Ireland v Georgia Euro Qualifier RTE 2 and SS2 7:45pm

dogcat

The only way that we can top the group is if Georgia beat Germany.

SantryRed

dogcat wrote: »

Only way we can qualify is if Poland lose against Scotland and us, leaving them on 17 points and we win against Germany. So basically, no chance.

What? If Poland lose to Scotland and then we beat them, we'll have 18 points....

ArmaniJeanss

dogcat wrote: »

Only way we can qualify is if Poland lose against Scotland and us, leaving them on 17 points and we win against Germany. So basically, no chance.

Nope, if we win our two then we qualify, wouldn't need favours.

Alex Meier

Say Your Number wrote: »

Dunphy might be going over the top saying we can beat the Germans, but he's dead on about having the right attitude and not being afraid of them, they've regressed since they won the World Cup

No they have not. . . Quit fooling yourself.

There are class players in the Bundesliga who cannot get in the German squad

Ace2007

dogcat wrote: »

The only way that we can top the group is if Georgia beat Germany.

Germany are on 19 points, draw against Georgia gets them to 20, we win both games we can get to 21.

keeponhurling

mackeire wrote: »

Ireland have only conceded 5 goals. Germany and Poland have both conceded 7.
Ireland have the best defence in the group!

We're very binary in that way

irishfeen

dogcat wrote: »

The only way that we can top the group is if Georgia beat Germany.

dogcat

SantryRed wrote: »

What? If Poland lose to Scotland and then we beat them, we'll have 18 points....

I never thought of that. So we're hoping for both of us to defeat Poland and try a draw against Germany?

That_Guy

M!Ck^ wrote: »

People who are stuck in italia 90 mode need to get over it and except that we are an average team with an average manger but we have great spirit and belief and are more than capable of getting a result against Poland and Germany on our day

I don't buy into the argument that we're an average team. We're not world beaters but we can play better than we have been. We show glimpses of nice passing and moving off the ball. These are few and far between because the system we employ is absolute crap. Puke football of the highest order.

I agree that we have an average manager. God awful negative tactics. I could handle that type of system against bigger teams but I can't accept it against teams like Georgia etc.

The "average team" mantra that's bandied about seems to have wriggled its way into the team and these players are not average imo. With a more positive philosophy I think we could have a team worth getting behind.

We're too negative. We might have the best defence but it comes at a price when we sacrifice forward play to sitting deep when it's completely unnecessary to do so against teams like this.

Alex Meier

That lucky deflection off O'Shea. . . Scotland would be out tonight otherwise

Ace2007

dogcat wrote: »

I never thought of that. So we're hoping for both of us to defeat Poland and try a draw against Germany?

No, we can lose to Germany and win against Poland and we qualify automatically, assuming Scotland beat Poland

My name is URL

Are the RTE lads under instruction to put an extra-positive spin on things tonight?

Not trying to take away from it but jaysis like

Kerrydude1981

Dunphy will be tipping the Germans to win the Euro's next year

dogcat

Apparently we're top seed at the moment in the third place lads. This is what it'd look like in full though:
Republic of Ireland
Ukraine
Albania
Israel

---

Hungary
Turkey
Russia
Estonia

LordAwesome

Darragh is losing control of the old folks home!

dogcat

Ace2007 wrote: »

No, we can lose to Germany and win against Poland and we qualify automatically, assuming Scotland beat Poland

Goal difference though?

Kerrydude1981

If good old Bill said that we can beat Germany the three lads would go off the head

RIP Bill

keeponhurling

German are through if they get a draw in Dublin.

Might work in our favour , as in we might get a 0-0 and Germany will be happy enough to see the time t ick away

Kirby

Nib wrote: »

Possible play-off opposition: Turkey, Israel, Ukraine, Estonia, Hungary, Russia, Croatia, Albania.

Estonia and Albania are the only teams we'd beat IMO. Israel at a push.

Hungary are rubbish. No problem getting them.

Turkey are very average aswell but the issue is actually going there and playing them. I watched them beat the dutch 3-0 at the weekend and half of it was the crowd. So on balance we would do well to avoid them.

billymitchell

Versus Scotland, does it come down to gd or results versus each other to determine who finishes ahead of who?

That_Guy

My name is URL wrote: »

Are the RTE lads under instruction to put an extra-positive spin on things tonight?

Not trying to take away from it but jaysis like

I wonder if the FAI bigwigs are having a word in trying to sell more tickets for the Germany game.

Mr.Nice Guy

billymitchell wrote: »

Versus Scotland, does it come down to gd or results versus each other to determine who finishes ahead of who?

