BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day

selectamatic

millington wrote: »

DC1s aren't D16 they're ZC and 130bhp. All of which are VTEC, except the early bugeye dual carb models.
Anyway, great cars. Not much out there better for the money in terms of looks, power, reliability and tuning scope!
Also, Irish 1.4 EK boxes are just as woeful, it's an old S20 out of an EG3 that has the shorter ratios.
Prefacelift UK/Irish EJ9s were 90bhp from a D14A4, facelifts were only 75bhp with a D14Z2 engine.

the zc engines are still considered d16 engines though, they were only badged differently as they were a jdm engine they are practically identical to the d16z6 and a good few of the other d16 engines. as ya said though only the older ones are non vtec.
The s20 boxes come in long and short ratio's too and are again practically identical to the s40 boxes except for the material the shift forks are made outta (aluminum in s20's and steel in s40's) s20/s40 boxes with the b000 code are short ratio boxes and the a000 ones are long.

there are a lot of variations in power from the 1.4's due to slightly different engines being used in cars of similar ages/spec. not all prefacelifts ej's have the d14a4 some have the d14a3 and these ones only have 75bhp. To my knowledge the facelift ones came with the d14z2 which I understand to be 90bhp and d14z3 (75bhp) there are also many other d14 engines in the various other models of civics mb2, 1.4is, 1.4sr etc and they too vary between 75-90bhp.

Some have the short box (b000) some have the long one (a000) I can't swear which ones have which but I've seen a nice few with the shorter box.
I was kinda over simplifying things in my original post and in the case of the dc1 I was actually wrong as these are supposed to have a short ratio box due to them being jdm (so a change of gearbox won't achieve anything) I've never been in a dc1 so I can't confirm this however in the case of the d16 civics they generally always have the really long ratio boxes which is what I wrongly assumed the dc1 would have. The jdm ek3 d15z7 with three stage vtec also has a short ratio gearbox.

Ded_Zebra

Thought these had become more expensive than the banger budget but this fantastic looking example just about squeezes into budget :cool:

Test until next September.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-xj-series-xj8-auto/10761830?offset=28

unkel

Red Kev wrote: »

That needs an NCT, it's a 1980. Arse is sagging which is a bad sign, the self levelling suspension is on the way out. Also has flecks of rust beneath the lights and on the boot which means approach with caution. I looked at it, but its suspiciously cheap.

If it was any good the owner would drive it back to Holland as its worth a lot more there.

I'm not sure what it would be worth in Holland, but recently the concession on vintage tax was changed so it no longer applies to LPG or diesel cars until they are 40 years old! And tax over there is similarly expensive as it is here, so prices of these cars over there must have taken a big hit I would imagine

Red Kev

BMW 520i, 04/16. €1750. Nice colours, had a recent valet. Manual for those who want it.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/m-tec-5-series-bmw/10897394?offset=9


LPG 520i, 05/16, €2200. Cheaper to run this one. Auto with a nice colour scheme, nice alloys.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-520-lpg/10739495?offset=30


Cheaper to run again.... Rover 75 Connoisseur diesel, with plenty of extras, it even comes with 4 months tax !

NCT 04/16, €1750.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/rover-75-diesel-estate/10863686?offset=25

Prefect_1998

Red Kev wrote: »

BMW 523i, 04/16. €1750. Nice colours, had a recent valet. Manual for those who want it.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/m-tec-5-series-bmw/10897394?offset=9


LPG 520i, 05/16, €2200. Cheaper to run this one. Auto with a nice colour scheme, nice alloys.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-520-lpg/10739495?offset=30




Cheaper to run again.... Rover 75 Connoisseur diesel, with plenty of extras, it even comes with 4 months tax !

NCT 04/16, €1750.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/rover-75-diesel-estate/10863686?offset=25

is that 523i ? he has it down as a 2.2lt:rolleyes:

Soarer

Red Kev wrote: »

Cheaper to run again.... Rover 75 Connoisseur diesel, with plenty of extras, it even comes with 4 months tax !

