UFC London - February 27th 2016

Axwell

Den_M wrote: »

Everyone seems to be completely biased against Silva, he clearly won that fight. Yes he clowned too much as usual but did way more damage and not just with the knee and front kick. The last 3 rounds were his.

He didn't clearly win the fight, it could have went to either of them. Way more damage - are you basing that on the swelling on Bispings face or the amount of times they hit each other?

ASOT

When Silva spoke in Portuguese to Hardy he said that the whole judging system is currupt and that he was robbed, his manager never translated it and left it out. Why are brazillians so sour, it's his own fault he didn't win the fight.

hefferboi

Silva hit way fewer strikes but they dealt a lot more damage.

Bisbing was busy throughout the fight, controlled the centre for large parts and wobbled Silva twice in the first 2.

Fight could have went either way. If it was scored on damage done then Silva won hands down but its not, and the way the scoring system is in the UFC, Bisbing won fairly.

Anyone who says either fighter won clearly or hands down, hasn't a clue what they're talking about, imo.

empacher

Den_M wrote: »

Very petty attitude there about someone widely regarded, by Bisping too, as the best ever

he was my favourite fighter for years, but his legacey went to his head and all he's done is be made a fool of himself three times recentley one costing him the title.

Gamebred

Bisping is really going to milk this one isnt he.

Tigger

Gamebred wrote: »

Bisping is really going to milk this one isnt he.

i know i'm in the minority but i like your posts
just what i was thinking watching the presser
i like him fighting but not talking

Tigger

RoryMac wrote: »

Agree with the comments on Silva, his cockiness is crazy and cost him another fight. I doubt Bisping could see out of his right eye in the last 2 rounds certainly not in the 4th wher he was wiping blood the whole round but Silva made no attempt to take advantage.

Silva stilled looked fresh at the end of the fight so I don't think it was down to fear of.burning out, seems to be pure ego that drives it.

I think Bisping deserves a title shot to top.off his career but putting him in with Rockhold wouldn't be much of a show of gratitude

his left was fcuked as well

Gamebred

Bisping was murdered by Rockhold already I fear for his health if he gets a title shot(weidman rockhold is booked anyways)



Any chance we get moussasi on the holland card im planning on going hope he is.

meepins

ASOT wrote: »

When Silva spoke in Portuguese to Hardy he said that the whole judging system is currupt and that he was robbed, his manager never translated it and left it out. Why are brazillians so sour, it's his own fault he didn't win the fight.

He's not wrong, the judging was appalling and weighted far too heavily in favour of english fighters.

Den_M

Now that I've calmed down a bit, yeah neither of them clearly won the fight, it was close. But thought Silva did enough after a slow start to get the nod.

I guess it's the unified rules scoring system that I have a problem with, surely more importance needs to be given to damage inflicted and the overall progression of the fight like in Pride? Just looking at both fighters at the end tells a story. Silva hardly had a mark on him, Bisping was bollixed and was in big trouble in last few rounds. Imo that should swing it when it's close. I know Silva got dropped early but he never looked in danger. Bisping was on queer street a few times.

That said, I thought Condit deserved the win over Nick Diaz that time, when opponents of the unified scoring system were raging. Ah I dunno. Crazy fight for sure and great entertainment

Axwell

How stupid was the question from the guy at the press conference about EA UFC 2?

"I think every fighter should have a finishing move, what would your finishing move be"?

CatFromHue

I thought the Bisping "No Offence" would be a good move!

Devastator

ASOT wrote: »

When Silva spoke in Portuguese to Hardy he said that the whole judging system is currupt and that he was robbed, his manager never translated it and left it out. Why are brazillians so sour, it's his own fault he didn't win the fight.

Seriously? I didnt watch the fight as I was watching the boxing but was flickign through twitter on my phone between rounds and nobody picked up on that! You're right about them being sour, I'd add deluded as they seem completely ignorant of their own actions while slinging accusations at others.

Its hardly anything new & surprizing anyway is it? Any time I'm betting and think there is a close fight which could goto a decision I'll go with the "home" fighter. Its not nesseccerilly because I think the judges or judging it incorrectly but think the crowd sways a judges opinion. Watch back over any Brazilian(yup they're in the firing line because Silva's whingeing) event and the crowd goes mad when 'their' fighter has a little flurry, he might not land anything but the reaction from the crowd would make it sound like a knock out.

