BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day

emeldc

millington wrote: »

Axa, Carole Nash, Campion, MIG & Autoline also

Well not really. Campion, MIG, and Autoline are only the brokers, someone else underwrites it.

AndyBoBandy

Saab 93 LPT with test until next April claiming only 56k miles on the clock for €800
Auto with bluetooth and parking sensors

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/immaculate-saab-93-lpt-low-millage/12113091



Looks immaculate

acronym Chilli

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Saab 93 LPT with test until next April claiming only 56k miles on the clock for €800
Auto with bluetooth and parking sensors

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/immaculate-saab-93-lpt-low-millage/12113091

Looks immaculate

Looks like a nice car, but this bit: "LPT (low pressure turbo) it is means low petrol consumption" is a bit of a stretch! I'm driving one of these in manual and it's definitely not low fuel consumption. I think in fact the LPT could have slightly worse fuel consumption. It depends a bit on your mix of driving though. (LPT supposed to be a little better for lower-rev/lower-speed, i.e. urban, drive; Normal turbo better on motorway).

Not trying to put anyone off though, could be a very nice car. Do check the service history. If it's had synthetic oil on the right intervals it should be ok. Even if not, worst that happens is it dies and you're down the <800 you spent on it (plus residual tax I guess?). Even though the fuel consumption is high, what you save on depreciation/interest pays for a lot of petrol, and even with the LPT these shift pretty well in terms of acceleration through mid and up to motorway overtaking.

ligertigon

acronym Chilli wrote: »

Looks like a nice car, but this bit: "LPT (low pressure turbo) it is means low petrol consumption" is a bit of a stretch! I'm driving one of these in manual and it's definitely not low fuel consumption. I think in fact the LPT could have slightly worse fuel consumption. It depends a bit on your mix of driving though. (LPT supposed to be a little better for lower-rev/lower-speed, i.e. urban, drive; Normal turbo better on motorway).

Not trying to put anyone off though, could be a very nice car. Do check the service history. If it's had synthetic oil on the right intervals it should be ok. Even if not, worst that happens is it dies and you're down the <800 you spent on it (plus residual tax I guess?). Even though the fuel consumption is high, what you save on depreciation/interest pays for a lot of petrol, and even with the LPT these shift pretty well in terms of acceleration through mid and up to motorway overtaking.

I drive a Saab 93 2003 LPT. I bought it for €900. I get 38mpg on motorway. In town not so good, but thats not what its for! On B roads at 90/100kph I get just over 40. Its going to be more trustworthy than an equivalent diesel of the same era in terms of flywheel/cam belt worries. The equivalent diesel will get better mpg, but not by as much as can be justified in my view. Top that with the fact that in 5 mins it can be mapped to 220bhp and still retain similar mpg if you don't have a lead foot!

An Ri rua

colm_mcm wrote: »

Really like these, the first brisk diesel of that size car. Taxed as 2.0 as its 1905cc though.

Yes, and if I am correct, the coolant preheats the diesel. In which case, it will take SVO. You can pay the excise directly to Revenue (although they won't like it) and put either a winter mix, or straight summer SVO with a dash of kero or petrol into that baby and add a bit of hypermiling and you are in bangernomics commuter heaven

Seriously.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-21-txi/11575455



If you didn't do much driving, and could bag a classic policy [should have very little difficulty] this would certainly make for a left field choice of transport. A fresh one year NCT cert is always reassuring on an older car. The seller is doing himself no favours with his obstinate pricing, mind.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-v70-cross-country-all-wheel-drive-awd/11698907



Never too early to prepare for Winter. NCT 3/17 - €1250

Toyotafanboi

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-celica-03-vvt-black/12218741

Nice bit of hairdresser nomics.

acronym Chilli

ligertigon wrote: »

I drive a Saab 93 2003 LPT. I bought it for €900. I get 38mpg on motorway. In town not so good, but thats not what its for! On B roads at 90/100kph I get just over 40. Its going to be more trustworthy than an equivalent diesel of the same era in terms of flywheel/cam belt worries. The equivalent diesel will get better mpg, but not by as much as can be justified in my view. Top that with the fact that in 5 mins it can be mapped to 220bhp and still retain similar mpg if you don't have a lead foot!

