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Abortion Discussion, Part Trois

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    #8672
    Bredabe
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    I wouldn't worry. The pro-lifers are finished as a political force in Ireland. Look how opposition to divorce and same-sex marriage evaporated completely as soon as those referendums passed.

    I would like to think so, but given the lies and underhanded tactics I've seen and experienced over the years, I'll be keeping a weather eye out for a resurgence of their kind of thinking.

    It strikes me that they would be at their strongest when people think they are gone away forever.

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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    #8673
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Of course, why would it be a bad idea?

    I'd say you have a limited understanding of human nature.


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    #8674
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    You think it's a good idea to distribute free condoms in schools and colleges?

    What's wrong with that? More contraception is a good thing right?


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    #8675
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    eviltwin wrote: »
    What's wrong with that? More contraception is a good thing right?

    That's a great idea. How come we never thought of it before?


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    #8676
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    It takes away even more personal responsibility from adolescent boys and it will put more pressure on adolescent girls to perform the most intimate act between two people in such a casual way.


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    #8677
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    I'd say you have a limited understanding of human nature.

    So you want more crisis pregnancies requiring more abortions?
    Facts before faith


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    #8678
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    It takes away even more personal responsibility from adolescent boys and it will put more pressure on adolescent girls to perform the most intimate act between two people in such a casual way.

    The above is a clear sign of the inadequacy of church controlled sex ed


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    #8679
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    uptherebels wrote: »
    The above is a clear sign of the inadequacy of church controlled sex ed

    I was wondering how long it would take for the ol Church bashing to start.


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    #8680
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    It takes away even more personal responsibility from adolescent boys and it will put more pressure on adolescent girls to perform the most intimate act between two people in such a casual way.

    You have a low opinion of young people


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    #8681
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    eviltwin wrote: »
    You have a low opinion of young people

    You don't understand what the young male thinks about.


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    #8682
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    I was wondering how long it would take for the ol Church bashing to start.

    Well when your common sense is overtaken by religious indoctrination what do you expect?


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    #8683
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    You don't understand what the young male thinks about.

    So not pe


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    #8684
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Well when your common sense is overtaken by religious indoctrination what do you expect?

    I'm not talking about religious indoctrination, I'm talking about human nature.


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    #8685
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    You don't understand what the young male thinks about.

    So not providing contraception is the key? Remind me how that worked out years ago?


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    #8686
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    uptherebels wrote: »
    So not providing contraception is the key? Remind me how that worked out years ago?

    So providing free condoms wherever young adults congregate is a great idea? Do you really believe that?


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    #8687
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    So providing free condoms wherever young adults congregate is a great idea? Do you really believe that?

    Safe sex is better than unsafe sex


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    #8688
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    So providing free condoms wherever young adults congregate is a great idea? Do you really believe that?

    What are the benefits of not providing contraception?


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    #8689
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Safe sex is better than unsafe sex

    Will free condoms not lead to more casual sex? Free condoms in pubs? What a good idea for safe sex.


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    #8690
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    The only reason the Govt. came up with this idea is that they hope the young people will vote for them


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    #8691
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    Will free condoms not lead to more casual sex? Free condoms in pubs? What a good idea for safe sex.

    Once it's consensual and safe what's the problem?


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    #8692
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Once it's consensual and safe what's the problem?

    ... and casual


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    #8693
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    ... and casual

    And why is that a problem?


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    #8694
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    ... and casual

    Are you forgetting how that laundries came about?


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    #8695
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Are you forgetting how that laundries came about?

    Can you not discuss this without dragging the church into it? This is 2019 after all.


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    #8696
    ouxbbkqtswdfaw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    I'm going for a pint now. I wish you a very happy new year.


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    #8697
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    Can you not discuss this without dragging the church into it? This is 2019 after all.

    When you ignore the past you make the same mistakes.
    It is 2019 so why do you base your arguement on the church's view and not that of common sense?


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    #8698
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    uptherebels wrote: »
    When you ignore the past you make the same mistakes.
    It is 2019 so why do you base your arguement on the church's view and not that of common sense?

    Do you imagine in some way that 2019 undergraduates in Irish 3rd level institutions are enjoying safe casual sex with no consequences of any kind?


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    #8699
    uptherebels
    Registered Users Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Do you imagine in some way that 2019 undergraduates in Irish 3rd level institutions are enjoying safe casual sex with no consequences of any kind?

    Who said no consequences to casual sex?


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    #8700
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,166 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    e1vwdgzy4l9uom wrote: »
    Megan and Harry were delighted to find she was pregnant... at 13 weeks.

    You mean they only worked it out after she missed three periods?


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    #8701
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Who said no consequences to casual sex?

    Your approach to the provision of free contraception is that it’s just common sense. You’ve made that point several times. And you’ve thrown the spectre of the Magdalene laundries as an example of what happens if casual sex isn’t viewed as perfectly natural.
    It’s as if there couldn’t possibly be a middle ground somewhere between families dumping their daughters in the Convent because they had a fumble round the back of the village hall and putting even more pressure on young adults to compromise their self esteem and self respect by making sure that they’re “intercourse ready” with baskets of condoms positioned carefully all over the place.
    I’ve a daughter at WIT and I don’t agree.
    I’m lucky that she and I can have honest discussions about this stuff and I can tell you that the combination of huge amounts of cheap booze and drugs and “no strings attached” sex is destroying the self esteem of both sexes.
    There has to be some way of encouraging them to be the best they can be in a way that allows them to not have so many regrets? Because there appears to be a lot of anguish.


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