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Abortion Discussion, Part Trois

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    #8462
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Naah. John Curran in Dublin Mid West is toast.

    And because it's possible for any future government to make abortion illegal again, it's important that people DO think about pro- or anti-choice when voting. It's not a purely constitutional issue which is done and dusted once the referendum is over.

    I'm telling you it will not be an issue for most people at election time. For a small number, maybe. People vote tribally at election time. My pro-life grandparents will vote FG like they have always done.


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    #8463
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Naah. John Curran in Dublin Mid West is toast.

    And because it's possible for any future government to make abortion illegal again, it's important that people DO think about pro- or anti-choice when voting. It's not a purely constitutional issue which is done and dusted once the referendum is over.

    Also, how many of the young people who registered to vote in the referendum will vote in a general election?


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    #8464
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    Yes, but most people won't vote depending on whether the TD is pro-life or pro-choice. People on Boards might, but the general public won't.
    Of course they will, none wants to go backwards and suffer again. No matter how much you want to delude yourself otherwise.

    Where I work sometimes, there is a very closeted pro life cllr and one who is honestly pro life, vast majority of the people who I know in the community will not be voting for either.
    Not one of those ppl are on SM. The lack of signal there doesn't allow for the luxury of it. This is not isolated thinking by a long chalk.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8465
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Bredabe wrote: »
    Of course they will, none wants to go backwards and suffer again. No matter how much you want to delude yourself otherwise.

    Where I work sometimes, there is a very closeted pro life cllr and one who is honestly pro life, vast majority of the people who I know in the community will not be voting for either.
    Not one of those ppl are on SM. The lack of signal there doesn't allow for the luxury of it. This is not isolated thinking by a long chalk.

    Well, we'll see, but I guarantee all the pro-life TDs will be voted in.


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    #8466
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    Also, how many of the young people who registered to vote in the referendum will vote in a general election?

    Lots if you go by the presidential and blas refs. So many young ppl are returning to live here and are used to this kind of healthcare.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8467
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    Well, we'll see, but I guarantee all the pro-life TDs will be voted in.

    We will(not) indeed, but keep taking the meds in the meantime tho.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8468
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Bredabe wrote: »
    Lots if you go by the presidential and blas refs. So many young ppl are returning to live here and are used to this kind of healthcare.

    The number of people under 25 who voted in the Presidential election was tiny.


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    #8469
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    The number of people under 25 who voted in the Presidential election was tiny.

    Nope, the amount of anyone voting in the pres was tiny.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8470
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Bredabe wrote: »
    We will(not) indeed, but keep taking the meds in the meantime tho.

    No need to insult me. I'm just giving my opinion on what will happen at election time.


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    #8471
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Bredabe wrote: »
    Nope, the amount of anyone voting in the pres was tiny.

    But you said "lots".


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    #8472
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    But you said "lots".

    Yes lots in terms of the small no's of that turned out at all.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8473
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Bredabe wrote: »
    Yes lots in terms of the small no's of that turned out at all.

    That doesn't make any sense. Anyway, we've veered off topic. Have a nice day.


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    #8474
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    No need to insult me. I'm just giving my opinion on what will happen at election time.
    Im tempted to respond to this the same way the No campaign sanctioned in its workers, but im better than that, it was just a flippant comment.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8475
    Loafing Oaf
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    Bredabe wrote: »
    Of course they will, none wants to go backwards and suffer again. No matter how much you want to delude yourself otherwise..

    But no-one will be talking about going backwards. Just the same as no-one was talking about re-outlawing divorce at the 1997 election. Guarantee you McGrath, Healy Rea et all will be saying abortion is settled now, we won't be making an issue of it in the next Dail.


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    #8476
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    But no-one will be talking about going backwards. Just the same as no-one was talking about re-outlawing divorce at the 1997 election. Guarantee you McGrath, Healy Rea et all will be saying abortion is settled now, we won't be making an issue of it in the next Dail.
    I hope so, but given international attitudes to issues like these and the views exhibited by others on this thread, for as long as I have ppl of reproductive age in my life I'll be keeping an eye on moves to undermine repeal.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8477
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 35,064 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    Well, we'll see, but I guarantee all the pro-life TDs will be voted in.

