Ireland v Georgia Euro Qualifier RTE 2 and SS2 7:45pm

kfallon

PTH2009 wrote: »

Do they actually show the match on the big screens in the aviva when it's on. ??

No - just replays of certain incidents!

gandalf

TBH after watching that performance on the telly last night I can understand why the fans stayed away. The team served up a portion of Merde yet again.

We are on the cusp of getting to the Euro's but tbh I am actually worried that we will have a repeat of the last WC we made it to where we were subsequently humiliated. It's a shame that I am feeling this way because I distinctly remember when we qualified for the first time in 1988. Everyone (well bar the soccer haters) was walking on air when we made it through qualifying and then played at our first finals.

Lovely Bloke

When were Ireland humiliated at a WC?

death1234567

Nuts102 wrote: »

Clark really has massively improved the past year. I really hope Lecscott signing for Villa doesn't mean he loses his place.

Lescott was bought to replace Clark in the team and it's debatable whether Clark is 3rd or 4th choice centre back. He's not a great CB at all, too many errors.

AndyBoBandy

gandalf wrote: »

I am actually worried that we will have a repeat of the last WC we made it to where we were subsequently humiliated.

our last world cup in 2002, we lost to Spain in the second round in a penalty shootout, also drawing 1-1 with Germany in the group stage, (Oliver Kahn only conceded 3 goals in the whole tournament, 1 to Robbie Keane & 2 to (real)Ronaldo in the final).

In my opinion, we were very unlucky to lose to Spain on penalties, as once they went 1-0 up, we pretty much dominated for the rest of the game.

Hardly humiliation.

The_Kew_Tour

Reckon he meant Euros.

AndyBoBandy

Aye, but couldn't help myself!!

Surely everyone knows 2012 was a Euro year/tournament!!!

Trivial, I know, but surely you'd know that!

Irishcrx

It's great that were in the mix to get something out of this but lads don't fool yourself into blind optimism about this , John Giles is right and Dunphy was as usual talking a bit of crap.

Germany are the world champions , if we go out and attack them to win the game from the off they will get in behind our defence time and time again and we may have another 6-1 on our hands. I don't like it anymore than the next man but we should be looking for a point against them and seeing how we are fixed after the game before we decide how we need to approach Poland.

Coat22

Yeah - great - it looks like we'll finish third. We'll struggle to qualify though - can't see Ireland beating any of the other teams likely to finish third at the moment. In this group we've only beaten Georgia and Gibraltar, we've made a poor Scotland look good.

Looking at who we could draw:

Turkey/Holland - not a hope despite how bad Holland have been
Israel / Bosnia - maybe on away goals
Ukraine / Slovakia - hope for Ukraine and the game to be moved to Glasgow
Estonia/Slovenia - decent chance if Estonia
Finland/Hungary/Romania - nope
Russia/Sweden/Montenegro - will be one of the first two - no chance
Italy/Norway/Croatia - hope for Norway and pray
Portugal/Denmark/Albania - give us Portugal - sure Robbie Brady could handle Ronaldo

So its get third and hope for Group B or D opposition. Trapp got the lucky draw with Latvia 4 years ago, O'Neill won't get that lucky

irishmover

Surely we'd simply just be keeping an eye on Scotland v Poland.

Its highly unlikely we'd get anything v Germany so might aswell rule out 2nd spot. I'd much prefer Poland to beat Scotland to guarantee us atleast playoff with going for a win v Poland to finish inside the top 4 best placed 3rd spots for the automatic qualify.

Obviously a result v Germany would be great but beating Poland is more realistic.

AndyBoBandy

Coat22 wrote: »

Trapp got the lucky draw with Latvia 4 years ago, O'Neill won't get that lucky

Estonia.

The_Kew_Tour

irishmover wrote: »

playoff with going for a win v Poland to finish inside the top 4 best placed 3rd spots for the automatic qualify.

