Abortion Discussion, Part Trois

volchitsa

frostyjacks wrote: »

Disappointed to see bullyboy tactics succeeded in Poland. It will only embolden the silly women and their beta male lackeys over here. I dread to think what stunts they have in the pipeline.

So you think that men who believe that women are entitled to control over their own bodies are by definition "beta" males? :eek:

Zubeneschamali

I somehow picture Mullen having a sticky 3 foot tongue for catching mice and frogs.

Zubeneschamali

aloyisious wrote: »

This being an irish Times poll, it'll be discounted as biased by people opposed to abortion

I think they'll be happy with that.

They'll scare the 55% "limited abortion" crowd with the spectre of the 19% "UK style abortion" and defeat the referendum.

PopePalpatine

volchitsa wrote: »

So you think that men who believe that women are entitled to control over their own bodies are by definition "beta" males? :eek:

Welcome to alphabater logic, where insecurity over women being able to reject your advances and laugh at your trilby & goatee somehow makes you a macho man.

Desmond Tutu

Desmond Tutu is pro-choice {assisted suicide}.

Desmond Tutu wrote:

Regardless of what you might choose for yourself, why should you deny others the right to make this choice?

aloyisious

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think they'll be happy with that.

They'll scare the 55% "limited abortion" crowd with the spectre of the 19% "UK style abortion" and defeat the referendum.

AKA as the "it'll open the floodgates" syndrome......

I think I'll wait to read the opinion/columnist pieces by David, Brenda and Rónan to get the truth.............

Qs

frostyjacks wrote: »

Disappointed to see bullyboy tactics succeeded in Poland. It will only embolden the silly women and their beta male lackeys over here. I dread to think what stunts they have in the pipeline.

Are they really betas if they're bullying the alphas?

volchitsa

Qs wrote: »

Are they really betas if they're bullying the alphas?

Logic has no place in frostyjack's thinking, it's all about gut feeling and fear of change.

frostyjacks

volchitsa wrote: »

So you think that men who believe that women are entitled to control over their own bodies are by definition "beta" males? :eek:

No man would voluntarily join a bunch of uppity militant feminists on their hateful cause. It would be emasculating.

Delirium

frostyjacks wrote: »

No man would voluntarily join a bunch of uppity militant feminists on their hateful cause. It would be emasculating.

So it's emasculating to support, for example, women who wish to have an abortion due to FFA diagnosis or due to becoming pregnant through rape?

PopePalpatine

frostyjacks wrote: »

No man would voluntarily join a bunch of uppity militant feminists on their hateful cause. It would be emasculating.

Abortion has been a woman's rights issue for the guts of a century. If that's "militant feminist", so were the suffragettes, women asking for property rights, women asking for equal pay for equal work etc.

eviltwin

frostyjacks wrote: »

No man would voluntarily join a bunch of uppity militant feminists on their hateful cause. It would be emasculating.

Nothing emasculating about standing up for the rights of your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister or daughter. My husband was proud to march with me a few weeks ago because he has been personally affected by the lack of abortion services in Ireland. I would say that slagging off other men because they don't tick a box on some "how to be manly" checklist is quite a sad and pathetic way to live but carry on son, you know best.

aloyisious

frostyjacks wrote: »

No man would voluntarily join a bunch of uppity militant feminists on their hateful cause. It would be emasculating.

John McEnroe's exclamation here (part one) just about sum's up my understanding of your's....... The second part of his is just fortuitous.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj71Zn4_8jPAhVoKcAKHen_DXsQtwIIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DekQ_Ja02gTY&usg=AFQjCNF_1QSNuJUQsj81yjNOU-HcKunixA

frag420

frostyjacks wrote: »

No man would voluntarily join a bunch of uppity militant feminists on their hateful cause. It would be emasculating.

Does telling women what they should do with THEIR OWN BODIES make you feel like a real man? Do you feel more masculine looking down at women like that?

Does us a favour and ask your female friends and colleagues what they think a real man would do?

volchitsa

frag420 wrote: »

Does telling women what they should do with THEIR OWN BODIES make you feel like a real man? Do you feel more masculine looking down at women like that?

