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We're sheep for thinking all this therapy stuff might work, maaaaaan.
In most instances, yes. This would certainly be the case.
But hey, some people seem to quite enjoy the protection of the (misguided) herd. Makes you feel a sense of belonging.
And you can get lots of pointless likes on internet forums as a reward for staying fat and unhealthy.
Hi Think Progress.
Never said I thought it always worked, but no harm trying it.
Actually, as I explained earlier... there can be lots of harm inflicted by trying it if you're one of the unlucky people that get diagnosed with a BS mental disorder.
There's lots of mentally healthy people walking around believing that they have a mental illness. Do you think this is a good thing for them?One eyed Jack wrote: »in the face of overwhelming scientific studies
But you're still left with the question as to why these people are lazy and unmotivated?
Until you can get to the bottom of that question, people will remain too lazy and unmotivated to eat less/eat healthy and exercise/move more.
Their eating, or their nutrition, is disordered, which is the reason why they become or became overweight. Nobody is actually born overweight, they become that way, so you have to [/B]get to the root of why they became that way,[/B] when and how did their eating become disordered, and why! Until you can do that, the same mentality remains, they will still have an eating disorder even when they eat less and move more, and it's only a matter of time before the disordered thinking takes over again, which is why a person puts back on weight.
That's the reason why they fail. Not for any other reason.
TP you have consistently and deliberately twisted people's posts, engaged in a condescending manner, purposely misinterpreted people's posts to put forward the same crap again and again... in fact you've done everything you've accused other posters of doing, and I don't believe for a minute that you can't see what you're doing. You think you're being clever, but unfortunately you're being anything but. If you genuinely had any interest in helping people, you would at least read their posts properly and try and understand where they're coming from.
It's true that most people do not have an eating disorder, but those people that are overweight or obese, by it's very definition, their eating is disordered, because how they think about food and nutrition and exercise and their bodies is disordered. That's why they are overweight or obese.
The eat healthy/exercise mantra is good for people who are already healthy, to maintain their health. It's futile as a starting point for someone who is unhealthy / overweight / obese.
This is a perfect example of the kind of ignorance you're perpetuating in society with your nonsense. You haven't a clue what does or doesn't help the majority of people who are unhealthy / overweight / obese, and your continued refusal to acknowledge the scientific studies which trump your bullshìt talk, makes you no more worth listening to than Gillian McKeith.
Your anecdotal evidence means diddly squat compared to mountains of scientific evidence. For someone who's username is 'ThinkProgress', that has to be some achievement in willful ignorance to maintain that you know better than the whole scientific community who are still conducting research into eating and nutrition disorders. Your attitude and your lack of thought evident in your posts is actually the greatest mental barrier to progress.
It's true, you don't have to over-complicate things to be successful, but in order to come up with successful solutions, you first have to understand how things work, and unfortunately, you don't, and you clearly don't want to, because one would have thought by now when presented with enough scientific evidence that contradicts their opinion, you would have actually gone away and thought about it.
But no, here you are, back again with the same old clap trap about "eat less/move more".
That's why I couldn't be arsed addressing your earlier post, and fair play to other posters who did, because I knew already you were going to come back with the same crap, in spite of people taking the time to yet again present you with scientific evidence which completely contradicts everything you've believed up to this point.
That sort of evangelical devotion to your position is the antithesis of thinking that contributes to any kind of progress. It's lazy and it's ignorant, and it's the very kind of thinking you accuse others of doing.
What's your excuse?
I think it's funny that you're arrogant enough to believe that science is on your side in this discussion and not on mine.
There's plenty of scientific evidence that calorie reduction leads to weight loss. And plenty of evidence that exercise makes you fitter and aids in weight loss too...
Lots of people clean up their eating habits and exercise more... and continue to do so for the rest of their lives. Just by finding the motivation and will power to make the necessary changes. They didn't require therapy and many don't relapse back to their old habits.
So, I think you're wrong. Most are just weak willed and lacking in motivation.
Perpetuating the myth that this thing is hugely complex and multi-faceted, when in the majority of cases it's really NOT... is just preventing many people from changing their lives and making progress!
YOU are the menace to progress. And you seem to enjoy playing that role. (But then, considering the shameless lies you've been spinning about your life on here... that's hardly shocking to me)
Quite honestly, after many of us caught you out telling those ridiculous lies... it's been very hard to take anything you say seriously or even have a modicum of respect for you.
You've done it to yourself. You are completely lacking in any credibility now. I'm convinced you're just trolling for reactions, and I really should deny you any more fuel...
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Morrisey? sorry can't listen to him (singing songs about being miserable in monotone no thanks)...sure his cousin is a better singer then him an he is a footballer!
Robbie Keane! Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »Surely the opposite is the case. The people who have NOT gained half their bodyweight in order to loose it must have been doing something right consistently.
Although I do agree that people who have lost half their body weight have the advantage of being able to show empathy, to their fellow soldiers. Like those former soldiers in Vietnam films who have "seen some-things man".