Come again?

irishmover

Coat22 wrote: »

Yeah - great - it looks like we'll finish third. We'll struggle to qualify though - can't see Ireland beating any of the other teams likely to finish third at the moment. In this group we've only beaten Georgia and Gibraltar, we've made a poor Scotland look good.

Looking at who we could draw:

Turkey/Holland - not a hope despite how bad Holland have been
Israel / Bosnia - maybe on away goals
Ukraine / Slovakia - hope for Ukraine and the game to be moved to Glasgow
Estonia/Slovenia - decent chance if Estonia
Finland/Hungary/Romania - nope
Russia/Sweden/Montenegro - will be one of the first two - no chance
Italy/Norway/Croatia - hope for Norway and pray
Portugal/Denmark/Albania - give us Portugal - sure Robbie Brady could handle Ronaldo

So its get third and hope for Group B or D opposition. Trapp got the lucky draw with Latvia 4 years ago, O'Neill won't get that lucky

We're currently 6th best third placed team. 3 points between us and 1st best placed. One win v either Poland or Germany would most likely guarantee automatic qualification. Can worry about playoffs if we finish 3rd outside of the top 4 placed teams.

Also that means there'll be 4 of the teams you mentioned automatically qualifying.

irishmover

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Come again?

Ranking of third-placed teams
Main article: UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying play-offs
The highest ranked third-placed team from the groups directly qualifies for the tournament, while the remainder enter the play-offs. As Group I contains five teams and the rest contain six, matches against any sixth-placed team in each group are not included in this ranking. As a result, a total of eight matches played by each team count toward the purpose of the third-placed ranking table.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016_qualifying

Sorry completely missed its not top 4. Was the last time I think.

Oh well. Can rule that out sorry!

irishmover

irishmover wrote: »

Ranking of third-placed teams
Main article: UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying play-offs
The highest ranked third-placed team from the groups directly qualifies for the tournament, while the remainder enter the play-offs. As Group I contains five teams and the rest contain six, matches against any sixth-placed team in each group are not included in this ranking. As a result, a total of eight matches played by each team count toward the purpose of the third-placed ranking table.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016_qualifying

Sorry completely missed its not top 4. Was the last time I think.

Oh well. Can rule that out sorry!

This was where I got confused. For some reason googling it comes up with Uefa links which say the top 4 best placed third spots qualify but its wrong.

Lovely Bloke

irishmover wrote: »

This was where I got confused. For some reason googling it comes up with Uefa links which say the top 4 best placed third spots qualify but its wrong.

that's in the actual tournament. there'll be 6 groups of 4 (24 teams) to be whittled down to 16, which is

top 2 from 6 groups (12 teams)
plus best 4 3rd places

16 teams knockout

keeponhurling

On the attendance, unless you're based in Dublin or nearby you need to plan your trip, get tickets in advance etc.

Honestly, after the draw with Scotland in June, a lot of people thought we were out and these games were an irrelevance.

Now in the meantime, Scotland fecked up v Georgia to give us a lifeline, but I feel it impacted the attendance

I was offered a chance to keep my seat for something like €150 for games v Georgia, Germany and a play-off that was unlikely to happen (possibly a friendly as well)
Couldn't justify 3 trips to Dublin, or €150 really unless I planned on going to all the games

J Mysterio

Coat22 wrote: »

Yeah - great - it looks like we'll finish third. We'll struggle to qualify though - can't see Ireland beating any of the other teams likely to finish third at the moment. In this group we've only beaten Georgia and Gibraltar, we've made a poor Scotland look good.

