Does Ibe have a single goal or assist in any of the competitive games he has played for us?

mosstin

Heading over for the Villa game and really not looking forward to it at all. Has become too expensive to watch the dross Rodgers is serving up.

mav79

I thought Rossiter did pretty well tonight, I thought he read danger better than anyone else in midfield and knew where to move into space, while he got knocked off the ball a bit, at least he was making tackles. Always feel its harsh on young players coming into the first team when there is so many changes.

mormank

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

No way, Gomez is very raw. He has talent but was a mess for their goal tonight. At one point he just sort of winced and looked confused. No way he is ready to play in a back 2 as a CB, nor a back 3.

Has to be Sahko and Skrtel with Gomez on the bench (should be Ilori and Gomez should be serving his apprenticeship somewhere).

Lovren should be at home scratching his arse.

While I agree that Gomez is raw, he is also very quick for a centre back, strong and composed on the ball. He looked no worse for their goal than Skrtel was for Martial's goal at old trafford, the guy tonight was hopping the ball on his knee which is quite an unusual situation as opposed to martial who just changed feet. At least Gomez has the potential to improve.

Magico Gonzalez

mav79 wrote: »

I thought Rossiter did pretty well tonight, I thought he read danger better than anyone else in midfield and knew where to move into space, while he got knocked off the ball a bit, at least he was making tackles. Always feel its harsh on young players coming into the first team when there is so many changes.

Chivirella looks like a much better passer to me, based on that game I think he looks nearer to the finished article. I do think Rossiter needs work on his passing still, he was off the boil tonight.

Turtyturd

klose wrote: »

Aye, 3 games in a row he has cost us a goal, im all for giving young players a chance but maybe he could do with stepping aside for a couple of games.

Yep, for his sake as much as anything.

Utopia Parkway

Ibe reminds me a bit of Glen Johnson. And not the good young Glen Johnson but the older indecisive one who seemed half asleep at times.

Maybe too much too soon for him and the confidence is low.

ThunbergsAreGo

rossie1977 wrote: »

last 19 competitive games liverpool have only managed to score more than once just two times (when they beat qpr 2-1 in may and newcastle 2-0 in april)

in the last 19 competitive games liverpool have managed just 16 goals

Thats pathetic, how do we score? apart from hoping for a moment of magic

Magico Gonzalez

mormank wrote: »

While I agree that Gomez is raw, he is also very quick for a centre back, strong and composed on the ball. He looked no worse for their goal than Skrtel was for Martial's goal at old trafford, the guy tonight was hopping the ball on his knee which is quite an unusual situation as opposed to martial who just changed feet. At least Gomez has the potential to improve.

He will be a better CB in time, no doubt, but we need to nurture him a bit. He has been costly in terms of goals and I thought for their goal tonight he looked hesitant like he didnt want to make a mistake. He could have got closer and probably got a head too it.

We dont need any more nervousness in the back 4, Skrtel whatever his faults are, doesnt bring that, he is fairly decisive. Gomez' time will come

rob316

That back line was a mess ibe and can were all over the place. I'd go with Sakho and gomez for norwich game they can't be worse than skrtel and lovren.

I just can't understand it, you have the most success as manager playing with 2 strikers yet now you seem allergic to it. Rodgers is full of fear and not responding to the job pressure. Bordeaux were for the taking, origi and ings could have made something happen it's pointless playing this system.

mormank

klose wrote: »

Aye, 3 games in a row he has cost us a goal, im all for giving young players a chance but maybe he could do with stepping aside for a couple of games.

Slow down there, Can is more at fault for their goal if you ask me than Gomez. Can should have cleared it but instead he tried to take a touch when he intercepted the ball like he always does and wasn't aware there was an oppossition player behind him, like happened many times throughout the game, who then went on to score. Can also came inside for headers a couple of times that he shouldn't have with the ball dropping to unmarked players where Can should have been. Clyne at right back won't be guilty of any of this rubbish.

mav79

How many different combinations of players has Rodgers tried with one up front?

Magico Gonzalez

mormank wrote: »

Slow down there, Can is more at fault for their goal if you ask me than Gomez. Can should have cleared it but instead he tried to take a touch when he intercepted the ball like he always does and wasn't aware there was an oppossition player behind him, like happened many times throughout the game, who then went on to score. Can also came inside for headers a couple of times that he shouldn't have with the ball dropping to unmarked players where Cna should have been. Clyne at right back won't be guilty of any of this rubbish.

The ball is bouncing in front of Gomez, he was nervous, backed off, gave them the chance. He needs taken out of the team and nurtured. He is 18! He is going to be a great player but exposing him like this is no good for his development. Skrtel and Sahko have played together, they know each other.

BullBlackNova

Turtyturd wrote: »

Gomez really poor for their goal again.