I'm driving a 2002 2.0LPT 93. Bought for €900 in December. Have driven 8k miles since then and over that averaged 9.25 l/100km based on fuel tracking. I'm doing about 800 km a week of motorway driving. Spent more on petrol by now than on the car. Really like the car

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-525i-new-nct/12163046



Nice looking 525 auto with a years test for under a grand

bear1

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-21-txi/11575455



If you didn't do much driving, and could bag a classic policy [should have very little difficulty] this would certainly make for a left field choice of transport. A fresh one year NCT cert is always reassuring on an older car. The seller is doing himself no favours with his obstinate pricing, mind.

What's stubborn about the price? Seems bang on for that considering the long NCT, classic insurance qualification and very nice spec.

Duke O Smiley

bear1 wrote: »

What's stubborn about the price? Seems bang on for that considering the long NCT, classic insurance qualification and very nice spec.

The fact that he isn't willing to budge at all on the price does not bode well with me. It has been for sale a long time, it isn't as if he will have people queuing up to buy it!

selectamatic

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https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1996-celica-st202-nct-and-taxed-until-jan-2017/12194968

clean unmolested celica st202 tax and test till 2017! Toyota's brilliant 3sge engine in a cheap package and that's before the amount of tax on the car is taken into account, a bit of a haggle and you'd be away with it. Great sporty bangernomics. solid buy for any man lucky enough to have reasonable insurance costs, a classic policy would be the job but the jap import part may hinder that.

jcon1913

acronym Chilli wrote: »

Looks like a nice car, but this bit: "LPT (low pressure turbo) it is means low petrol consumption" is a bit of a stretch! I'm driving one of these in manual and it's definitely not low fuel consumption. I think in fact the LPT could have slightly worse fuel consumption. It depends a bit on your mix of driving though. (LPT supposed to be a little better for lower-rev/lower-speed, i.e. urban, drive; Normal turbo better on motorway).

Not trying to put anyone off though, could be a very nice car. Do check the service history. If it's had synthetic oil on the right intervals it should be ok. Even if not, worst that happens is it dies and you're down the <800 you spent on it (plus residual tax I guess?). Even though the fuel consumption is high, what you save on depreciation/interest pays for a lot of petrol, and even with the LPT these shift pretty well in terms of acceleration through mid and up to motorway overtaking.

Most Saabs of that age were LPT. They were so heavy the non-LPTs were crap - really slow. Anyway at €800 you wont be worried about an extra €20 a week on petrol. The LPT versions were fairly quick - not s*** of a shovel quick but not half bad. And not being full turbo they dont load your insurance AFAIK.

ba_barabus

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

The fact that he isn't willing to budge at all on the price does not bode well with me. It has been for sale a long time, it isn't as if he will have people queuing up to buy it!

Someone posted they had spotted that car on the road and that it had mismatched panels. Haven't seen it myself however. Spec is odd too with the leather and as you point out the price has been high and dropping without a sale for what must be over 6 months now.

I'd personally like to see it in the flesh but they are notorious for rust.

JohnBoy26

ba_barabus wrote: »

Someone posted they had spotted that car on the road and that it had mismatched panels. Haven't seen it myself however. Spec is odd too with the leather and as you point out the price has been high and dropping without a sale for what must be over 6 months now.

I'd personally like to see it in the flesh but they are notorious for rust.

It must be rough. If it was clean it would be snapped up.

GvidoR

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Looks the part if that's your thing ....

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-golf-tdi-estate-low-miles/12191818

Damn, I wish I saw that before the ad was taken down. Anyone remember much about it?

colm_mcm

Dark green Golf mk4 estate. Think it was 130bhp.
Comfortline, cream interior. Enthusiast owned, think the mileage was very handy on it.

This is the seller
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/fiesta-mk1-and-mk2-parts/12018430

GvidoR

Sounds very good.
And the price? Pls don't torture me.

job seeker

GvidoR wrote: »

Sounds very good.
And the price? Pls don't torture me.

Was it something like 1200? IIRC!