Looking at who we could draw:

Turkey/Holland - not a hope despite how bad Holland have been
Israel / Bosnia - maybe on away goals
Ukraine / Slovakia - hope for Ukraine and the game to be moved to Glasgow
Estonia/Slovenia - decent chance if Estonia
Finland/Hungary/Romania - nope
Russia/Sweden/Montenegro - will be one of the first two - no chance
Italy/Norway/Croatia - hope for Norway and pray
Portugal/Denmark/Albania - give us Portugal - sure Robbie Brady could handle Ronaldo

So its get third and hope for Group B or D opposition. Trapp got the lucky draw with Latvia 4 years ago, O'Neill won't get that lucky

That's ridiculously pessimistic.

fyfe79

People are slagging off the 'poor' attendance. Can anyone check which other games across Europe had attendances of 27000 or more? For a country as small as ours, it's not bad lads - especially considering the poor quality football that Ireland has been serving up over the last few years, the poor quality opposition, the overpriced tickets, the GAA (especially Dublin) at the weekend, the very popular Electric Picnic also at the weekend, and the fact that it was a Monday night.

ben.schlomo

fyfe79 wrote: »

People are slagging off the 'poor' attendance. Can anyone check which other games across Europe had attendances of 27000 or more? For a country as small as ours, it's not bad lads - especially considering the poor quality football that Ireland has been serving up over the last few years, the poor quality opposition, the overpriced tickets, the GAA (especially Dublin) at the weekend, the very popular Electric Picnic also at the weekend, and the fact that it was a Monday night.

Not what you asked for but might be of interest.

http://www.statbunker.com/competitions/HomeAttendance?comp_id=487

Coat22

irishmover wrote: »

We're currently 6th best third placed team. 3 points between us and 1st best placed. One win v either Poland or Germany would most likely guarantee automatic qualification. Can worry about playoffs if we finish 3rd outside of the top 4 placed teams.

Also that means there'll be 4 of the teams you mentioned automatically qualifying.

If we beat either Germany (or better still Poland) then we'd be more likely to finish 2nd than as best 3rd placed team.

Looking at our possible opponents in the draw:

We were ranked 23 in June.
The 3rd placed team in Group C (Slovakia/Ukraine) will be above us
The 3rd placed team in Group G (Sweden/Russia) will be most likely be above us
The 3rd placed team in Group F (Hungary/Romania) will be most likely be above us
If Holland finish 3rd they'll be above us and Turkey by virtue of beating Holland have probably climbed above us.
If Croatia finish 3rd they'll be above us. Likewise Denmark.

One of the above Croatia / Ukraine / Hungary will likely qualifty as best 3rd placed team so that takes one out of the equation.

So we need to hope for:

Ukraine or Hungary to finish as best placed 3rd team.
Turkey finish 3rd in Group A but don't win any more games
Israel finish 3rd in Group B
Estonia finish 3rd in Group E
Russia finish 3rd in Group G but don't win any more games
Norway finish 3rd in Group H
Albania finish 3rd in Group I

So best scenario we are seeded and our likely opponents are one of:

Israel
Estonia/Slovenia
Norway
Albania

If this came through I'd give us a chance but there's an awful lot of ifs for that to happen.

dogcat

At the moment we are actually the highest 3rd place seed in terms of UEFA. We are above the likes of Russia even. This is just for this cycle though.l

citytillidie

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Not what you asked for but might be of interest.

http://www.statbunker.com/competitions/HomeAttendance?comp_id=487

Don't think that is very up to day, if you look Ireland's lowest and highest equals their total attendance Ireland have had more that 2 home games

Tomagotchye

Lads, dont worry about playoff opponents Just ride the wave.

Wacker The Attacker

keeponhurling wrote: »

On the attendance, unless you're based in Dublin or nearby you need to plan your trip, get tickets in advance etc.

Honestly, after the draw with Scotland in June, a lot of people thought we were out and these games were an irrelevance.

Now in the meantime, Scotland fecked up v Georgia to give us a lifeline, but I feel it impacted the attendance

I was offered a chance to keep my seat for something like €150 for games v Georgia, Germany and a play-off that was unlikely to happen (possibly a friendly as well)
Couldn't justify 3 trips to Dublin, or €150 really unless I planned on going to all the games

Anybody who thought that was a fool. To think that it was not possible to overtake Scotland with a 2 lead with 4 games to go clearly was foolish in my view

tayto lover

So who will replace Whelan against Germany?

Nerdlingr

tayto lover wrote: »

So who will replace Whelan against Germany?

More than likely play a five man midfield with Quinn/Meyler taking his place.