NCT 04/16, €1750.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/rover-75-diesel-estate/10863686?offset=25

How reliable are those yokes? Is that one of the beemer engines that has the issue with the chain snapping?

I've always liked those 75s. Probably because I'm nearly 40. Also a sucker for a palindromic number plate.

Hal1

danielle_door wrote: »

is that 523i ? he has it down as a 2.2lt:rolleyes:

mywheels check.

Basic Vehicle Details

This car has been imported from outside the UK and Ireland.

Registration: 03WH4499
Color: BLUE

Make: BMW
Fuel: PETROL

Model: 520
Engine: 2.2L on de book :rolleyes:

Red Kev

danielle_door wrote: »

is that 523i ? he has it down as a 2.2lt:rolleyes:

Sorry, my typo, i was looking at a 523 as well. 520 it is.

selectamatic

Soarer wrote: »

How reliable are those yokes? Is that one of the beemer engines that has the issue with the chain snapping?

I've always liked those 75s. Probably because I'm nearly 40. Also a sucker for a palindromic number plate.

They have the older BMW engine that was in e46 320d's. It's generally quite reliable and didn't have the timing chain issues the newer engines have. I don't know whether the rovers have the 136bhp engine or the 150bhp engine however I'd say it's the 136 variant. Which is non common rail and supposedly very reliable. The newer 150bhp ones are reliable too however some suffer from swirl flap issues and crankcase breather issues. Both are easy fixes if got on time. However if not they can be much more costly especially the swirl flap issues. All told though these issues aren't massively widespread and were largely due to a lack of servicing (like many issues).
Couldn't comment on the rest of the cars reliability but the engine shouldn't cause too much worry. Many people have nothing but praise for 75's so they most likely are a good car and I'd imagine equally as reliable as the German equivalents of the time.

Long Time Lurker

Oh God. I'm being a hypocrite now :-)

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10889698

alias no.9

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Oh God. I'm being a hypocrite now :-)

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10889698

Thats the spirit!

Drive, enjoy it and dump it when it's time, its not a classic you're looking for

davycc

danielle_door wrote: »

is that 523i ? he has it down as a 2.2lt:rolleyes:

its a genuine 520i 2.2 liter engine replaced the older 2 liter 520i engine

the 523i was actually finished before 2002 and was a 2.5 liter

beemernomics logic :pac::D

looks class in that color combo but i wouldnt touch it myself been skangerised:o

fake plastic brembo break calipers , random tacky fake carbon badges and a 'mpower ' engine :rolleyes:

Prefect_1998

davycc wrote: »

its a genuine 520i 2.2 liter engine replaced the older 2 liter 520i engine

the 523i was actually finished before 2002 and was a 2.5 liter

beemernomics logic :pac::D

looks class in that color combo but i wouldnt touch it myself been skangerised:o

fake plastic brembo break calipers , random tacky fake carbon badges and a 'mpower ' engine :rolleyes:

is the newer 2.2 a better engine ?

unkel

There's very little in it. Both are very reliable and smooth engines. The newer 2.2l M54 engine has 20BHP more but obviously costs several hundred more to tax.

Prefect_1998

unkel wrote: »

There's very little in it. Both are very reliable and smooth engines. The newer 2.2l M54 engine has 20BHP more but obviously costs several hundred more to tax.

and how do they compete against the 2.5 e39?
I have the 523i (2.5) and its very smooth.. but its sluggish taking off, the 2.0 must really feel underpowered !!

unkel

523i (2.5) and 520i (2.2) have the same power. The 523i has a little bit more torque. In day to day driving there isn't any noticeable difference. If either of them isn't adequate for you, you'll need the 530i (3.0) which has significantly more power and torque and as such is a much faster car