Bandito909

^1250euro

job seeker

Bandito909 wrote: »

^1250euro

Yes! It also looked spotless!

colm_mcm

Taxed for the year and all!

GvidoR

Ow.

colm_mcm

Not really though.

Esel

Consider it a bullet dodged.

acronym Chilli

Esel wrote: »

Consider it a bullet dodged.

How come?

acronym Chilli

jcon1913 wrote: »

Most Saabs of that age were LPT. They were so heavy the non-LPTs were crap - really slow. Anyway at €800 you wont be worried about an extra €20 a week on petrol. The LPT versions were fairly quick - not s*** of a shovel quick but not half bad. And not being full turbo they dont load your insurance AFAIK.

When you say "non-LPT" and that they were slow, you mean with no turbo at all? Those probably would have been crap. Not sure was it in 2002 line-up, but they had "1.8" 9-3s which in fact were a 2.0l 9-3 without turbo (still has 2.0l tax though).

When I say "non-LPT" I mean "with normal (higher) pressure turbo" or even better "HOT" (High Output Turbo). Most of the cars sold back then (and now on used market) seem to be the 154bhp LPT, but I'd rather have a 185bhp regular turbo or the 205 (or whatever) HOT. Haven't heard any downside to the 185bhp variant.

Regarding insurance: not sure about the loading. What I have found is that the Saab 93 is probably a little bit harder to insure than some others. My data is looking for quotes for my wife who's only got named driver experience. Axa would happily quote her online for that VW Golf diesel, even though it's 2001; would also quote her for the old Citroen ZX that was posted here (which was even older, 1995 or something). But put in a 2002 Saab 93 (LPT) and no dice, so it's not just the 15 year criteria. Ditto for a newer Saab 95.

jcon1913

acronym Chilli wrote: »

When you say "non-LPT" and that they were slow, you mean with no turbo at all? Those probably would have been crap. Not sure was it in 2002 line-up, but they had "1.8" 9-3s which in fact were a 2.0l 9-3 without turbo (still has 2.0l tax though).

When I say "non-LPT" I mean "with normal (higher) pressure turbo" or even better "HOT" (High Output Turbo). Most of the cars sold back then (and now on used market) seem to be the 154bhp LPT, but I'd rather have a 185bhp regular turbo or the 205 (or whatever) HOT. Haven't heard any downside to the 185bhp variant.

Regarding insurance: not sure about the loading. What I have found is that the Saab 93 is probably a little bit harder to insure than some others. My data is looking for quotes for my wife who's only got named driver experience. Axa would happily quote her online for that VW Golf diesel, even though it's 2001; would also quote her for the old Citroen ZX that was posted here (which was even older, 1995 or something). But put in a 2002 Saab 93 (LPT) and no dice, so it's not just the 15 year criteria. Ditto for a newer Saab 95.

My 1997 Saab 93 non-turbo was slow. My 1993 Saab 9900 LPT was not. I dont know what the BHP of either car was. Thats all I know 😄

colm_mcm

acronym Chilli wrote: »

When you say "non-LPT" and that they were slow, you mean with no turbo at all? Those probably would have been crap. Not sure was it in 2002 line-up, but they had "1.8" 9-3s which in fact were a 2.0l 9-3 without turbo (still has 2.0l tax though).

When I say "non-LPT" I mean "with normal (higher) pressure turbo" or even better "HOT" (High Output Turbo). Most of the cars sold back then (and now on used market) seem to be the 154bhp LPT, but I'd rather have a 185bhp regular turbo or the 205 (or whatever) HOT. Haven't heard any downside to the 185bhp variant.

Regarding insurance: not sure about the loading. What I have found is that the Saab 93 is probably a little bit harder to insure than some others. My data is looking for quotes for my wife who's only got named driver experience. Axa would happily quote her online for that VW Golf diesel, even though it's 2001; would also quote her for the old Citroen ZX that was posted here (which was even older, 1995 or something). But put in a 2002 Saab 93 (LPT) and no dice, so it's not just the 15 year criteria. Ditto for a newer Saab 95.

In the later model Saab 93, the 1.8i was a 1.8 normally aspirated engine like you'd get in a Vectra. They had a 1.8t which was a lower bhp 2.0 turbo engine.