But that slimmer of the year thing always struck me as counter intuitive. Basically to have a good chance of winning it you have to be the most overweight at the start!
You're purposely trolling aren't you? :rolleyes:
Almost everything in that comment, is just ridiculous
Do you not think being slimmer of the year deserves recognition?
Do you think the person intentionally gets fat in order to lose a load of weight & get a round of applause?
Do you think it's easy to lose weight?
Ever do something you know is bad for you but do it anyway?
Ever eaten a processed meal?
Are you a smoker? Could you give up sex? Alcohol? Chocolate? Ciggies?
If yes to any of those things, you are far more disciplined than I am! (Of course you are, you're not overweight!)
Life isn't easy. I don't find losing weight easy. I'm glad you have the discipline to remain at a reasonable weight (although how do we know that?!) but maybe there are other things you're NOT good at, that I excel at! 0 -
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So people who have never experienced being overweight are better placed to give advice than those who've actually gone through it? "Don't get fat in the first place" is hardly much use to someone with a serious weight problem, is it? Also, if you think a thin person automatically has good eating habits then you're seriously deluded.
I think both can often have solid advice to give. People who have been thin and healthy all their lives tend to make more sensible choices consistently than perhaps people who yo-yo up and down in weight over their lives...
It's rarely just a fluke of nature or genetics to be thin and healthy. Many of the healthiest people I know are subject to the same stresses/cravings/weaknesses as anyone else. It's just that 99% of the time, they find the will power to make the right choices.
You can learn a lot from both sections I think. Not just people who have lost weight.As somebody who lost four stone in a year you have absolutely no fecking idea what you're talking about and how easy you have it.
lol... This tired old BS again.
It's NOT automatically harder for you. It's basically just as difficult for EVERYONE!
The reason it probably feels harder for you, is because most fat/unfit people got that way by being lazy to begin with and consistently taking the path of least resistance!
People who never got out of shape, they put effort and work in consistently while you were slacking off and going easy on yourself.
It's insulting when people suggest that things are harder for THEM, even though the whole reason they got out of shape to begin with... was because they took the EASY/LAZY option in the past.
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ThinkProgress wrote: »I think both can often have solid advice to give. People who have been thin and healthy all their lives tend to make more sensible choices consistently than perhaps people who yo-yo up and down in weight over their lives...
It's rarely just a fluke of nature or genetics to be thin and healthy. Many of the healthiest people I know are subject to the same stresses/cravings/weaknesses as anyone else. It's just that 99% of the time, they find the will power to make the right choices.
You can learn a lot from both sections I think. Not just people who have lost weight.
lol... This tired old BS again.
It's NOT automatically harder for you. It's basically just as difficult for EVERYONE!
The reason it probably feels harder for you, is because most fat/unfit people got that way by being lazy to begin with and consistently taking the path of least resistance!
People who never got out of shape, they put effort and work in consistently while you were slacking off and going easy on yourself.
It's insulting when people suggest that things are harder for THEM, even though the whole reason they got out of shape to begin with... was because they took the EASY/LAZY option in the past.
The punishment fits the crime!
Do you have any vices ThinkProgress, do you smoke or drink alcohol or gamble? Is there anything that you do that you know is not the best for you but you find it difficult not to do?0 -
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ThinkProgress wrote: »The reason it probably feels harder for you, is because most fat/unfit people got that way by being lazy to begin with and consistently taking the path of least resistance!
People who never got out of shape, they put effort and work in consistently while you were slacking off and going easy on yourself.
It's insulting when people suggest that things are harder for THEM, even though the whole reason they got out of shape to begin with... was because they took the EASY/LAZY option in the past.
The punishment fits the crime!
I love your logic. Me Good Them Bad. Very caveman.
You might not actually realise that weight gain is so much more complicated than the amount of food we eat and exercise we do. Cortisol has a huge role to play in weight gain and there has been research done to show that stress causes people to gain weight. No, not because they are eating crappy food, but because of hormonal interplay.
After a very quick google I found this: (can't post links but it's from MedicineNet)
"But weight gain when under stress may also be at least partly due to the body's system of hormonal checks and balances, which can actually promote weight gain when you're stressed out, according to some researchers."
It's more widely recognised that some disease processes cause people to gain weight as a protective mechanism - eating disorder recovery and diabetes are 2 I can think of from the top of my head. Some people gain weight on certain drug regimes. The effects of poverty on health and weight has been documented and there are even studies looking into the fact that artificial lighting can mess with hormonal balance, especially for people who work night shifts causing weight gain.
Don't even get me started on how yo-yo dieting has been shown to increases the body's natural set point, thereby making people bigger. I know plenty of adults who had their food restricted as children by well meaning parents setting them on a path to complete misery.
Also, 2/3 of people with active eating disorders are either a normal or overweight BMI.
But do continue to play the "lazy" card if it helps you feel better about yourself. Your posts are shockingly lacking in any level of awareness or basic empathy. But everyone loves a good old fattie bashing, right?0 -
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Do you have any vices ThinkProgress, do you smoke or drink alcohol or gamble? Is there anything that you do that you know is not the best for you but you find it difficult not to do?
