Gay Guinness

6541

Risky Advertisement ! What do you take from it ? My take is consumption of Guinness can change your sexual orientation.

Timberrrrrrrr

6541 wrote: »

Risky Ad ! What do you take from it ? My take is consumption of Guinness can change your sexual orientation.

Sounds like you have tried several pints of it today

316

Guinness can give you a grand dose of black shites too.

Wibbs

Maybe it's more of that gender fluid they're discussing in the other thread?

ToddyDoody

Gay but still incredibly masculine so it works.

Mother Brain

My gender fluids are beechwood aged. For a clean, crisp gender.

kneemos

They have the weirdest ads.Can only assume it's deliberate.

Fukuyama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7phQqO0zsE

Decent Ad.


This one was from 1995. Never made it to air.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hieKgQNQpMA

agent graves

guinness turn me gay? depends on how good the head is

Fukuyama

agent graves wrote: »

guinness turn me gay? depends on how good the head is

Can't believe I laughed at that. Bravo.

Lyaiera

Good ad. I think in a larger sense it's trying to break away from the notion that stout/Guinness is for aul fellas with a gut, stained pants and a pneumonic cough. Most of my favourite beers are stouts, especially from the macro breweries. West Kerry Brewery's stout is superb, as is O'Hara's Leann Follain. Stout developed a bit of a tired reputation and this seems to be a fight against it. Sure won't they're be a better flow on it?

Although I prefer Beamish.

agent graves

Fukuyama wrote: »

Can't believe I laughed at that. Bravo.

nearly patted myself on the back with that one ha.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Hey quick question do the Guinness family still have the controlling stake in the company or is it Diageo? I know that they do still own St James Gate.

It's just that I was reading up on something recently about Arthur Guinness requesting that the company never leave ownership of the family.

Fukuyama

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Hey quick question do the Guinness family still have the controlling stake in the company or is it Diageo? I know that they do still own St James Gate.

It's just that I was reading up on something recently about Arthur Guinness requesting that the company never leave ownership of the family.

It's all Diageo now.

Which, in a way, kind of spoils this ad. Because it's not a small company showing their stripes. It's a massive corporation making a calculated move to gain traction with a younger audience who sees Guinness as being an old mans drink.

The 1995 ad was calculated but ultimately they bottled it (pun intended).

Diageo have taken a hammering off micro breweries. I've drank Guinness since I was 18 but any chance I get I'll switch to Galway Bay Stormy Port, Murphys, Beamish or O Haras. They're all nicer.

That said it's a nice ad and it tackles a stereotype better than any government initiative. So...yeah.

Gatling

Well done Guinness.

StonyIron

Guinness has always spent a fortune on ads though and has commissioned some of the most iconic TV ads over the years.

It's also always been accused of being an old man's drink, yet someone's clearly drinking it...

positivenote

thinking behind it is similar to the 1995 advert, in that guiness is the alternative pint... not like the majority of pints.

FrKurtFahrt

Being one of the old fellas that prefers Guinness to the pishyellow alternatives, and completing the stereotype (I'm unable to show the appropriate link) - Keith Duggan has an interesting article in the sports section of the Irish Times today, discussing Guinness and its use of advertising.

StonyIron

Well, it's good someone's breaking the stereotypes and as much as I think some people will think it's bandwagon jumping, it takes big brands and big voices to make changes to attitudes.

The reality is there are plenty of gay men and women who don't meet any stereotypes.

The_Valeyard

Guinness is only good for rear exit. Not rear-entry.

Red Kev

GUINNESS - Once you go black, you'll never go back.

Tony Beetroot

Guinness always fcuks you in the ass.

philstar

i can understand effeminate guys like graham norton being gay.. but this guy??

can't believe he's gay, he's too hard looking to be gay he throws the whole gay image on its head

maybe he's just into it for kinky kicks ??

The King of Moo

Fair play to him for having the strength to come out, but I'm a bit cynical about Guinness using them in their ads. I don't see the link between the drink and his situation, they just seem to want to attach themselves to an inspiring story.
If this ad was the first time he came out publicly, then I'd say they were being a bit braver.

