#PeoplesDebate #VinB #ShoutyTime

catbear

Bowlardo wrote: »

None of our politicians will be getting any of the juicyroles no matter who is In government next so the hope is that we have someonethat won't embarrass us nationally like Hogan and McGuinness did/do regularly

Unfortunately the elected are so at the behest of the electorate so a politician with en embarrassing agenda is a direct reflection of their voters.

road_high

But Ann Phelan got toasted. It is like she was the lightning rod for each and everyone unpalatable decision the government (pretty much had to) to take.
I just didn't like that one iota and thought it was grossly unfair on her. The booing cheering abs abide from that planted audience was vile to behold, like a pack of animals just baying for her blood.
On the other hand the other govt tds got off lightly, as did the two stooges from FF who were active in the 07 ad ministration who were far more culpable to my mind.
She's a very decent lady, I've met her once in person and a lady she is. I didn't vote for her no 1 but she's definitely on my radar next time.

Kathleen Funchion (?) is a scripted mannequin. Stray off the pre-prepared SF spin, she's absolutely clueless. Very easy for her in that environment of like minded animals clapping her on like trained seals.

road_high

I despise those kind of comments like "you didn't suffer the recession..".
She was dead right , how did they know? On a personal level Ann had a stroke a few years back which she recovered great from. So it's not been a bed of roses for her...
It displays a total lack of respect towards an elected rep, to my mind at least. If a person has issues with policy fine, then outline clearly what you would do differently. But personalising it like that is non sensical.

Uncle Ben

Bowlardo wrote: »

Labour Ann Phelan is embarrassing. End of her career right there. Should never gets in again

She was bad enough however I thought
her director of elections was something else. Labour never told lies he says. I just hope he holds that position for the GE. He should do well for Ann.

road_high

Uncle Ben wrote: »

She was bad enough however I thought
her director of elections was something else. Labour never told lies he says. I just hope he holds that position for the GE. He should do well for Ann.

This "BROKEN PROMISES" yarn that the (so-called) opposition keep trotting out is really getting tiresome. I for one anyhow knew the country was fcuked post-FF end of 2010 and I was under no illusions how tough things were going to be to close a €23 billion deficit. I voted in someone I thought that could best turn us around, given the circumstances they've done great.
To be honest I was actually surprised how quickly thing have steadied from this post FF doomsday scenario, with core welfare and services largely maintained for core Labour voters. That huge gap had to be closed somehow, and somebody had to make some tough decisions for the sake of the country as well as try kick-start growth to encourage job growth and this reduce pressure on welfare spending.

Uncle Ben

road_high wrote: »

This "BROKEN PROMISES" yarn that the (so-called) opposition keep trotting out is really getting tiresome. I for one anyhow knew the country was fcuked post-FF end of 2010 and I was under no illusions how tough things were going to be to close a €23 billion deficit. I voted in someone I thought that could best turn us around, given the circumstances they've done great.
To be honest I was actually surprised how quickly thing have steadied from this post FF doomsday scenario, with core welfare and services largely maintained for core Labour voters. That huge gap had to be closed somehow, and somebody had to make some tough decisions for the sake of the country as well as try kick-start growth to encourage job growth and this reduce pressure on welfare spending.

See your argument would be fine and dandy except for one thing. In late 2010, Brian Lenihan invited all the opposition parties into the DOF to examine the books.

The problem for Labour is that after examining those very same books which categorised the nation as being fcuked, the LP in early 2011 came out with all those Tesco Promises or should I say lies.
Redline issues such as child benefit,.students fees and other such items were strung on poles from Malin to Mizen and from Galway to Dublin.

Are the LP now going to try and compound those lies even further by attempting to say they didn't make them?

catbear

Maybe Ann Phelan got hassle because the pack see her as having to the most to gain.

FG and FF have the local gombeen vote tied up between them so the electorate rabble put the likes of Ann Phelan as the only potential alternative through the cruelest trials.

While Kathleen Funchion grows her grassroots she is vulnerable to that support being sucked away by last minute auction politics. The easy ride she got on VB suggests she's being patronised as an also ran.

Politics is like a sausage, while most people want one they don't want to see it being made.

Faugheen

I really wish this constituency wasn't so conservative, otherwise arguably the best politician in Carlow-Kilkenny might have a chance of getting elected.

Malcolm Noonan is who I'm referring. He's smack bang on the middle. He has the social aspects of the left along with the economics of the right.

Him and David Fitzgerald were the ones who came out of the debate the strongest. McKee as well.

I felt sorry for Ann Phelan. These debates have been the platform for attacks on Labour. She has suffered. To hear people laughing at her when she said her daughter had to emigrate and that the cuts affected her family as if it didn't matter was horrific. Imagine those people having to tell their families what they did?

Adrienne Wallace was gas.

