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Abortion Discussion, Part Trois

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  • #2162
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    100cent wrote: »
    What can I do about foreign countries' laws?

    Nothing but pro life campaigns could tackle the constitutional right to travel, could seek to criminalize abortions in the UK and the sanctions on women who do abort here to be strictly enforced.


  • #2163
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    OK.... yup, thought about it. Still seems to mean that you're "more than happy" with the law allowing Irish women to go murder their babies somewhere else.

    Murder is your word.

    Do you really view it as such?


  • #2164
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    100cent wrote: »
    Since when do 'finances' mean anyone can't get pregnant?

    You'll have to expand on that one.

    I think its fairly obvious what I'm getting at, and I didn't want to get into the specifics in my original question because that would enable this kind of evasion. Suffice to say that the woman believes she cannot - for whatever reason - become pregnant and deliver due to whatever consequences she might fear. In the scenario I described earlier (linked here),
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99731404&postcount=2118
    what are the different courses of action she might take.


  • #2165
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Nothing but pro life campaigns could tackle the constitutional right to travel, could seek to criminalize abortions in the UK and the sanctions on women who do abort here to be strictly enforced.

    How would we go about that then. Are you a Constitutional Lawyer?


  • #2166
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    Murder is your word.

    Do you really view it as such?

    Is that your only objection with the content of my post?


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  • #2167
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    Lurkio wrote: »
    I think its fairly obvious what I'm getting at, and I didn't want to get into the specifics in my original question because that would enable this kind of evasion. Suffice to say that the woman believes she cannot - for whatever reason - become pregnant and deliver due to whatever consequences she might fear. In the scenario I described earlier (linked here),

    what are the different courses of action she might take.

    Don't get pregnant and if she does, do everything in her power to ensure herself and her baby get through the nine months free from harm and deliver her beautiful baby girl or boy.


  • #2168
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    100cent wrote: »
    How would we go about that then. Are you a Constitutional Lawyer?

    No but I'm sure a campaign group would have access to one. It's just a funny little anomaly, woman cannot have abortion here or she risks jail but the constitution guarantees her right to have one overseas.


  • #2169
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    Is that your only objection with the content of my post?

    I have no objection. I just find it strange you view an abortion as murder, given your previously stated beliefs.


  • #2170
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No but I'm sure a campaign group would have access to one. It's just a funny little anomaly, woman cannot have abortion here or she risks jail but the constitution guarantees her right to have one overseas.

    She doesn't risk jail in my world view.


  • #2171
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    I have no objection. I just find it strange you view an abortion as murder, given your previously stated beliefs.

    Well given my previously stated belief I would assume you would see that as simply colourful language, but I suppose that to ASSUME makes an ASS of U and ME. ;)

    But good to know that you've no objection to Irish law allowing women to travel to have an abortion.


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  • #2172
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    Don't get pregnant and if she does, do everything in her power to ensure herself and her baby get through the nine months free from harm and deliver her beautiful baby girl or boy.

    What if she doesn't want to do that? How should the state ensure she doesn't kill the unborn child?


  • #2173
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    She doesn't risk jail in my world view.

    But she does in Irish law. Up to 14 years imprisonment.
    100cent wrote: »
    I'm more than happy with the current legal situation that is in place.


  • #2174
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    She doesn't risk jail in my world view.

    So what sanctions should women who have abortions face?


  • #2175
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    100cent wrote: »
    Don't get pregnant and if she does, do everything in her power to ensure herself and her baby get through the nine months free from harm and deliver her beautiful baby girl or boy.

    The woman is using contraception, so the "don't get pregnant" thing is a bit odd. She is trying not to become pregnant. Your alternatives are "don't get pregnant" and "deliver the child"?


  • #2176
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Lurkio wrote: »
    The woman is using contraception, so the "don't get pregnant" thing is a bit odd. She is trying not to become pregnant. Your alternatives are "don't get pregnant" and "deliver the child"?

    But only the beautiful ones!!


  • #2177
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    lazygal wrote: »
    But only the beautiful ones!!

    Ahhh, so that's what the forced vaginal ultrasounds in America are for, to assess the beauty of the baby! Totally makes sense now!


  • #2178
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    lazygal wrote: »
    What if she doesn't want to do that? How should the state ensure she doesn't kill the unborn child?

    Make it a crime to offer or obtain such a procedure in this country.


  • #2179
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    100cent wrote: »
    Make it a crime to offer or obtain such a procedure in this country.

    It already is a crime. How can criminal sanctions protect the unborn?


  • #2180
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    But she does in Irish law. Up to 14 years imprisonment.

    That prison sentence is available to the the abortionist also, something I'd lose no sleep about.


  • #2181
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    Lurkio wrote: »
    The woman is using contraception, so the "don't get pregnant" thing is a bit odd. She is trying not to become pregnant. Your alternatives are "don't get pregnant" and "deliver the child"?

    Yes.


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  • #2182
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    That prison sentence is available to the the abortionist also, something I'd lose no sleep about.

    But it is also available to the woman who had the abortion. No problems with that?


  • #2183
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    lazygal wrote: »
    It already is a crime. How can criminal sanctions protect the unborn?

    You seem to want me to say something in particular. Maybe you could enlighten me on it.

    The fact that its a crime is the reason the abortion agenda is advocating tirelessly to liberalise abortion and normalise it in them minds of the citizens.


  • #2184
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    But it is also available to the woman who had the abortion. No problems with that?

    In reality no. Because no woman has spent a night inside for said crime in my living memory.


  • #2185
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    In reality no. Because no woman has spent a night inside for said crime in my living memory.

    What has that got to do with anything? A woman could tomorrow be sent to prison for 14 years for obtaining an abortion illegally in Ireland. Should they enforce that part of the law or remove it?


  • #2186
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    100cent wrote: »
    Yes.

    As she is using contraception, she has already taken precautions against getting pregnant, and no method is 100%, so what do you suggest?


  • #2187
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything? A woman could tomorrow be sent to prison for 14 years for obtaining an abortion illegally in Ireland. Should they enforce that part of the law or remove it?

    I'd happily enforce it for the abortionist. If it was remover Marie Stopes would be opening their abortion chambers in downtown Ireland.


  • #2188
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    Lurkio wrote: »
    As she is using contraception, she has already taken precautions against getting pregnant, and no method is 100%, so what do you suggest?

    Take up a hobby?


  • #2189
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    100cent wrote: »
    I'd happily enforce it for the abortionist. If it was remover Marie Stopes would be opening their abortion chambers in downtown Ireland.

    Nothing to do with the question I asked.


  • #2190
    100cent
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭100cent


    robdonn wrote: »
    Nothing to do with the question I asked.

    Prevention is everything.


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  • #2191
    Lurkio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Lurkio


    100cent wrote: »
    Take up a hobby?

    Would you care to explain? Are you suggesting she not have sex?


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