It completely smacks of jumping on a bandwagon. It would have been an edgy campaign in the 80s.

Paramite Pie

philstar wrote: »

i can understand effeminate guys like graham norton being gay.. but this guy??

can't believe he's gay, he's too hard looking to be gay he throws the whole gay image on its head

maybe he's just into it for kinky kicks ??

There's lots of hard-looking guys on grindr and i've seen some in gaybars. Personally I shun the more effeminate gay scene myself (not that I'm saying i'm a tough lad -- i just can't relate).

You pass people on the street every day who you don't notice are gay. We only spot the more camp ones!!

alan partridge aha

Advertisers are like politicians, one crowd is in it to increase profits and the other is to increase votes. It's all BS really.

NachoBusiness

Deleted User wrote: »

It completely smacks of jumping on a bandwagon. It would have been an edgy campaign in the 80s.

Absolutely. Seen it for the first time last night and you could feel people cringing. It was in the Imax too and that made it worse I think. Usually you can ignore trailers a little but the fcuking noise of that place there was simply no escaping it Lets face it, it's good PR for them. No one in Diageo (or wherever it was dreamed up) could give two fcuks about homosexuals being more accepted in society. At the end of the day, they're just after the pink pound (and the fashionable one also) lets not pretend otherwise.

Vinculus

The last time I drank a pint of Guinness was nearly two years ago ( I live abroad) and at this time of a Sunday afternoon, I would do anything for a couple of pints of creamy black.

Anything!

;-)

suicide_circus

Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling when multinational corporations use on trend social causes for marketing

Overheal

Hotblack Desiato

philstar wrote: »

i can understand effeminate guys like graham norton being gay.. but this guy??

If Village People have taught us anything, it's that gay men come from all walks of life - construction workers, cops, naval officers and Indian chiefs.

StonyIron

philstar wrote: »

i can understand effeminate guys like graham norton being gay.. but this guy??

can't believe he's gay, he's too hard looking to be gay he throws the whole gay image on its head

maybe he's just into it for kinky kicks ??

Being gay = being sexually attracted to people of the same gender.

(I'm actually surprised this has to be explained in 2015)

You can be 'camp' (don't like that word) and any sexual orientation. I know quite a few rather 'camp' straight lads and some very 'macho' gay ones.

Same for gay women, you can be extremely feminine and also just happen to like other women. Or, you can have spiky hair, enjoy playing rugby and be a female brick layer and be hugely into men.

Stereotyping people into sexual orientation caricatures is absolute nonsense. It's lousy for gay people and it's actually really bad for straight people too.

Oddly enough, if you're a non-stereotypcial straight person who happens to be a bit camp if you're a bloke or a bit butch if you're a woman, you're also potentially subjected to a lot of homophobia.

My point really is just, stop worrying about who people go to bed with! Mostly, it's none of your business, unless you're actually in bed with them!

A Dub in Glasgo

I saw the ad for the first time today and did not know it was a Guinness ad - it is well done although I am not sure the connection to Guinness

Junkyard Tom

Isn't the advert about fraternity and brotherhood rather than 'gay'?

6541

i wonder what the Aul Lad Guinness drinkers think?

El Weirdo

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Isn't the advert about fraternity and brotherhood rather than 'gay'?

Exactly. There's another one featuring Ashwin Willemse.

biko

These are the new masters of Guinness
http://www.diageo.com/en-row/ourbusiness/ourpeople/ExecutiveCommittee/Pages/default.aspx

The Corporate Relations Director is a hottie

NachoBusiness

It's quite homoerotic when you think about it.

Muscular men rolling around in mud. Talking about demons tearing him apart after he turned to them, as they then show him walking towards them in a dark tunnel. Then we see the slow opening of the previously closed "roof". Come on. If that wasn't bad enough. At the very end, he is lying on the ground and a team mate comes over and rub his bald head vigorously, he smiles and it then immediately cuts to the head gushing and flowing all over the screen.