It's the head to head record unfortunately.

keith16

A point against Germany would be a huge result for us. We already took one off them and they will be looking at their last two games with tricky wins over Poland and Scotland as job done.

Alex Meier

keeponhurling wrote: »

German are through if they get a draw in Dublin.

Might work in our favour , as in we might get a 0-0 and Germany will be happy enough to see the time t ick away

Yeah . . I can see the Germans time wasting on this one. . . Either that or winning 6-1 again.

Kerrydude1981

dogcat wrote: »

Apparently we're top seed at the moment in the third place lads. This is what it'd look like in full though:
Republic of Ireland
Ukraine
Albania
Israel

---

Hungary
Turkey
Russia
Estonia

Our points against Gibraltar don't count so we only have 9 points



1 Croatia


2 Ukraine
3 Hungary
4 Albania
5 Russia
6 Ireland
7 Israel
8 Turkey
9 Estonia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016_qualifying

Kirby

It's simple from here on out. Its all about our match against poland and scotlands match against poland.

If we match what the scots do, we are through. If the scots lose, we can lose. If the scots draw, we need to draw. If they win, we need to in.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

My name is URL wrote: »

Are the RTE lads under instruction to put an extra-positive spin on things tonight?

Not trying to take away from it but jaysis like

Think Dunphy brought his happy pills with him tonight.

That_Guy

That_Guy wrote: »

I don't buy into the argument that we're an average team. We're not world beaters but we can play better than we have been. We show glimpses of nice passing and moving off the ball. These are few and far between because the system we employ is absolute crap. Puke football of the highest order.

I agree that we have an average manager. God awful negative tactics. I could handle that type of system against bigger teams but I can't accept it against teams like Georgia etc.

The "average team" mantra that's bandied about seems to have wriggled its way into the team and these players are not average imo. With a more positive philosophy I think we could have a team worth getting behind.

We're too negative. We might have the best defence but it comes at a price when we sacrifice forward play to sitting deep when it's completely unnecessary to do so against teams like this.

And this is where our opinions will differ so no point in arguing about it. My expectations for the ROI is realistic and its far easier that way.
I will always be happy when we get results.

Germany had loads of possesion and know how to use it but are weak at the back, all Scotland needed was one or two chances and they scored two.
So that gives me hope.

As for Poland again we should have beaten them in Dublin, and I have no reason not to believe we can't get a result away from home.

dogcat

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Our points against Gibraltar don't count

1 Croatia


2 Ukraine
3 Hungary
4 Albania
5 Russia
6 Ireland
7 Israel
8 Turkey
9 Estonia

That isn't the ranking I was talking about... I was talking about the UEFA co-efficient ranking which the playoffs are determined by, with the four highest ranked teams in the first half and the four lowest in the second half.

keeponhurling

Kirby wrote: »

It's simple from here on out. Its all about our match against poland and scotlands match against poland.

If we match what the scots do, we are through. If the scots lose, we can lose. If the scots draw, we need to draw. If they win, we need to in.

And we play Poland away, Scots play them at home ;(

Kerrydude1981

dogcat wrote: »

That isn't the ranking I was talking about... I was talking about the UEFA co-efficient ranking which the playoffs are determined by, with the four highest ranked teams in the first half and the four lowest in the second half.

Oh right,thats good news so

Kirby

keeponhurling wrote: »

And we play Poland away, Scots play them at home ;(

True but we have the Germany game as a complete bonus. We can lose to Germany and still qualify......absolutely nothing to lose so we might as well have a go

J Mysterio

My name is URL wrote: »

Are the RTE lads under instruction to put an extra-positive spin on things tonight?

Not trying to take away from it but jaysis like

Its hilarious, theres no consistency with them. Dunphys normally saying 'we don't have the players'. Get a win tonight and its 'we have the players but need mkte belief'. :pac:

That_Guy

M!Ck^ wrote: »

And this is where our opinions will differ so no point in arguing about it. My expectations for the ROI is realistic and its far easier that way.
I will always be happy when we get results.

That's fair enough. I don't think we can reach huge heights but we can certainly punch higher than what we're currently doing.

It's a results driven business yes but we have different views on how we go about obtaining them.

Of course I want Ireland to do well. I celebrated like mad when Walters scored. I'll always celebrate when we score and win games or come out with results against tougher opposition.

I just want an Ireland that doesn't feel like a chore to watch. More power to you if you enjoy watching us at the moment though.

obezyana

I watched the match and this thread but didn't bother posting until now. First off there has been some **** spouted on this thread. Every time Ireland play these threads are a cesspool of negativity and it seems as if some posters here would do a better job the MON.

