Dynamo Zagreb vs Arsenal

efb

Richie Sadlier right too

Dirty Dingus McGee

Darragh Maloney said Arsenal have underachieved in Europe.

Surely it's simply a case that Arsenal aren't a great team and the last 16 is basically as good as they are.

tayto lover

shano_88 wrote: »

Bull****.

Where was the focus, the urgency?
We've seen this all too often under Wenger.

JustTheOne

When will Giles retire.

He's an idiot.

Bobby Baccala

We have a reputation for under performing against these smaller clubs. It was brushed aside when I mentioned it yesterday. Never underestimate the bottling power of Arsenal haha.

efb

JustTheOne wrote: »

When will Giles retire.

He's an idiot.

He talks more shight that Redknapp... Keeps harking back to the 70's

extra gravy

18 years in the CL and we still can't defend a set piece.

efb

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Darragh Maloney said Arsenal have underachieved in Europe.

Surely it's simply a case that Arsenal aren't a great team and the last 16 is basically as good as they are.

I don't think Arsenal are in the top ten in Europe so last 16 isn't under achieving

Roquentin

efb wrote: »

Brady right, Giles talking though his hoop

have given up watching rte analysis because of giles and dunphy. brady is good but the other two arent great

Dirty Dingus McGee

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Darragh Maloney said Arsenal have underachieved in Europe.

Surely it's simply a case that Arsenal aren't a great team and the last 16 is basically as good as they are.

If champions league form dictates whether a team is great, then man city are absolute rubbish and should have their premier league titles stripped.

kronsington

Really don't understand the "not propery prepared" line of criticism. The players have to go out and perform. Shouldering all the blame on wenger is ridiculous

Quazzie

kronsington wrote: »

Really don't understand the "not propery prepared" line of criticism. The players have to go out and perform. Shouldering all the blame on wenger is ridiculous

He chose the players. He chose to make the changes. He didn't prepare the team right. Every man and his dog could see Giroud shouldn't have been out there, so why did he start?

tayto lover

kronsington wrote: »

Really don't understand the "not propery prepared" line of criticism. The players have to go out and perform. Shouldering all the blame on wenger is ridiculous

We already discussed the players in the thread.
Wenger hadn't that team properly prepared by any stretch of the imagination.
Poor everywhere including discipline.
The buck stops with the person in charge though.

Soups123

kronsington wrote: »

Really don't understand the "not propery prepared" line of criticism. The players have to go out and perform. Shouldering all the blame on wenger is ridiculous

So players play well then good aul Arsene, the players play **** again it's the players fault not Arsene's, right?

efb

Roquentin wrote: »

have given up watching rte analysis because of giles and dunphy. brady is good but the other two arent great

Sadlier, Souness good too. The top two are just there for the "banter"

greendom

kronsington wrote: »

Really don't understand the "not propery prepared" line of criticism. The players have to go out and perform. Shouldering all the blame on wenger is ridiculous

agreed - so many players out there with so much to prove - to show to the boss that they were worthy of a place in the first 11 and they just didn't cut it. Debuchy and Gibbs in particular were awful. Not absolving the regulars either, Koscielny didn't look interested, Cazorla was half-hearted and Ozil made a lot of mis-placed passes. Giroud needs cop-on and you could forgive what he did if he were a teenager but not at 28/29, should never have given the ref a decision to make.

kronsington

Soups123 wrote: »

So players play well then good aul Arsene, the players play **** again it's the players fault not Arsene's, right?

Not saying that at all. What Im saying is that I dont understand how some people are shouldering the all the blame for this result on wenger. Are the players not culpable at all?

Soups123

kronsington wrote: »

Not saying that at all. What Im saying is that I dont understand how some people are shouldering the all the blame for this result on wenger. Are the players not culpable at all?

This is 110% his squad and he thought no player in world football could be got to improve it. These performances are the norm under Arsene

Nalz

What did Brady say

tanko

No shortage of excuses from Wenger, was he watching a different game?

jonneymendoza

Quazzie wrote: »

He chose the players. He chose to make the changes. He didn't prepare the team right. Every man and his dog could see Giroud shouldn't have been out there, so why did he start?

because his better then walcott

Quazzie

jonneymendoza wrote: »

because his better then walcott

Their recent scoring history (tonight included) would suggest you are wrong.

Also in hindsight, we can all see that tonight's game would've suit Walcott with the space available in behind their back four. Surely Wenger would've seen this from his scout reports.

But he still stuck with Giroud.

tayto lover

Quazzie wrote: »

Their recent scoring history (tonight included) would suggest you are wrong.

Also in hindsight, we can all see that tonight's game would've suit Walcott with the space available in behind their back four. Surely Wenger would've seen this from his scout reports.

But he still stuck with Giroud.

I would have picked Walcott for tonight too and posted this before the game.
Simply because he likes this ground and scored 3 for England on his last visit. Horses for courses.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Basil3 wrote: »

If champions league form dictates whether a team is great, then man city are absolute rubbish and should have their premier league titles stripped.

Arsenal aren't great (by top European standards) in the premier league either.Based on how they play in the league I wouldn't be expecting much more than a last 16 appearance from them in the champions league.

wandatowell

Deleted User wrote: »

Was it arrogance when we played like that against Bayern/Barcelona/Milan?

Nah that was just plain sh*tting ourselves.

Two very different ways to go about losing a match.

gosplan

wandatowell wrote: »

Lads that was a disaster.

How many times have we performed similar to that in Europe???

There's a stink of arrogance when playing against what is refered to as lesser teams.

Very true. It comes from the fans too though.

I'm not arsed checking back but fairly sure a lot of people felt wholesale changes would be suitable and we'd still win easily. Like this was the equivalent of a league cup game.

I get resting Walcott for Giroud. Leaving both Ramsey and Coq out a mistake in hindsight though.

All that said, we just need 3 wins to qualify really, 2 at home with Olympiacos away the tricky one.

KaiserGunner

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Arsenal aren't great (by top European standards) in the premier league either.Based on how they play in the league I wouldn't be expecting much more than a last 16 appearance from them in the champions league.

It really depends on the draw tbh. I wouldn't fancy us against Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico,Juventus, Bayern, PSG over two legs but against anyone else I'd give Arsenal a more than evens chance.

Stating the obvious here, but none of the English clubs are impressing at this moment in time.

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

efb has said it just a few posts before yours.

Giroud is massively overrated by many, many people on this forum. He isn't anywhere near the quality we require.