Ah here. This should be banned ffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBOTKSQ89M8

StonyIron

It just shows one thing though - rugby is the most physical and also one of the most progressive sports out there when it comes to inclusivity.

GAA has followed suit very impressively.

Sadly it's soccer in particular that has a LONG way to go on homophobia. I've always thought it's a bit ironic given that soccer players are the only ones who have a history of openly snogging the face off each other on the pitch!

StonyIron

StonyIron wrote: »

It just shows one thing though - rugby is the most physical and also one of the most progressive sports out there when it comes to inclusivity.

GAA has followed suit very impressively.

Sadly it's soccer in particular that has a LONG way to go on homophobia. I've always thought it's a bit ironic given that soccer players are the only ones who have a history of openly snogging the face off each other on the pitch!

What precisely did rugby and the GAA do that they can pat themselves on the back?

Do you mean individuals came out themselves? It's hardly "impressive" on the part of the organisations.

StonyIron

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What precisely did rugby and the GAA do that they can pat themselves on the back?

Do you mean individuals came out themselves? It's hardly "impressive" on the part of the organisations.

The impressive bit was the reaction or the general lack of one. Obviously you'll get a few nutters but, for the *most* part people took it in their stride.

The problem in soccer has largely been the fact that there's still a fear of fans turning on players. It's not the clubs, it's not the national organisations (at least in socially progressive countries). It's an aspect of the fan culture or a taboo that they're not getting past.

I'm not saying all the fans are but, the fear of being seen as gay in soccer has to be huge given how long it's taking to see almost any visible gay soccer players. It just doesn't add up that there are no gay premiership players for example. Statistically there has to be a few.

Riskymove

NachoBusiness wrote: »

It's quite homoerotic when you think about it.

Muscular men rolling around in mud.

hmmmm....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTpXymuwxNs

StonyIron

StonyIron wrote: »

I'm not saying all the fans are but, the fear of being seen as gay in soccer has to be huge given how long it's taking to see almost any visible gay soccer players. It just doesn't add up that there are no gay premiership players for example. Statistically there has to be a few.

Gareth Thomas had played his last international and was on the verge of leaving rugby union when he came out. It's not unlike ex premiership player and international Thomas Hitzlsperger.

What's also notable about both the GAA and rugby is that, for all your praise...no other high profile players have come out even though statistically there has to be a few.

StonyIron

It's at least started though.
There's definitely a culture to be gotten past though.

osarusan

Always pisses me off when something like this is used as advertising.

You see an ad that is dealing with a serious subject, in quite a moving way, and rather than being an ad for, say, donations to homeless charities, or a suicide prevention hotline, its for a bloody beer or a mobile network or something.

6541

osarusan wrote: »

Always pisses me off when something like this is used as advertising.

You see an ad that is dealing with a serious subject, in quite a moving way, and rather than being an ad for, say, donations to homeless charities, or a suicide prevention hotline, its for a bloody beer or a mobile network or something.

But you could not have an ad to donate to Gay people could you ?

StonyIron

It probably should include a link to something as it's actually a very emotional issue for some people.

Last thing you want is "feeling stressed out about your sexuality and sexual orientation - have a pint"

JCX BXC

The ad always makes me think of little Britain.

StupidLikeAFox

Pint of gayness please, thanks

agent graves

agent graves wrote: »

guinness turn me gay? depends on how good the head is

This is a bit of a tangent. But the singer Josh Ritter had a great song about science once. The song - he says - was firstly written for his mother (which makes the punch line of this post weird) when he told her he was dropping out of Neuro Science in College for Music.

The lyrics are here, it is a very funny song live:
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/joshritter/stucktoyou.html

Anyway the relevance of the post comes on one of his first trips to Ireland back when I was in college. And in the Roisin dubh in Galway we demanded he ad-lib a new verse after a conversation we had.

A verse he has since added to the song and re-adlibs every time.

As I recall it went something like this:

"There's one last thing, it does appear
It is not love, that will bring you beer......

But a top secret formula discovered by monks and perfected by the Irish,
To make the best head yet.

But since youre gone,
Its the only head I get"

Here is one of the ad libs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ToqS5FoZc