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Abortion Discussion, Part Trois

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  • #2132
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    At the moment you stay in Ireland and deliver your baby or travel abroad to access an abortion.

    And you're cool with people being allowed to have abortions as long as they don't do it here?


  • #2133
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    We should take into account the quality of life that a child would have before bringing it into the world.

    Crystal Ball gazing? Is this the mystic meg section of Boards.ie or am I still in Atheism? ;)


  • #2134
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    At the moment you stay in Ireland and deliver your baby or travel abroad to access an abortion.

    And how far should the state go to protect unborn babies?


  • #2135
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,962 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    100cent wrote: »
    At the moment you stay in Ireland and deliver your baby or travel abroad to access an abortion.

    In other words, the status quo.


  • #2136
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    lazygal wrote: »
    No. Abortion services should be a matter for medics and pregnant women. I've no interest in why someone wants an abortion.

    So at 35 weeks you decide you don't want to be pregnant anymore. An economic decision. Lets say you've lost your job.

    You'd want to have access to a facility that would end the life of your baby at 35 weeks in the womb?


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  • #2137
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    In other words, the status quo.

    Abortion for those who can afford it, compulsory gestation for everyone else.


  • #2138
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    And you're cool with people being allowed to have abortions as long as they don't do it here?

    Thats the situation as things stand. Am I happy women travel for abortions? No. Am I happy Ireland has made a stand against abortion? Yes.


  • #2139
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    In other words, the status quo.

    Pretty much.


  • #2140
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    Crystal Ball gazing? Is this the mystic meg section of Boards.ie or am I still in Atheism? ;)

    Whoops, sorry, forgot that Fatal Foetal Abnormalities don't exist. Forgot that alcoholic mothers don't tend to have kids with foetal alcohol syndrome. Forgot that junkies don't tend to pass on their drug addictions to their unborn children.

    I'm being quite the silly today!


  • #2141
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    So at 35 weeks you decide you don't want to be pregnant anymore. An economic decision. Lets say you've lost your job.

    You'd want to have access to a facility that would end the life of your baby at 35 weeks in the womb?

    No, in cases of viability the baby could be delivered and treated appropriately. Why do you care why someone wants an abortion at any stage of pregnancy?


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  • #2142
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    Thats the situation as things stand. Am I happy women travel for abortions? No. Am I happy Ireland has made a stand against abortion? Yes.

    Ireland's stand is that its ok to kill unborn babies elsewhere, or here if your life is at risk. What kind of a stand against abortion is that?


  • #2143
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    lazygal wrote: »
    No, in cases of viability the baby could be delivered and treated appropriately. Why do you care why someone wants an abortion at any stage of pregnancy?

    Thats a massive qualification you've just made there, but a welcome one it has to be said.

    I care, its how it is.


  • #2144
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    Thats a massive qualification you've just made there, but a welcome one it has to be said.

    I care, its how it is.

    So maybe you could tell me how far the state should go to prevent me from having an abortion?


  • #2145
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    lazygal wrote: »
    Ireland's stand is that its ok to kill unborn babies elsewhere, or here if your life is at risk. What kind of a stand against abortion is that?

    An imperfect one, but I am human. I have many failings.


  • #2146
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    Thats the situation as things stand. Am I happy women travel for abortions? No. Am I happy Ireland has made a stand against abortion? Yes.

    Hmm, but I thought:
    100cent wrote: »
    I'm more than happy with the current legal situation that is in place.

    That same legal situation not only allows women to travel to have abortions elsewhere, it explicitly excuses them. But if you're happy with that then cool.


  • #2147
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    lazygal wrote: »
    So maybe you could tell me how far the state should go to prevent me from having an abortion?

    The law makes is a criminal offence to intentionally take unborn life in this country. Its in the Statute Books.


  • #2148
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    The law makes is a criminal offence to intentionally take unborn life in this country. Its in the Statute Books.

    So how should the state vindicate and protect the rights of the unborn?


  • #2149
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    100cent wrote: »
    The law makes is a criminal offence to intentionally take unborn life in this country. Its in the Statute Books.

    As you said yourself earlier what good does that do?


  • #2150
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    100cent wrote: »
    Why 'can't she have a child'?

    Health/finances/other....its fairly irrelevant.


  • #2151
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    The law makes is a criminal offence to intentionally take unborn life in this country. Its in the Statute Books.

    And is punishable with up to 14 years in prison, which you are or are not ok with?
    100cent wrote: »
    I'm more than happy with the current legal situation that is in place.


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  • #2152
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    Hmm, but I thought:



    That same legal situation not only allows women to travel to have abortions elsewhere, it explicitly excuses them. But if you're happy with that then cool.

    I'm happy that Ireland is making a stand against the Liberal group think that wishes to normalise a abortion regime.


  • #2153
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    lazygal wrote: »
    So how should the state vindicate and protect the rights of the unborn?

    By making intentional taking of unborn life a criminal offence.


  • #2154
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    I'm happy that Ireland is making a stand against the Liberal group think that wishes to normalise a abortion regime.

    Oh, we've come full circle. :)

    So this is no longer true?
    100cent wrote: »
    I'm more than happy with the current legal situation that is in place.


  • #2155
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    eviltwin wrote: »
    As you said yourself earlier what good does that do?

    Unborn babies are safe from abortion chambers in this country.


  • #2156
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    100cent wrote: »
    Unborn babies are safe from abortion chambers in this country.

    Is it less deplorable if it happens in the UK or something? I don't understand why it's only an issue when it's happening here.


  • #2157
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    Lurkio wrote: »
    Health/finances/other....its fairly irrelevant.

    Since when do 'finances' mean anyone can't get pregnant?

    You'll have to expand on that one.


  • #2158
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    Unborn babies are safe from abortion chambers in this country.

    But they aren't. Women regularly take abortion pills at home in Ireland.


  • #2159
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    Oh, we've come full circle. :)

    So this is no longer true?

    Its perfectly true. Maybe take a minute and think about it. :)


  • #2160
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Is it less deplorable if it happens in the UK or something? I don't understand why it's only an issue when it's happening here.

    What can I do about foreign countries' laws?


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  • #2161
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    Its perfectly true. Maybe take a minute and think about it. :)

    OK.... yup, thought about it. Still seems to mean that you're "more than happy" with the law allowing Irish women to go murder their babies somewhere else.


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