Secondly it is fantastic we got the result we wanted, yes we didn't play the way we would of wanted but we must remember we are not Spain nor are even Wales Georgia are a decent side that can be hard to beat but hey we beat them to keep 3rd spot. I think the Trap mentality is still ingrained in the players minds so MON or any other manager would face difficulty with this group. With two games remaining and a less then impressive campaign we are in 3rd place two behind Poland and 4 behind the world champions.......not so bad, yes we were helped by Georgia beating Scotland on Friday but sure football is about getting results and some luck and we have got lucky with some results

And by the way who do ye all think should be manager??????? seen as ye are all experts. :pac:

Ace2007

dogcat wrote: »

Goal difference though?

No,

Germany win their last 2 games - 25 points
Ireland Beat Poland and lose to Germany - 18
Scotland win their last 2 games - 17
Poland lose their last 2 games - 17

That_Guy

obezyana wrote: »

And by the way who do ye all think should be manager??????? seen as ye are all experts. :pac:

It'll never happen but Allardyce wouldn't be a bad shout. I actually thought he had West Ham playing some nice stuff last season. I think he's a manager than can get the best out of players.

We're more likely to get bloody Sammy Lee though. :pac:

highgiant1985

obezyana wrote: »

And by the way who do ye all think should be manager??????? seen as ye are all experts. :pac:

well I don't like to brag but with my Football Manager CV... I'm clearly the right candidate. :P

obezyana

That_Guy wrote: »

It'll never happen but Allardyce wouldn't be a bad shout. I actually thought he had West Ham playing some nice stuff last season. I think he's a manager than can get the best out of players.

We're more likely to get bloody Sammy Lee though. :pac:

Big Sam .......yeah maybe but I doubt he would take the job as he is pretty much guaranteed a job with a lower level premier league club which would be more attractive than the Ireland job.

LuckyLloyd

An embarrassing sequence of posts here after Whelan, our best player on the night, was booked to miss the next game. He and McClean will be big losses for that tie.

I was annoyed at half time, very annoyed, but in fairness we did up the intensity in the second half and fully deserved the three points in the end. Yet again, we take 12 of 12 points against the bottom two seeds. You can underestimate that all you like as something we "should" be doing, but Scotland have been unable to do it and it might be the difference.

We should all get behind the team for the Germany game. It is in our hands and, who knows, it's sport - anything can happen.

keeponhurling

obezyana wrote: »

And by the way who do ye all think should be manager??????? seen as ye are all experts. :pac:

Try to entice Jimmy McGuinness away from Celtic

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

I thought you meant you felt like that from the start of the campaign

unlikely we were both going to qualify

obezyana

keeponhurling wrote: »

Try to entice Jimmy McGuinness away from Celtic

Haha Jesus we would never leave the 18 yard box so....defensive all the way.....keeping the Celtic connection...how about Lennon?

keeponhurling

efb wrote: »

unlikely we were both going to qualify

Very unlikely that all 3 "home nations" in our group would get through - Scotland, Gibraltar and Ireland

billymitchell

Does having the ball in our court suit us? Usually its the kind of thing that goes against us. Poland really the make or break for us.

Also, if we do qualify, what are the chances we do better than last time? I honestly think we are a worse team now than we were back then. Would another humiliating xampaign set us back further?

keeponhurling

obezyana wrote: »

Haha Jesus we would never leave the 18 yard box so....defensive all the way.....keeping the Celtic connection...how about Lennon?

Defending the D, the scoring zone.
Mourinho could also pull this off, but he's not Irish and doubt he'd even take it.

death1234567

billymitchell wrote: »

Would another humiliating campaign set us back further?

No.

Plus there will be plenty of poor sides in the expanded euros unlike when it was only sixteen teams.

keeponhurling

death1234567 wrote: »

No.

Plus there will be plenty of poor sides in the expanded euros unlike when it was only sixteen teams.

Good point in fairness

ArmaniJeanss

billymitchell wrote: »

Also, if we do qualify, what are the chances we do better than last time? I honestly think we are a worse team now than we were back then. Would another humiliating xampaign set us back further?

With Spain and Italy both getting to the final from our group theres every chance we were the 4th best team at Euro2012.

obezyana

keeponhurling wrote: »

Defending the D, the scoring zone.
Mourinho could also pull this off, but he's not Irish and doubt he'd even take it.

I can imagine it now...... Mourinho cutting Tony O Donahue down to size for asking stupid questions while at the same time blaming some one else for his problems.