Injury prone players

chrissb8

Do you think players like Jack Wilshere, Phil Jones, Abou Diaby should retire if injuries keep occurring at the risk of doing permanent damage?

Are there certain players whose body just isn't able for football or is it a series of unfortunate incidents?

Can players do more to not get injured so much? E.G not going in for stupid challenges, not playing through pain or doing what players like Ronaldo do and fortifying their bodies to resist injury.

CSF

It depends on the injury really, recurring muscular injuries are a scourge, but there's no legislating for impact injuries.

callaway92

Ankle injuries, for sure. Jack Wilshere is a mess.

keano_afc

Some players are just more robust. Ashley Williams at Swansea springs to mind. Some players are just not up to it. In Diaby's case the majority of his injuries were muscle based, sometimes the guy would get injured kicking the ball and not be seen for months.

AdamD

Why would Wilshere retire and miss out on years of earning millions? His careers hardly doomed either, still time to recover.

The Golden Miller

Leed's United's one season wonder Michael Bridges. Injuries destroyed his whole career. Pable Aimar became very injury prone whilst nearing the end of his Valencia career when he still had alot more to give to the game at the very highest level.

Captain Havoc

Andy Carroll prolonged his injury doing something normal recently, that man is made of glass.

homerjay2005

Jones is more clumsy than anything else, alot of his injuries appear to be from diving in and hurting himself or other players.

Michael Owen was bad. Redknapp another that springs to mind

Harry Palmr

Arsenal club is legendary its fair to say for the number of players who in a given season will miss months due to soft tissue damage. Are players prone a certain physical type? A type that Wenger happens to like?

Mantis Toboggan

Chris Kirkland was desperate for injuries. Won't see any of them retiring though aslong as their getting paid.

How does Ronaldo fortify his body?

tonycascarino

Our own Darron Gibson seems to be permanently injured.

keeponhurling

Some of these players even get lengthy extended contracts, they'd be mad to turn them down.
It's the clubs you'd wonder about

redzerdrog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How does Ronaldo fortify his body?

Drugs

HalloweenJack

keeponhurling wrote: »

Some of these players even get lengthy extended contracts, they'd be mad to turn them down.
It's the clubs you'd wonder about

Think United and City were both mad to go after Hargreaves when they did.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

How does Ronaldo fortify his body?

Suarez is the same. Actually messi hardly misses a game. What are these guys taking.

tombliboo83

Michael Owen was bad alright but a lot of it was down to him being developed too quickly at Liverpool, he played way too much with the big boys when he was still very young. Especially for a player whose game was built on short sharp busts of speed

kippy

niallo27 wrote: »

Suarez is the same. Actually messi hardly misses a game. What are these guys taking.

Freaks of nature in many ways.

Guy:Incognito

niallo27 wrote: »

Suarez is the same. Actually messi hardly misses a game. What are these guys taking.

Suarez gets a few months off every now and then to rest.

rob316

Suarez has missed more games through suspension than injury. He also is happy to play through injuries, man is a machine.

dreamers75

Played 7 a side tonight and 4 players left early due to injury.....the same 4 players who are always injured.

Guess its not a pro footballer thing.

SureYWouldntYa

keano_afc wrote: »

Some players are just more robust. Ashley Williams at Swansea springs to mind. Some players are just not up to it. In Diaby's case the majority of his injuries were muscle based, sometimes the guy would get injured kicking the ball and not be seen for months.

You're right about Williams, only missed 7 league games in 7 years

NIMAN

Wasn't Robben a guy who went from being injury prone to being a top athlete who hardly ever missed a game, even though his body was getting older.

Xavi in his early career also injured a fair but, then late in his career was able to play for about 6 yrs constantly without a break.

Some might get suspicious of these types of recoveries, or perhaps they got a better physio with better training techniques?

JIdontknow

Ledley King another example, got to the stage he wouldn't train just play match on weekend according to 'Arry.

SureYWouldntYa

NIMAN wrote: »

Wasn't Robben a guy who went from being injury prone to being a top athlete who hardly ever missed a game, even though his body was getting older.

Xavi in his early career also injured a fair but, then late in his career was able to play for about 6 yrs constantly without a break.

Some might get suspicious of these types of recoveries, or perhaps they got a better physio with better training techniques?

Look at Robben's appearances, he still misses a lot of games

Darren Anderton aka Sicknote...

efb

All these older players playing to extreme levels... The wonder of god I suppose...

MD1990

A broken leg or an ACL injury early in your career seems to be terrible for any player tbh. They come back but it can result in different injuries especially muscle injuries. It probably results in muscle imbalaces with one leg being dormant for 6 months.