And if both of those are ok for you, then even the 2.0 will do, but you will need to put in more effort to get the power out (it has only 150bhp). As in keeping the engine at at least 3k-4k rpm, which will be brutal on your fuel consumption

Prefect_1998

unkel wrote: »

523i (2.5) and 520i (2.2) have the same power. The 523i has a little bit more torque. In day to day driving there isn't any noticeable difference. If either of them isn't adequate for you, you'll need the 530i (3.0) which has significantly more power and torque and as such is a much faster car

And if both of those are ok for you, then even the 2.0 will do, but you will need to put in more effort to get the power out (it has only 150bhp). As in keeping the engine at at least 3k-4k rpm, which will be brutal on your fuel consumption

i bought the 523i as a stop gap car, was cheap and its very smooth and comfortable, but I moved from a mapped golf gti, very different beasts I know.
on the 523 ihave to look at the rev counter to see if the engine is running sometimes!!!

unkel

Different beasts is right! The Golf is a lot lighter and has a turbo compressor, which provides more power and lot more torque at lower revs (but not at idle)

I'd say 0-10km/h your 523i is quicker, but after that the turbo will make the Golf win hands down in a sprint

Red Kev

Speak of the devil.......

BMW 530 diesel, Auto. NCT 08/16. €1400. Fcuk the tax. If I knew I was going to do heavy mileage for a year I'd take a spin down to Mallow and look at this. It's almost too cheap, leather interior , from the outside it looks fine.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/01-bmw-530-d/10279924?offset=7



If the car checks out the Tax is €830 for 6 months, €1250 for 9. I'd tax it from Dec 1st, book an NCT in August for the end of September and see how it goes. You can drive it till the test comes up and see where you stand. Works out at €125 per month tax, or €4 per day. I've spent a lot more on a lot worse than that.

unkel

I apologise, another Saab 9-5 from me. They are just incredible value for money, it's one of the bangernomics kings imho

'05 9-5 2.3 turbo auto. Taxed till early '16, NCT end August '16 (I checked both, car has only 2 owners too), very good spec. No sludge problem on this model.



Linky

Long Time Lurker

As awful as it comes but they never break. Tenner says its yours for change outta 500. Cheap family motoring. Sell on for the same in a years time

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10791897

Long Time Lurker

The last car you'll ever buy, so long as you don't mind taxing it that is. Target price has got to be 1500 quid!

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10830376

Long Time Lurker

Technically this doesn't qualify, technically, because there's no NCT.

But .... 700 miles since the last time it was tested says, unless something catastrophic has gone wrong with it since, there really can't be too much wrong with it. There'll be no que for this one so I'd say insult away. Start around the 350 mark. There's no doubt in my mind it'll come home round the 500.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10810702

Bigus

^^^^^^ that Camry engine is trouble believe it or not, very oil change frequency dependent .

cadaliac

Bigus wrote: »

^^^^^^ that Camry engine is trouble believe it or not, very oil change frequency dependent .

Is it a jap import also? Different dash ....??
I don't know, just asking.

Light clusters look different to UK/Ire cars too.

W123-80's

'05 147
Good advert
Tax until Jan '16
Test May '15
Low miles

I don't get the love for Alfa'a in general but this one looks pretty.
Nice colour combo.
I still wouldn't buy it!

Asking €2k

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-147-1-6-low-mileage-perfect-condition/10924749

unkel

W123-80's wrote: »

I still wouldn't buy it!

Then you shouldn't post it. See the 4 simple rules on pages 1!

W123-80's

unkel wrote: »

Then you shouldn't post it. See the 4 simple rules on pages 1!

I expected someone to pull me on that!

I think this is still decent bangernomics albeit not to my half arsed taste in motors!

colm_mcm

2 grand though?

W123-80's

colm_mcm wrote: »

2 grand though?

I assume it could be bought for less.
Is €1,500 a good price? its splitting hairs after that IF the car is genuinely as good as it looks and the low miles checks out.