Banjaxed82

tayto lover wrote: »

So who will replace Whelan against Germany?

Quinn.


I think Hoolahan/Keane will be dropped.

Long up top on his own.

McGeady on one wing. Walters on the other.

Quinn, Hendrick, McCarthy.

I would prefer a space being made for Hoolahan, cause we need to hold on to the ball as much as possible against the Germans but then again the way we're playing at the moment, and complete lack of intensity makes personnel almost redundant.

TheCitizen

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

Quinn.


I think Hoolahan/Keane will be dropped.

Long up top on his own.

McGeady on one wing. Walters on the other.

Quinn, Hendrick, McCarthy.

I would prefer a space being made for Hoolahan, cause we need to hold on to the ball as much as possible against the Germans but then again the way we're playing at the moment, and complete lack of intensity makes personnel almost redundant.

Unless McGeady starts getting game time and discovers form for Everton, Hoolahan should start ahead of him. Same team as last night bar Long for Keane and Quinn for Whelan.

weldoninhio

Laois_Man wrote: »

Someone needs to tell Moloney that the highest ranking team we've beaten competitively in a decade is Estonia!

Statistically speaking, each loss to a higher ranking team brings us closer to beating one.

gandalf

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

our last world cup in 2002, we lost to Spain in the second round in a penalty shootout, also drawing 1-1 with Germany in the group stage, (Oliver Kahn only conceded 3 goals in the whole tournament, 1 to Robbie Keane & 2 to (real)Ronaldo in the final).

In my opinion, we were very unlucky to lose to Spain on penalties, as once they went 1-0 up, we pretty much dominated for the rest of the game.

Hardly humiliation.

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

When were Ireland humiliated at a WC?

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Reckon he meant Euros.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Aye, but couldn't help myself!!

Surely everyone knows 2012 was a Euro year/tournament!!!

Trivial, I know, but surely you'd know that!

Sorry I had a brain fart this morning and someone turned up early for a meeting so hit submit before reading over what I typed. Of course I meant the Euros in 2012 where we finished last!

GavRedKing

For the Germany game, barring injury I'd go with

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Given

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Coleman JOS Clark Brady

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Quinn

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---Hendrick---Mccarthy---

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Hoolahan

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----Walters---Long

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tayto lover

GavRedKing wrote: »

For the Germany game, barring injury I'd go with

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Given

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Coleman JOS Clark Brady

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Quinn

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---Hendrick---Mccarthy---

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Hoolahan

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----Walters---Long

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Wasn't really impressed with Hoolahan last night. Very slow and ponderous I thought.

Leroy42

I actually think the attendance is pretty good.

Dublin Mayo reply would have taken a lot of people disposable income. Hurling final, Electric Picnic. Its back to school time, new seasons jerseys have to be bought and it was a Monday night.

Of course the insipid, dour and frankly boring football doesn't help and coupled with the fact that we are still only fighting for what is a play-off place, well I don't see why anybody should expect others to stump up cash for such a poor product.

PTH2009

Can see Scotland beating Poland and us losing to Germany. Meaning Poland will be all guns blazing against us. The rugby teams last group game in the world cup is on the same day as our Poland game . So a big possibility of it being a national day of sporting disaster for us

Billy86

PTH2009 wrote: »

Can see Scotland beating Poland and us losing to Germany. Meaning Poland will be all guns blazing against us. The rugby teams last group game in the world cup is on the same day as our Poland game . So a big possibility of it being a national day of sporting disaster for us

It's looking to be a day to remember or a day to forget alright, can't wait for it!!

Bleating Lamb

Thought it was funny last night to see Dunphy insisting that we could/would beat Germany.....

There's certainly no such thing as middle ground with the man.

Idbatterim

Can see Scotland beating Poland and us losing to Germany. Meaning Poland will be all guns blazing against us. The rugby teams last group game in the world cup is on the same day as our Poland game . So a big possibility of it being a national day of sporting disaster for us

yeah I can see Scotland beating Poland, but I can equally as likely see Poland beating them, a draw wouldn't surprise me. The Polish team have been better than Scotland thus far, that shoes in the points tally to date. Sure Scotland couldn't even muster a shot on target against Georgia.