    LOL yeah right. RENUA worked out great didn't it?

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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    #8478
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    LOL yeah right. RENUA worked out great didn't it?

    Are you referring to Lucinda Creighton?


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    #8479
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,099 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    eviltwin wrote: »
    maybe he will join the one issue party that is Renua

    i find that doubtful if i'm honest. i really think he will run as an independant if he does run again.
    as for renua, over all i wouldn't vote for them myself but they aren't a 1 issue party. i would agree with a lot of their policies in relation to crime but it's not enough for me to vote for them. my ideal party would be a varient of sf with an anti-abortion on demand stance and a willingness to actually tackle crime.
    Bredabe wrote: »
    As the ref was 2:1, how is he going to convince enough Yes voters to vote for him? especially as the churches power has been eroded so noticeably?

    What tactics do you think he can employ that will overcome the majorities dislike of killing pregnant people, lack of job security, health care, housing? Before we even look at how there are so few easily accessible alternatives to abortion?

    the church isn't relevant here. i am very much against the church and what it stands for yet i am against abortion on demand. in fact the church may be against abortion full stop so we don't even share an exact view on it.
    i'm not sure what you are on about in the first part of your second question given there has been no stance that engages in killing pregnant women and saying it is okay. at least not in the past 3 or more decades.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #8480
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    That doesn't make any sense. Anyway, we've veered off topic. Have a nice day.

    Makes complete sense to others, but you are right its boring now.
    Nos Da.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8481
    Dick Swiveller
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    Bredabe wrote: »
    Makes complete sense to others, but you are right its boring now.
    Nos Da.

    "Lots" means a large amount. There was no large amount. Ergo you are mistaken.


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    #8482
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,457 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    "Lots" means a large amount. There was no large amount. Ergo you are mistaken.


    You state that as fact. Can you back that up?


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    #8483
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You state that as fact. Can you back that up?

    For the Presidential election?


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    #8484
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,457 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    For the Presidential election?


    well that is what it refers to, so yes.


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    #8485
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 35,064 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    Are you referring to Lucinda Creighton?

    Better give that political crystal ball of yours a polish :rolleyes:

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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    #8486
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Better give that political crystal ball of yours a polish :rolleyes:

    So you are, ok. Do you think she wasn't re-elected because of her views on abortion or because Fine Gael would have one that seat regardless of who was standing for them?


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    #8487
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 35,064 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not just her, it was the failure of ANY of their candidates to get elected.

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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    #8488
    Dick Swiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭Dick Swiveller


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Not just her, it was the failure of ANY of their candidates to get elected.

    Well, yes, but that doesn't tell us anything really.


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    #8489
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,563 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    LOL yeah right. RENUA worked out great didn't it?

    But Renua were perceived to be a one-issue party: most of the anti-abortion Tds are parish pump merchants who have built up a strong local support base over the years. Pro-life is only a small part of their platform. The TDS in an equivalent position to Renua are Carol Nolan and Peter Fitzpatrick (and possibly Peadar Toibin now), and I agree that they are likely to lose their seats (if they stand at all).


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    #8490
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,457 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    "Lots" means a large amount. There was no large amount. Ergo you are mistaken.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You state that as fact. Can you back that up?
    Dick Swiveller wrote: »
    For the Presidential election?

    do you plan on substantiating your claim?


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    #8491
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,726 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm watching a video from Ciara Sherlock about the Govt bill on abortion, incl the voting result in the Dail and comments there by deputies. She's very definite that the Govt are Nazis, laughing and bragging about their bill, child-killing factories. The video has her talking about children at 9 months and by including that in her video, giving the message that abortions will be allowed up to that time. According to her video the TD's took back-handers, with satanic smiles. It's full of shock-jockey tactics describing limbs [arms & legs] being torn from the bodies. Drug Co's using the tissue and internal organs in pharmaceuticals.

    As the video was posted by another person on a facebook page unrelated to the issue and topic of abortion, I won't copy or repost it from that page as that would be an abuse of the page and further the aims of the O/P. The video ends on a religious credo rant.


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