Liam O

NIMAN wrote: »

Wasn't Robben a guy who went from being injury prone to being a top athlete who hardly ever missed a game, even though his body was getting older.

Xavi in his early career also injured a fair but, then late in his career was able to play for about 6 yrs constantly without a break.

Some might get suspicious of these types of recoveries, or perhaps they got a better physio with better training techniques?

There are certain question marks but I'd put it more down to the facts their bodies wouldn't have taken as much of a toll over the years from not training or playing as much as others, the recovery process is probably beneficial in the long term too with strengthening muscles. No science to support this obviously but makes sense to me.

efb

Them magic sponges can be great

AdamD

There's a fair amount linking Barcelona with dodgy doctors, weren't Xavi's running stats silly for years too?

rob316

RVP was an absolute crock at Arsenal for years but in the last few between Arsenal and United he was rarely out. It does seem to be more that he was moved to an out and out CF.

Players like Owen and Torres were burnt out at an early age as they were playing 1st team football week in week out at 17 and were huge players for their respective clubs so were often rushed back. They also relied on that burst of pace over a couple of yards to beat defenders, once the knee and hamstring injuries started creeping in they lost that and were never the same again.

Ronaldo, Messi and Suarez are 3 players who are in remarkable shape.

OwaynOTT

How much of it is down to mentality? Darren Antherton, Wilshere, Diaby, Redknapp, Studrridge (lately) etc.

Whereas the likes of Suarez is actually unhinged in his approach to the game with his desire to win and be the best. He's always fully committed to what he does, never any doubt and doesn't hold back.
Whereas some of the others I feel don't have that attitude. How often do you hear about players getting injured by pulling out of a tackle.
Then the accumulation of injuries starts putting doubts in the players mind about their body and they don't do what they use to do. Either accumulating more injuries or becoming a shadow of themselves.
Some players like Keane, who had some major injuries had the mentality, the absolute sheer bat**** craziness desire to win that doesn't let them doubt.
Sometimes having no regard for your body helps, whereas braving yourself or having second thoughts leads to injuries.
Don't try to stop yourself from falling, just go with it.
Kinda like how drunks/sleeping passengers often don't get hurt in car crashes. Their ragdollness helps them avoid injuries that their bracing colleagues get.

Now that could all be baloney.

bucketybuck

OwaynOTT wrote: »

How much of it is down to mentality? Darren Antherton, Wilshere, Diaby, Redknapp, Studrridge (lately) etc.

Darren Anderton kept coming back again and again and again, only retiring in lower league football at around 37 years of age. You think he was weak mentally?

You think the likes of Ledley King were weak mentally and just didn't have the will to win of the likes of Keane?

SM01

Keith O'Neill always springs to mind on this subject.

Someone mentioned muscle imbalances. As an example with the hamstring, which you'll commonly see go in a match, the strength ratio of that muscle group should be at least 1:1 relative to the quads but preferably 1.2:1 (with the hamstrings being slightly stronger) in elite sports folk such as footballers. Mine used to tear regularly when playing ball at amateur muppet level but one I started hamstring specific training the tears stopped completely.

pmasterson95

Didn't Djibril Cisse break each leg twice?

Harry Palmr

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Didn't Djibril Cisse break each leg twice?

Ah he isn't that good! :pac: He's only has two breaks.

OwaynOTT

bucketybuck wrote: »

Darren Anderton kept coming back again and again and again, only retiring in lower league football at around 37 years of age. You think he was weak mentally?

You think the likes of Ledley King were weak mentally and just didn't have the will to win of the likes of Keane?

I never said weak mentality but rather different types of attitudes towards their bodies.
Of course some just disnt have the body to cope such as Ledley King but definitely had the termination. And maybe Darren was the same i can't recall.

But then again, there's a termination to keep coming back from injury and not letting it hamper your career too much. there's some that never really recover and just seem to be always coming back from an injury before they get one again.
Of course the body has a part to play but how much of a part does the mind have?

You sometimes hear managers question a players desire to play in spite of small knocks.
Some players will play through the pain and others won't. Physicality plays a part but so does attitude.

bradlente

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Arsenal club is legendary its fair to say for the number of players who in a given season will miss months due to soft tissue damage. Are players prone a certain physical type? A type that Wenger happens to like?

I remember reading an interview with him not long ago where he suspected that some products players might take for cosmetic uses could have some sort of side-effect that increases the likelihood of injury, never seemed to go anywhere from there though.

pmasterson95

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ah he isn't that good! :pac: He's only has two breaks.

once for Liverpool vs. Blackburn, once for France before WC.

I thought he had another break at Marseille at least?

efb

When you get an injury the likes of Alf inga Haaland or Ramsey got you cant blame the player injured