I was watching an American stream of the game with former US international CB Alexi Lalas commentating on it. Described Gomez's position in the goal quite well I thought. Basically caught in an awful position where no matter what you do, it's wrong. When the player is juggling the ball like that, if you tackle him you risk a penalty, if you don't you risk a goal.

It something you'll figure out more as you develop, but he's still too inexperienced it seems. In fairness to him, 7 games ago he was playing Championship opposition. Now it's Bordeaux in the Europa league at right-back and centre-back, just days after playing against Man United at left-back. He cant settle into a routine with that sort of set-up.

I'd take him out for a few games.

More culpable was Brannagan I thought who was just ball watching at the edge of the box when the ball broke. Made no steps towards the attacker or the ball so free shot into the back of the net.

NukaCola

Not sure why we played a weakened team? I cant think of one single reason we shouldn't be doing everything possible to go far in this competition.

Surely Ilori should have been kept over Toure and a better option than Gomez at CB?

Ibe looks like he wants to pack it in. Might not be a popular opinion but Markovic would have been a better option if he wasn't ****ed out the door at the earliest chance.

Anyway, not a great performance.........again.

Vicxas

Another pants on head display tonight..

Watching Liverpool play is fast becoming very frustrating

klose

mav79 wrote: »

How many different combinations of players has Rodgers tried with one up front?

Wasent much of a combination imo, origi was so isolated up there tonight.

redzerdrog

Meh

Sick of this ****

It's Hodgson bad

Turtyturd

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I was watching an American stream of the game with former US international CB Alexi Lalas commentating on it. Described Gomez's position in the goal quite well I thought. Basically caught in an awful position where no matter what you do, it's wrong. When the player is juggling the ball like that, if you tackle him you risk a penalty, if you don't you risk a goal.

It something you'll figure out more as you develop, but he's still too inexperienced it seems. In fairness to him, 7 games ago he was playing Championship opposition. Now it's Bordeaux in the Europa league at right-back and centre-back, just days after playing against Man United at left-back. He cant settle into a routine with that sort of set-up.

I'd take him out for a few games.

More culpable was Brannagan I thought who was just ball watching at the edge of the box when the ball broke. Made no steps towards the attacker or the ball so free shot into the back of the net.

Yep I said the same about Brannigan in the match thread, but I guess his dilemma is that if the defence does it's job he wants to be that side of the player for a counter attack.

mormank

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

The ball is bouncing in front of Gomez, he was nervous, backed off, gave them the chance. He needs taken out of the team and nurtured. He is 18! He is going to be a great player but exposing him like this is no good for his development. Skrtel and Sahko have played together, they know each other.

Crivelli was bouncing the ball on his knee, very different situation to the ball bouncing in front of him. I'm not suggesting playing him CB for the season. I feel like if he is gonna be played anyway so I would prefer he is played in his natural position. I agree he was at fault for goals in previous games but that was while he was being played out of position on top of everything else you gotta remember.

shamrock55

redzerdrog wrote: »

Meh

Sick of this ****

It's Hodgson bad

Its worse

SlickRic

What I take away from tonight:

Sakho should be straight in the first XI.
Moreno should come in at LB or LW. His pace going both ways is invaluable.
Rodgers doesn't give a toss about the Europa League.
I still fúcking hate watching us play.

livinginkorea

Sakho, as we all guessed, was good. Made the tackles when it was needed, tracked back well, got in the way, and when he ran with the ball into the middle of the park he didn't keep going like Lovern but passed and got back into position.

How he is not playing every week is beyond me.

brevity

redzerdrog wrote: »

Meh

Sick of this ****

It's Hodgson bad

Some of his comments remind me of Hodgson...

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/_ChrisBascombe/status/644590257518825472

marno21

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/_ChrisBascombe/status/644590257518825472

This quote sums up a lot of what is wrong at the moment. Our best CB, had to be 'patient' so he could boss a game and prove that he should be the first name on the teamsheet.

Brendan's love of Lovren is driving him fairly quickly towards his P45 if he can't see the difference when Sakho comes in

Vicxas

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/_ChrisBascombe/status/644590257518825472

Comes into the reckoning. COMES INTO THE RECKONING!?!

What did sakho do to deserve this kind of sh1t treatment from Rodgers...

Gbear

Just for the craic I'd love to see something like

Firmino

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Benteke---Ings

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Coutinho--Lallana

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Hendo

We could be a ****ter Barca.

We've bought loads of pretty good footballers, who're mostly tough as old roots and are happy to work their balls off.

We've completely failed to leverage that this season.

Vicxas

Rodgers is making Hodgson look like fcuking Shankly lately.

How is he getting so much leeway here...

googled eyes

He comes into the reckoning for the weekend.”

Tipsy McSwagger

Sakho should be the first choice captain and an automatic starter let alone be considered to start on Sunday