The CCCC and other appeals processes-much more harm than good

Mountainlad

Before I start here is the process http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=56581883
I realize in starting this thread that a lot of decisions made by a ref can be viewed from different perspectives so some of the incidents I mention here will cause debate. Nonetheless, I've been thinking about this since last year and on the verge of starting a thread to discuss several times due to incidents that annoyed me. Some of the grievances include:

1) Liam Rushe's 1 league game ban for striking in a championship match
2) Kevin Keane getting off for striking
3) No retrospective action on about 3 players from last weekends game
4) Connolly being found guilty by 3 appeals boards before he gets off because he had "insufficient time to prepare a defense" (I fully understand this is the DRAs fault)
5) Absolutely no action taken by the CCCC with regard to Donnellan pulling on Woodlock (don't think it was mentioned on The Sunday game night show, de facto they don't care)
6) Tom Condon ending Niall O Mearas game last year in the Munster Semi Final, not cited.

These are only the ones I can remember, I do recall Liam Rushe not being cited in 2013 as it was 'dealt with on the pitch' as that would undermine the referee, yet they've no problem undermining the referee today. Tom Kenny in 2008 I think it was got 6 months for his stroke on Cha Fitzpatrick and didn't miss a single game.

Galvin slapped a book out of a refs hands in 2009 (?) and missed 3 months of championship. My problem with that is the severity of the punishment compare with what the main aim of these citing committees should be.

In my opinion, the main goal of a referee is player welfare. Where he fails to protect that, the GAA need to take action to discourage acts which are potentially dangerous. The bottom line is 3 or 4 lads should have seen red last weekend. We all bemoaned the display from both sides last weekend and the cynicism as well as dangerous play at times. All the main protagonists have escaped punishment.

So how can we expect to deter that action this evening if there are no consequences for players actions? In 2007, 3 Cork hurlers were banned for a scuffle before they played Clare. From what I saw that was excessive, but we seem to have gone to far in the opposite direction.


N.B: Not trying to start County wars here, can't think of any Waterford incidents for balance.

Stinicker

The Kerry County Board have a policy of no longer appealing referees decisions. If we do something wrong we accept it and move forward, we take our punishment like real men. The ethos in Kerry is not to get suspended in the first place and to play clean, hard and fair. Players who assault others should not be looking at one game bans etc. they should just be permanently banned from the game.

Fouling and persistent tackling is one thing but to have eye gouging and trying to break jaws etc. these are criminal assaults and just because it happens on the field should be no excuse. I think when the GAA are clearly refusing to stamp down on acts of mindless thuggery then the players who are the victims of it should start taking lawsuits for personal injury against the aggressor and also against the GAA who are actively encouraging a culture of mindless violence by their clear refusal to punish high profile players over it.

It is only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured or worse and we need only look at the GAA's policy on hurling helmets for example to see what they learned from Insurance companies and getting sued enough times.

Players get long bans in Soccer for stuff that wouldn't ever get you a yellow in GAA, yet people here think FIFA is corrupt, the GAA isn't known as the Grab All Association for nothing but their clear bias and corruption will be their own downfall.

Peist2007

Stinicker wrote: »

The Kerry County Board have a policy of no longer appealing referees decisions. If we do something wrong we accept it and move forward, we take our punishment like real men. The ethos in Kerry is not to get suspended in the first place and to play clean, hard and fair. Players who assault others should not be looking at one game bans etc. they should just be permanently banned from the game.

Fouling and persistent tackling is one thing but to have eye gouging and trying to break jaws etc. these are criminal assaults and just because it happens on the field should be no excuse. I think when the GAA are clearly refusing to stamp down on acts of mindless thuggery then the players who are the victims of it should start taking lawsuits for personal injury against the aggressor and also against the GAA who are actively encouraging a culture of mindless violence by their clear refusal to punish high profile players over it.

It is only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured or worse and we need only look at the GAA's policy on hurling helmets for example to see what they learned from Insurance companies and getting sued enough times.

Players get long bans in Soccer for stuff that wouldn't ever get you a yellow in GAA, yet people here think FIFA is corrupt, the GAA isn't known as the Grab All Association for nothing but their clear bias and corruption will be their own downfall.

While it is definitely laudable that the Kerry County Board take refereeing decisions on the chin and do not appeal, i think it is a stretch to suggest Kerry "play clean, hard and fair". Kerry are one of the most cynical teams in the country. Take off the yellow and green glasses.

Peist2007

Peist2007 wrote: »

While it is definitely laudable that the Kerry County Board take refereeing decisions on the chin and do not appeal, i think it is a stretch to suggest Kerry "play clean, hard and fair". Kerry are one of the most cynical teams in the country. Take off the yellow and green glasses.

Ì think someone needs to take off the tinted glasses alright

wackokid

Yerra no, Paul is a lovely lad and macho man is too.
God almighty some people would try to make us swallow any old stink.

bruschi

Stinicker wrote: »

The Kerry County Board have a policy of no longer appealing referees decisions. If we do something wrong we accept it and move forward, we take our punishment like real men. The ethos in Kerry is not to get suspended in the first place and to play clean, hard and fair. Players who assault others should not be looking at one game bans etc. they should just be permanently banned from the game.

Fouling and persistent tackling is one thing but to have eye gouging and trying to break jaws etc. these are criminal assaults and just because it happens on the field should be no excuse. I think when the GAA are clearly refusing to stamp down on acts of mindless thuggery then the players who are the victims of it should start taking lawsuits for personal injury against the aggressor and also against the GAA who are actively encouraging a culture of mindless violence by their clear refusal to punish high profile players over it.

It is only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured or worse and we need only look at the GAA's policy on hurling helmets for example to see what they learned from Insurance companies and getting sued enough times.

Players get long bans in Soccer for stuff that wouldn't ever get you a yellow in GAA, yet people here think FIFA is corrupt, the GAA isn't known as the Grab All Association for nothing but their clear bias and corruption will be their own downfall.

that holier than thou yerra guff is absolute nonsense, and is totally patronising as if Kerry are some sort of saviours of the game.

apart from anything, Kerry were well able to appeal suspensions, pretty much every suspension Paul Galvin got was appealed. Marc O Se has also appealed red cards. Galvin even got Jack O connor to go to a player who had his jaw broken by Galvin in a club game to stop proceedings of a ban to Galvin.

What further adds to the "we are great, we dont appeal" is that Kerry have had very few debatable red cards in recent times, so of course they dont appeal things that arent even there to appeal.

Pretty much nothing in the post relates at all to the OP and the reasonable points he made about a failed disciplinary system in the GAA.

keeponhurling

Stinicker wrote: »

The Kerry County Board have a policy of no longer appealing referees decisions. If we do something wrong we accept it and move forward, we take our punishment like real men.

are you serious, in what year was this brought in ?

Mountainlad

I wouldn't have an issue with teams appealing. The problem is when they are entertained when they shouldn't be. And they should have one appeal, and that's it. Obviously the CCCC aren't an appeals committe, but the CHC should be the end of it. To have 3 appeals committees, it's just ridiculous.

This an amateur game for god sake. Losing its integrity with all this.

Muff Richardson

realise spelt with an 's' please and then I might read the rest.

zetecescort

Mountainlad wrote: »

I wouldn't have an issue with teams appealing. The problem is when they are entertained when they shouldn't be. And they should have one appeal, and that's it. Obviously the CCCC aren't an appeals committe, but the CHC should be the end of it. To have 3 appeals committees, it's just ridiculous.

This an amateur game for god sake. Losing its integrity with all this.

particularly at inter county level when its more than likely on camera from various angles.