Does us a favour and ask your female friends and colleagues what they think a real man would do?

Give the uppity b1tch a slap around the head to teach her her place, maybe? :mad:

aloyisious

The topic was on RTE's drive-time while we wrote. It seem's the Govt has given the Citizens Assembly, which sits for the first time in 2 weeks, 6 months to talk and give it a report on the 8th for the Oireachtas. It seem's there might be about 3 months for the houses to talk about the report. It might end up in a referendum after that, rather than Govt initiated law passed by the houses. The current Dail might be history by then. The old tale of elephants gestating.......

frostyjacks

frag420 wrote: »

Does telling women what they should do with THEIR OWN BODIES make you feel like a real man? Do you feel more masculine looking down at women like that?

Does us a favour and ask your female friends and colleagues what they think a real man would do?

Nobody is looking down on women or telling them what they should do; there's no need when the law is sitting proudly over us. If you don't like the law of the land, then leave. How difficult is it for them to obey the law?

All this my body, my choice nonsense...can I walk around Dublin with Swastikas or such like tattooed all over my face and arms? But it's my body, my choice m'lud.


The child pregnant women are carrying has rights. Why are we throwing rights to homosexuals and transgenders and trying to take them off the unborn? Madness.

Delirium

frostyjacks wrote: »

Nobody is looking down on women or telling them what they should do; there's no need when the law is sitting proudly over us. If you don't like the law of the land, then leave. How difficult is it for them to obey the law?

Why should they leave? They can protest/lobby for the laws to be changed.

All this my body, my choice nonsense...can I walk around Dublin with Swastikas or such like tattooed all over my face and arms? But it's my body, my choice m'lud.

Are there any laws prohibiting you from doing so? And what relevance does it have to a pregnant woman availing of an abortion?

The child pregnant women are carrying has rights. Why are we throwing rights to homosexuals and transgenders and trying to take them off the unborn? Madness.

'Protect the unborn....and hope they aren't homosexual or transgender'. :rolleyes:

Hotblack Desiato

frostyjacks wrote: »

Disappointed to see bullyboy tactics succeeded in Poland. It will only embolden the silly women and their beta male lackeys over here. I dread to think what stunts they have in the pipeline.

It was the government's bullyboy tactics which failed.

Hotblack Desiato

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Abortion has been a woman's rights issue for the guts of a century millenium.

fyp There's even a catholic saint who supposedly performed an abortion.

Absolam

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It was the government's bullyboy tactics which failed.

I thought it was NGOs that proposed the legislation, and the government did what it was supposed to do when presented with such a citizens initiative?

aloyisious

frostyjacks wrote: »

Nobody is looking down on women or telling them what they should do; there's no need when the law is sitting proudly over us. If you don't like the law of the land, then leave. How difficult is it for them to obey the law?

All this my body, my choice nonsense...can I walk around Dublin with Swastikas or such like tattooed all over my face and arms? But it's my body, my choice m'lud.


The child pregnant women are carrying has rights. Why are we throwing rights to homosexuals and transgenders and trying to take them off the unborn? Madness.

Nobody is looking down on women or telling them what they should do, seriously? When's the last time you saw or heard mention of a Pro-abortion group offering "abort the feotus" advice to women outside anti-abortion "clinics" which offer women "keep the baby" advice?

Of course we could do again what we did in the 80's, change the law which sit's proudly over us (maybe even looking down on us metaphorically-speaking). That way women wouldn't have to leave the country then like they are now. Difficult enough having to obey the law for 9 months against one's will for a non-criminal act.

Your distraction tactics, throwing in the tattoo, homosexual and transgender citizens to distract doesn't work except on the believers.

frag420

frostyjacks wrote: »

Nobody is looking down on women or telling them what they should do; there's no need when the law is sitting proudly over us. If you don't like the law of the land, then leave. How difficult is it for them to obey the law?

All this my body, my choice nonsense...can I walk around Dublin with Swastikas or such like tattooed all over my face and arms? But it's my body, my choice m'lud.