Why? If I have some dirt on me, you'll respect my views more and give me some pointless internet forum 'likes'? :rolleyes:
This thread is an echo chamber for people of that ilk. You hardly need another addition.So pushing your body when it's four stone heavier than anyone else's equals the same amount of energy output during a workout?
Do you even biology bro?
Fitness is hard for everybody.
You have no right to chastise anyone about "how easy they have it" relative to you... because there's likely no one else to blame for your predicament other than yourself.
It's ignorant and insulting to have a pop at someone, just because they had the self discipline and dedication to keep themselves in shape and you didn't.
Suck it up and live with the consequences of your actions. (or in-actions)
Sure! :rolleyes:whatdoicare wrote: »He's an obese man trapped in a skinny mans body!:mad:Barely There wrote: »Personally I find it interesting that as obesity levels continue to rise, a parallel 'fat-apology' industry has grown too, dedicated to selling people the narrative that 'it's not your fault'.
Great point.
It's classic marketing methodology...
Tell people it's not their fault and how everything is unfair and stacked against them. Do a good enough job of convincing them how fcuked up everything is....
Then when you have them nodding in complete agreement, jump in with your revolutionary new product/gimmick/diet plan etc which will save the day! (which of course it almost never will)
These people pray on the weak. And they only get away with it, because they are masters at displaying the EMPATHY that so many people seem to value so much around here!
Sometimes their empathy can be real in some cases - but that doesn't mean their gimmick is real too!
The cold hard truth is better than empathy for these people... although as this thread proves, it won't make you a very popular person. :pac:0 -
ThinkProgress wrote: »Why? If I have some dirt on me, you'll respect my views more and give me some pointless internet forum 'likes'? :rolleyes:
This thread is an echo chamber for people of that ilk. You hardly need another addition.ThinkProgress wrote: »
No, I am trying to help you understand that everyone has different vices, be it a sweet tooth or a penchant for betting on the horses or smoking 50 cigarettes a day. It is incredibly easy for me to say to a smoker, ''just stop smoking, it's bad for your health, you are causing other people harm with your passive smoking, it is as simple as not lighting up''. It is easy for me to say that as a non-smoker, because I'm not addicted to nicotine, and I could just as easily tell someone who enjoys having a drink to put the bottle of vodka down, because I don't feel like I desperately need a drink.
Everyone has to try to exercise self-control when it comes to eating, of course they do, but for some people it is more difficult than for others, as food is their particular vice, the thing that they do to relax/comfort themselves/ as a form of socialisation (meeting people and going for a meal), recreation - cooking and enjoying what you make.
However, I am not saying that this means that it is impossible for someone who is overweight to lose weight, as I have lost a lot of weight myself, even though food is definitely one of my vices, so I am not excusing people who are overweight, I am merely trying to explain to you that people have different vices and it affects how difficult it is for them to remain dedicated to a healthy eating plan.0 -
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I'lk change the subject a bit but it is something that I am entertained by for a while now. I think HSE ads aimed at parents giving them advice about habits of kids are good idea. What I don't get is that spaghetti bolognese add about portion sizes for kids. Why suggest smaller servings and then plonk on the table also four huge slices of garlic bread. I love pasta and I love bread but surely I am not the only one in thinking that they really shouldn't be eaten together. Surely some salad would be better (or nice red wine). 0
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My OH is the same.whatdoicare wrote: »He's an obese man trapped in a skinny mans body!:mad:
How a 5'2" 8 stone woman can eat so much & not put weight on is a mystery to me
In fairness, she walks the dog twice a day & swims 10 lengths of the pool every day, she still eats more than 6'2" 17 stone me :eek:0 -
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I'lk change the subject a bit but it is something that I am entertained by for a while now. I think HSE ads aimed at parents giving them advice about habits of kids are good idea. What I don't get is that spaghetti bolognese add about portion sizes for kids. Why suggest smaller servings and then plonk on the table also four huge slices of garlic bread. I love pasta and I love bread but surely I am not the only one in thinking that they really shouldn't be eaten together. Surely some salad would be better (or nice red wine).
I was shocked at what size a portion of pasta should be so I do have a lot of sympathy for those trying to cut down, on the flip side I know people hate potato's but boiled spuds sort of surprised me on how low on calories they are (I know high GI and stuff but in terms of calories quiet low)0 -
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tomwaterford wrote: »Is there a good website for this/calculator which gives a rough guide??
The MyFitnessPal app gives fairly good calorie calculations of food that you input into it 0 -
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Penny Tration wrote: »The MyFitnessPal app gives fairly good calorie calculations of food that you input into it
I know I asked this before but I never had a dayscent phone before lately to try this...but how do you figure out the weights or just estimate the amount like 150g spuds??0 -
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Penny Tration wrote: »You get a small kitchen scales and weigh them :P
Like the drug dealer ones :pac:
*in all seriousness....thanks 0 -
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