Fromvert

It was a very close fight with round 4 being the deciding round (I thought no round was a 10-8). I gave it to Bisping but I also couldn't tell someone they're wrong if they gave Silva that round.

newbbieb

Fromvert wrote: »

It was a very close fight with round 4 being the deciding round (I thought no round was a 10-8). I gave it to Bisping but I also couldn't tell someone they're wrong if they gave Silva that round.

For damage and finishing the fight strongest you would give it to Silva,but he basically surrendered the fight in Round 4,by spending the first 3 and half minutes against the fence doing nothing,theres no way you can give him that round imo.Had he pushed the pace he definitely seemed like he had a finish in him.

Fromvert

newbbieb wrote: »

For damage and finishing the fight strongest you would give it to Silva,but he basically surrendered the fight in Round 4,by spending the first 3 and half minutes against the fence doing nothing,theres no way you can give him that round imo.Had he pushed the pace he definitely seemed like he had a finish in him.

I agree, I don't know what he was doing against the fence (Bisping seemed a little confused too). And this was just after he hit the knee, he should of came out aggressive in the fourth with Bisping hurt.

That was Silva's biggest error in the fight and Bisping wasn't smart either when the mouth guard fell out, fight until the ref stops it. Not once but twice! he took his eyes off Silva and he paid the second time.

Gamebred

Anderson doing that standing against the cage is funny the first time,then you realise hes actually losing the fight,possibly the best fight IQ ever and he does that showboating/bating crap,


He had Bisping hurt bad once or twice and hardly strolls after him hes a crazy dude its like he wants the drama instead of a clean KO.

Deadst4r

Gamebred wrote: »

Anderson doing that standing against the cage is funny the first time,then you realise hes actually losing the fight,possibly the best fight IQ ever and he does that showboating/bating crap,


He had Bisping hurt bad once or twice and hardly strolls after him hes a crazy dude its like he wants the drama instead of a clean KO.

Aye, after the front kick, he didn't jump on him.

Just stood there, it's like he believes he can finish it when he wants.

newbbieb

In fairness to Anderson i thought he looked like a different fight than the one who fought Diaz,there was glimpses of the old Silva tonight.

Great win for Bisping tonight but you hope he hangs them up soon,no way he can win the title,he is so far off that level.

Gamebred

Bisping wont be hanging them up anytime soon hes fighting better than ever,division is so good thats the problem though Luke schooled him not long ago,


Where does Anderson go from here now? hes not getting near the belt at that age so maybe 2 or 3 big fights and pack it in tim kennedy wants to fight him.

Subcomandante Marcos

Gamebred wrote: »

Bisping wont be hanging them up anytime soon hes fighting better than ever,division is so good thats the problem though Luke schooled him not long ago,


Where does Anderson go from here now? hes not getting near the belt at that age so maybe 2 or 3 big fights and pack it in tim kennedy wants to fight him.

Kennedy, Vitor in Brazil and there's really not much else.

Gamebred

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Kennedy, Vitor in Brazil and there's really not much else.

How about McGregor ufc 200 :pac:

Utopia Parkway

Not a big Bisping fan but he's been around so long it's hard to begrudge him a title fight. Something he's never had. He'll get destroyed though.

Devastator

Mousasi isn't a fan of Machida :pac:

TimRiggins

I think its pretty obvious Anderson's chin has deteriorated, and the only logical explanation of his clowning around is that he did not want to stand in the pocket and trade with Bisping in fear of getting knocked out. I'm also surprised Bisping didn't try and hit more takedown's to score more points, similar in how Cruz did v Dillashaw in Boston. Anderson seems to have gotten old very quickly.

RonanP77

It was a close fight but I don't agree with people saying it could've gone either way. There were no 10-8 rounds and Bisping clearly won rounds 1, 2 & 4.

Mellor

RonanP77 wrote: »

It was a close fight but I don't agree with people saying it could've gone either way. There were no 10-8 rounds and Bisping clearly won rounds 1, 2 & 4.

Agree completely. Bisping won 3 clear rounds, Silva seamed disinterested and let those slip away. He created a situation where he needed a finished, but then didn't go for it towards the end, or after he rocked Bisping.

Mellor

ShaneU wrote: »

The judging system is terrible, does damage dealt count for nothing? Reminds me of the GSP vs Hendricks decision, joke.

Damage done does count. Silva did more damage in rounds 3 and 5. So he won those rounds, he lost the other 3.

Den_M wrote: »

The last 3 rounds were his. If it was anyone else fighting Bisping you would be raging about the decision.

I was always a big Silva fan, but Was happy to see Busping win too. Didn't care who won. But I found it v.hard to make a case for Silva in the 4th round when he did so little.

The 4th was the only close round imo.

darced

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TimRiggins

Wouldn't be shocked to see Anderson v Chael 3 soon.

ASOT

TimRiggins wrote: »

Wouldn't be shocked to see Anderson v Chael 3 soon.

Doubt chael will come back, always says on his podcast he has no interest anymore. But money talks and the former middleweight and light heavywieght champion would still be a massive draw.

TimRiggins

ASOT wrote: »

Doubt chael will come back, always says on his podcast he has no interest anymore. But money talks and the former middleweight and light heavywieght champion would still be a massive draw.

His manager and FWIW FrontRowBrian both think he'll come back. I hear him say it alot on his podcast too but he's only 38 and hasn't taken an outrages amount of damage for a 38 year old.

Mellor

The more I look at Silva's approach to rounds 4 and 5, the more I question the image he had.
In fights such as Stefan Bonnar, Forrest Griffin and all the times he pulled crazy knock outs after playacting all fight. He was always given a pass in regards to fiht IQ as it appeared like he was literally able to finish at will. But last nights championship rounds really make me question everything we've seen.
what if he's actually a bit simple, and the amazing KO's covered up that fact for years.
How was his corner not telling him that he might need a KO to win going in the 5th? I don't think anyone in his corner could been confidant that Silva had 3 rounds in the bag towards the end of the fight. Sure it was possible that he had the 4th, but that was a very narrow margin either way.

Paully D

I was there last night. A very poor card overall but an enjoyable night and the excellent main event made up for the rest of it.

I gave Bisping the nod 48-47 on the night and after watching it back a couple of times today still have the same opinion. In honesty, I really struggle to see how anyone could give that fight to Silva. It's a very clear 48-47 to Bisping IMO.

I was delighted that Bisping won and had been saying he had a very good chance ever since the fight was made. It's fitting that someone who has fought clean throughout his career and always fallen at the final hurdle (and picked up a serious injury) to opponents who have gone on to test positive finally made the leap. That said it was an honour to see Silva fight live and certainly something ticked off the bucket list. The respect Bisping showed him after the fight was touching. A great scene.

Gamebred

https://twitter.com/bisping/status/704160701573636096


https://twitter.com/bisping/status/704158638051627008


Diaz winding him up posts a few pictures on social media dont think he even tagged Mike and he takes the bait hook line and sinker,


Expect a few ''hey I beat anderson silva you couldnt'' replies from him for the next 40 years.

Deadst4r

Gamebred wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bisping/status/704160701573636096


https://twitter.com/bisping/status/704158638051627008


Diaz winding him up posts a few pictures on social media dont think he even tagged Mike and he takes the bait hook line and sinker,


Expect a few ''hey I beat anderson silva you couldnt'' replies from him for the next 40 years.

Tbf, he's probably just playing the game too.

I don't think he's that worried about a title shot right this second. Especially as Weidman Rockhold is already scheduled. Maybe he fights Diaz and gets this shot after.

Doubt it though, Jacare and Romero both waiting.

scudzilla

Mellor wrote: »

The more I look at Silva's approach to rounds 4 and 5, the more I question the image he had.
In fights such as Stefan Bonnar, Forrest Griffin and all the times he pulled crazy knock outs after playacting all fight. He was always given a pass in regards to fiht IQ as it appeared like he was literally able to finish at will. But last nights championship rounds really make me question everything we've seen.
what if he's actually a bit simple, and the amazing KO's covered up that fact for years.
How was his corner not telling him that he might need a KO to win going in the 5th? I don't think anyone in his corner could been confidant that Silva had 3 rounds in the bag towards the end of the fight. Sure it was possible that he had the 4th, but that was a very narrow margin either way.

hahaha, not laughed out loud like that in this forum for some time

Deadst4r

scudzilla wrote: »

hahaha, not laughed out loud like that in this forum for some time

Tbf, some of his behaviour is absolutely baffling.

Wasn't it against Maia where he just shut down and would not finish him, barely engaged at all and the whole crowd started booing for like 3 rounds?

He is a strange dude and pretty arrogant, it seems.

ASOT

Deadst4r wrote: »

Tbf, some of his behaviour is absolutely baffling.

Wasn't it against Maia where he just shut down and would not finish him, barely engaged at all and the whole crowd started booing for like 3 rounds?

He is a strange dude and pretty arrogant, it seems.

Yep 112 in Abu Dhabi, absolutely shocking fight. Was a decent card up until that, Gus got choked out by Davis and Frankie out a beat down on BJ for the belt.

Deadst4r

https://twitter.com/bisping/status/704159339116941313

Mellor

Deadst4r wrote: »

Maybe he fights Diaz and gets this shot after.

Doubt it though, Jacare and Romero both waiting.

The only thing Romero is waiting for is for his USADA hearing. He's nowhere near hte picture right now. Jacare lost,

scudzilla wrote: »

hahaha, not laughed out loud like that in this forum for some time

Everything suddenly makes sense, he's like the opposite end of the autistic spectrum to Palhares

Paully D

I'm sure many of us wondered why Silva seemed hesitant at times on Saturday night. This explains it, from his coach:

http://www.mmamania.com/2016/3/1/11140512/ufc-coach-anderson-silva-slowed-down-against-michael-bisping-afraid-he-re-injured-leg-mma

"He felt a kick he landed in the first round, thought he cracked his leg and a screw moved. That limited his movements, made him stop attacking for a moment. I asked him to attack, but he said ‘professor, I'm feeling it, I have no confidence'. I said ‘use your heart, you're Anderson Silva, go after him'. That slowed him down a bit."

Perfectly understandable really. It must be so tough to recover mentally from that.

Gamebred

Not having that excuse for a minute

callaway92

Was at this event too. Few fights were absolute stinkers but some were excellent.

That Tom Breese fight was absolutely pathetic and it being the first time I saw Breese I was severely underwhelmed.

The Mousasi v Leites fight was bad matchmaking really. Leites (improved striking or not) cannot compete with an A-Level striker in a boxing match.

The Scott Ashkam KO of Chris Dempsey was the sickest KO I've seen in person.

I couldn't score the Bisping Silva fight there but after watching it back a couple of times now I'm actually leaning towards Silva 48-47, winning rounds 3,4 & 5. Effectiveness over quantity imo and I feel he did more damage in the 4th which was the most disputed round. It was an incredible fight to witness in person and I jumped up higher for the flying knee knockdown higher than I ever did for any Ireland goal haha!

Dtp1979

Paully D wrote: »

I'm sure many of us wondered why Silva seemed hesitant at times on Saturday night. This explains it, from his coach:

http://www.mmamania.com/2016/3/1/11140512/ufc-coach-anderson-silva-slowed-down-against-michael-bisping-afraid-he-re-injured-leg-mma



Perfectly understandable really. It must be so tough to recover mentally from that.

Thought part of that was straight out of the wizard of oz for a second

mdwexford

My arse, Silva has done similar on plenty of occasions in the past.

If his head isn't in it he should give it up. Personally I don't know how he could throw leg kicks again after what happened.

Mellor

He if the leg was a concern.He has two arms, two elbows and the other leg to look for the KO with.

SureYWouldntYa

Gamebred wrote: »

Not having that excuse for a minute

I suppose it's partially true, he does a have a screw loose

Just not in his leg

shrapnel222

Mellor wrote: »

He if the leg was a concern.He has two arms, two elbows and the other leg to look for the KO with.

and the front kick was working fine