The child pregnant women are carrying has rights. Why are we throwing rights to homosexuals and transgenders and trying to take them off the unborn? Madness.

So all we have to do is have the referendum, change the law and you will be ok with the new laws, good to know!!

Why would you want to walk around Dublin covered in Swastika tattoos, thats just dumb and looking for attention. Choosing to have an abortion is not attention seeking and more or less a private thing for women.

And how are we throwing away rights? We gave the LGBT community the rights that they should have had all along, we are balancing the cheque book so to speak.

The child a woman is carrying has rights afforded by the law. So all we have to do is change the law as stated above and all is good!

For a while there Jack I thought we were on different pages but it seems we are both on the same page, great to know that you agree!!

Instead of FrostyJack I am going to call you StartingtoThawOutJack!!

Mr. CooL ICE

About this whole swastikas tattooed on your face stuff... People do actually do it. While it seems a bit mad, it is actually for a respectable cause (ugly 90s website alert). And there is a guy who walks around Dublin with this and is an absolute gent if you ever get talking to him.

PopePalpatine

El Salvador's new left-wing government is planning to remove the country's total ban on abortion in the case of rape, threat to the mother's life and fatal foetal abnormalities. BBC

aloyisious

Poland's ruling Govt party planning to bring in another anti-abortion law.... http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/its-not-over-yet-polands-abortion-row-explained-759251.html

Hotblack Desiato

Kaczynski told the Polish news agency PAP: “We will strive to ensure that even in pregnancies which are very difficult, when a child is sure to die, strongly deformed, women end up giving birth so that the child can be baptised, buried, and have a name.”

So if you're not catholic, this law won't apply to you. Why can't all religion-inspired legislation be like that :cool:

Absolam

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

So if you're not catholic, this law won't apply to you. Why can't all religion-inspired legislation be like that :cool:

Dubious... Catholics aren't the only ones who can baptise children.

aloyisious

Family & Life, self-described as Ireland's largest Pro-Life/Pro-Family Human Rights Organisation - thinks tomorrow's sitting of the Citizens Assembly for it's first task to discuss the future of the 8th Amendment is a charade according to it's F/B page. While it is sitting tomorrow, I imagine that it's only to meet & greet each other and with the chair, Judge Laffoy. It's first formal sitting is next month. I'm not sure what Family & Life's belief in the 8th's future is. Drive-Time is discussing what the C.A's will do etc.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjNv4_c2trPAhXCJ8AKHSuQBAkQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FFamilyVitae%2F&usg=AFQjCNE600XTefX_Ufs58O-8nueWNk5fbA

Edit.... one of the things mentioned on RTE news last night was that the persons sitting in the CA would be identified, inclusive of their COUNTY addresses. Whatever about TV cameras covering the sittings and showing who the citizens are, the notion that concerned people might be able to use the H/A info for Pro or Anti purposes is worrying. There is previous established practice of over-enthusiastic people "lobbying" at home addresses here.

Edit..... No HOME ADDRESSES being supplied, only respective COUNTIES...... Ta, Expectationlost

expectationlost

aloyisious wrote: »

Family & Life, self-described as Ireland's largest Pro-Life/Pro-Family Human Rights Organisation - thinks tomorrow's sitting of the Citizens Assembly for it's first task to discuss the future of the 8th Amendment is a charade according to it's F/B page. While it is sitting tomorrow, I imagine that it's only to meet & greet each other and with the chair, Judge Laffoy. It's first formal sitting is next month. I'm not sure what Family & Life's belief in the 8th's future is. Drive-Time is discussing what the C.A's will do etc.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjNv4_c2trPAhXCJ8AKHSuQBAkQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FFamilyVitae%2F&usg=AFQjCNE600XTefX_Ufs58O-8nueWNk5fbA

Edit.... one of the things mentioned on RTE news last night was that the persons sitting in the CA would be identified, inclusive of their home addresses. Whatever about TV cameras covering the sittings and showing who the citizens are, the notion that concerned people might be able to use the H/A info for Pro or Anti purposes is worrying. There is previous established practice of over-enthusiastic people "lobbying" at home addresses here.

county not home address