Bowlardo

glad i got this thread going a bit...still feeling bad on my over zealous comment on anne phelan when watching vinny browne .
she does seems like a genuine sort......the major parties are so well versed in the art of dodging but i do stress that none of our future elected will make a difference so in with that in mind i hope we have a few that make some genuine concise comments that get a little notice.

I think fg were terrible how they went about thing (water charges etc) but anyone turning up to my door saying that they are going away will be met with a fake laugh in their face.
FG/labour have turned it around ..they neglected the weakest in society but i think if they will get in they will now have a chance to apply the deserved funding.....although you would worry that they might now.
FF can **** off...their younger politicians might come good in 10 years but they really have to get rid of the old guard

we all know it is going to be FF and FG with two other parties i just hope the third part is from the left and can demand enough sway to make things better
If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.”

I hope our next government has about 20% of that 20 year old in them


Don't we all?

catbear

Interesting times ahead Bowlardo.

I always thought the last election was about substituting FG for the disgraced FF, they're that interchangeable.

The landscape is blighted with too many reminders of the property bubble for FF to ever get back their preeminent position and many conservative voters will have defected to FG for good. The FF dynasties will hold their ground but without new blood they'll be increasingly male, stale and beyond the pale.

There is ground to be clawed back from both though and as unlikely as it seems now Labour may actually do better than most think, it's partly the reason they and not FG are getting a hosing from the public. The public are demanding an alternative to the two traditionalist right of centre parties but they don't want to give the far left and left over power.

There is a desire to new alternatives, Renua are a dud and as most parties have a environment portfolio the Greens as a political force are spent. The greens honest politics was always fantasist when the number one mandate from the Irish public was the self serving "what are going to do for me?".

In the end though I think FG will be the main party and although tired of Enda the people know that the heir apparent, Leo will be next up.
Health has traditionally been a political graveyard. Health is the one everyone feels strongest about and Leo seems to be effectively absorbing the usual hysteria attached with sincere aplomb.

Right now my bet is a FG/FF coalition.

Bowlardo

Taken from facebook page ‎Protest against water charges in the republic of Ireland
* please note it came up on my news feed via a friend.I actually think water charges are a valid charge but Irish water is disaster as it exist now is a sham

WHAT DID PEOPLE OF CARLOW/KILKENNY GET FOR VOTING LABOUR TD ANN PHELAN ?.
They got the most savage budget cuts in the history of the state.
WHAT DID ANN PHELAN GET WHEN THE PEOPLE OF CARLOW/KILKENNY VOTER FOR HER ?.
She got SIX HUNDRED and SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND EURO (€665,232).
So there ya go, a fair deal i suppose..

no idea where they got that figure from but it is precise it must be nearly correct.
I assume it would include travel expense and grants for her office.
Would like to know the break down for all the other TD as a comparison.
Does anyone have the breakdown for the rest of our politicians.

catbear

Did the people posting these figures provide sources?

Otherwise it's the usual hyperbole.

Bowlardo

catbear wrote: »

Did the people posting these figures provide sources?

Otherwise it's the usual hyperbole.

of course they didn't :pac:

Uncle Ben

catbear wrote: »

Did the people posting these figures provide sources?

Otherwise it's the usual hyperbole.

I suppose they don't feel they have to quote sources. They left it open for her to say 'I didn't get €650k I only got €450k ', or whatever, either way her overinflated wages and expenses get highlighted.

road_high

Bowlardo wrote: »

Taken from facebook page ‎Protest against water charges in the republic of Ireland
* please note it came up on my news feed via a friend.I actually think water charges are a valid charge but Irish water is disaster as it exist now is a sham

WHAT DID PEOPLE OF CARLOW/KILKENNY GET FOR VOTING LABOUR TD ANN PHELAN ?.
They got the most savage budget cuts in the history of the state.
WHAT DID ANN PHELAN GET WHEN THE PEOPLE OF CARLOW/KILKENNY VOTER FOR HER ?.
She got SIX HUNDRED and SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND EURO (€665,232).
So there ya go, a fair deal i suppose..

no idea where they got that figure from but it is precise it must be nearly correct.
I assume it would include travel expense and grants for her office.
Would like to know the break down for all the other TD as a comparison.
Does anyone have the breakdown for the rest of our politicians.

More populist crap from a bunch of wasters with nothing better to be doing.
One could spout the same rubbish for each and every TD in the Dail including their poor mouth brigade such as SF, Michael Fitzmaurice etc that would bankrupt us in 6 months.
They're getting desperate as the "austerity" message they peddle is fading off the radar as the normal body of society want to move on, work and grow their earnings securely. This government looking more and more like to re-elected by as the weeks pass by and minds/pockets focused on the actual reality.

road_high

It's a shame we can't access a public record of what each and everyone on benifits "earns" off our taxes. Now that would be interesting indeed.

Uncle Ben

road_high wrote: »

It's a shame we can't access a public record of what each and everyone on benifits "earns" off our taxes. Now that would be interesting indeed.

All of the SW rates are available online for all to see.