The reason I say I wouldn't be surprised if Scotland beat them is, that they don't seem to have this, oh well they are ranked higher mental block that we have. Meaning go out an play for a draw and see it as a great result. We beat ourselves...

Against Germany keep it tight though, probably play 5 in midfield and Long upfront. Maybe have Hoolahan on for some magic or so that we can at least hang onto the ball for a while... They have got to try and retain possession, instead of giving it back to the Germans immediately and facing another threat...

Thought it was funny last night to see Dunphy insisting that we could/would beat Germany.....

There's certainly no such thing as middle ground with the man.

a large part of the reason, why it is highly unlikely is simply down to our attitude. With a more positive one, odds would still be against a win on the night, but much improved...

SantryRed

GavRedKing wrote: »

For the Germany game, barring injury I'd go with

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Given

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Coleman JOS Clark Brady

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Quinn

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---Hendrick---Mccarthy---

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Hoolahan

---

----Walters---Long

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I think that's absolute suicide against the Germans. We need to go 4-5-1 and hope we can frustrate them. They'd run all over us in the middle and with their Full backs. I'd like to see something along the lines of:

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Given

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Coleman JOS Clark Brady
---McCarthy--Hendrick---
Walters--Hoolahan--McGeady

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Long

---

McGeady wouldn't be first choice for left wing but I honestly amn't sure who else to put there with no McClean. I think playing Wes is key purely because he's a spark. And three flat midfielders was a disaster last time MON played it.

Mr.Nice Guy

SantryRed wrote: »

I think that's absolute suicide against the Germans. We need to go 4-5-1 and hope we can frustrate them. They'd run all over us in the middle and with their Full backs. I'd like to see something along the lines of:

---

Given

---

Coleman JOS Clark Brady
---McCarthy--Hendrick---
Walters--Hoolahan--McGeady

---

Long

---

McGeady wouldn't be first choice for left wing but I honestly amn't sure who else to put there with no McClean. I think playing Wes is key purely because he's a spark. And three flat midfielders was a disaster last time MON played it.

I think MON might play Wilson at left-back and stick Brady up to left-wing. I'm not sure I'd trust Brady defensively against the Germans.

tayto lover

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think MON might play Wilson at left-back and stick Brady up to left-wing. I'm not sure I'd trust Brady defensively against the Germans.

Just as I was thinking.
Robbie made 2/3 bad mistakes last night before he settled down to play quite well afterwards.

SantryRed

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I think MON might play Wilson at left-back and stick Brady up to left-wing. I'm not sure I'd trust Brady defensively against the Germans.

Would actually prefer that myself! Brady is a must in the first 11 anyways. Our best chance from scoring may well be from a good cross from him or even a direct free.

Korat

I'm a Manchester United fan.

Please don't pick on me again Dfx

GLaDOS

I said it before the game, possibly in the ROI super thread, but I'd much prefer the see Brady further up the pitch. One of the few players we have who look comfortable with the ball at his feet.

Wilberto

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I said it before the game, possibly in the ROI super thread, but I'd much prefer the see Brady further up the pitch. One of the few players we have who look comfortable with the ball at his feet.

The problem is that our best actual left back is probably Stephen Ward!

Marc Wilson and Robbie Brady are just filling in until someone better finally (or hopefully) breaks onto the scene.

GLaDOS

Wilberto wrote: »

The problem is that our best actual left back is probably Stephen Ward!

Marc Wilson and Robbie Brady are just filling in until someone better finally (or hopefully) breaks onto the scene.

Wilson is fine at lb, not a world beater, but I'd have him ahead of Brady if we were under pressure.

Wilberto

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Wilson is fine at lb, not a world beater, but I'd have him ahead of Brady if we were under pressure.

Yeah, once you don't ask him to pass a ball anyway! I agree though, he is better than Brady, and both are better than Ward. :pac: