Does anyone here believe that elves and fairies are real?

euser1984

Thanks.

Loughc

Not. They are absolutely not real.

Chaos Marine

Just like any superstition or gods or devils, fairies are all make belief. Usually by people who are trying to explain strange happenings and having absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

breffni bogballer

Fairies are real,isnt the george full of them every nite?

Chaos Marine

I think you mean spirits.

breffni bogballer

Fairies full of spirits!!

Milly33

mmmmm love to say I would truly believe in them but I do and I don't.. I certainly though go messing around with fairy rings and forts

DeadHand

Milly33 wrote: »

mmmmm love to say I would truly believe in them but I do and I don't.. I certainly though go messing around with fairy rings and forts

That's interesting thinking you reveal there actually, similar to my own and rather more common than one might imagine.

I certainly don't believe in fairies but I would never mess with a fairy fort either. I have much the same attitude towards genuine temples of any kind or any sacred place: though I do not personally have any time for organised religion of any flavour, I would not desecrate these sites. I do not believe the spirits of the dead can curse us, yet I would not arse around in a graveyard.

At its most extreme, it infuriates me to see Muslim fundamentalists destroy the sacred places of other faiths or cultures (the Taliban in Afghanistan, ISIS in Syria). At its most petty, I firmly belief the Edge was an ignorant tosser for wearing that stupid hat to Seamus Heaney's funeral.

It may seem paradoxical but even in the unbelievers among us there is something about hallowed ground that inspires respect in all but the most obnoxious. Whether this is a type of empathy for those who do believe, some lingering superstition still in us, something instinctive, simple common decency or some combination I do not know.

Milly33

Well said it is about showing respect which unfortunately a lot of people do not have anymore. I would believe the likes of fairy rings and places like this were once used but someone for maybe healing, religious whatever purpose but that they were used by people who believed in them and they should be respected that way..

maccored

i think theres two things here - theres the fairies etc of lore and then the idea of ancient gods, from which humans turned into the fairies etc of lore. One is a nice tourist device, but I do have interest in the other one. Snakes for example, are interesting. They turn up time and time again in ancient cults and religions and are meant to have some relation to gods and power (in the distant past that is). theres a whole avenue there and really turns into more of an historical/legend/myth idea rather than a provable, undisputable fact.

euser1984

Lots of fairies etc. are depicted in old pictures inscribed from the past etc. but in particular magic mushrooms which all the celts took.

I heard a story about two guys that were tripping from magic mushrooms and they both saw the exact same thing - an elf walking into the room through the door and walking through the wall....both of them saw it....

maccored

euser1984 wrote: »

Lots of fairies etc. are depicted in old pictures inscribed from the past etc. but in particular magic mushrooms which all the celts took.

I heard a story about two guys that were tripping from magic mushrooms and they both saw the exact same thing - an elf walking into the room through the door and walking through the wall....both of them saw it....

I know a fella who was tripping on magic mushrooms and he swears that some of the people around him changed into elfs. then again, he was on magic mushrooms ...

euser1984

Don't turn this in a daft idea. The point is that all over the world and before telecommunications were developed you find the same ideas....with the same types of recorded pictures etc.

If you look into where we are with physics and the moment, and, in particular quantum physics, it's looking at alternative dimensions as actually being a reality....

Considering that ghosts seem to take many forms is it a possibility these entities exist in an alternative dimension? Sure it is. So what else can exist there? The significance, again, is that two different people saw the exact same thing! Otherwise the story is just daft to bring into this thread.

euser1984

And to add to that actually given we only have 5 senses would you be inclined to lean on the side that there's loads of stuff going on in the room/place your in at the moment, that you can't sense?

maccored

i wasnt trying to be daft. a friend of mine really does believe he saw elves in the pub he was in.

dandyelevan

Never saw any, (Fairys / Faeries?) but there's something chilling about their Forts, Rings which dot the Irish landscape, so I wouldn't discount their past existence altogether.

Mind you, I could tell some 'quare' stories,( but then some folks would come on to say they were only out-dated bullkit) so I'll pass.

Allyall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFzV1olS3Xg

Skip forward to 1:10 to see anything

daveyeh

I once met a man in a pub who said he saw them all the time near his home in the country.

Then again, he took magic mushrooms every year the grew on his land, and he was on day release from a mental institution. (Not joking).


They don't exist.

Milly33

Does look quite impressive Allyall but I would not doubt it may also be a moth. I remember seeing those pretty small moths I used to call them angel moths they looks so delicate and pretty these ones third down

http://www.mothscount.org/text/15/what_are_moths_.html

Sephiroth_dude

dandyelevan wrote: »

Never saw any, (Fairys / Faeries?) but there's something chilling about their Forts, Rings which dot the Irish landscape, so I wouldn't discount their past existence altogether.

Mind you, I could tell some 'quare' stories,( but then some folks would come on to say they were only out-dated bullkit) so I'll pass.

Pleaae share

DeadHand

dandyelevan wrote: »

Never saw any, (Fairys / Faeries?) but there's something chilling about their Forts, Rings which dot the Irish landscape, so I wouldn't discount their past existence altogether.

Mind you, I could tell some 'quare' stories,( but then some folks would come on to say they were only out-dated bullkit) so I'll pass.

Oh, spill.

It's what this forum is for.

Don't let the ridicule of the mediocre get to you.

Sam Kade

There's some place in Cork where the queen of the fairies lived and it was opened as a quarry in the late 70's. They had problems with machinery breaking down and going on fire so they had a mass said there and things settled down after that.

euser1984

Iceland is a place where the idea of fairies and elves existing are much more common. There is a documentary on youtube.

euser1984

daveyeh wrote: »

I once met a man in a pub who said he saw them all the time near his home in the country.

Then again, he took magic mushrooms every year the grew on his land, and he was on day release from a mental institution. (Not joking).


They don't exist.

Your moving into a whole new realm here in the sense of the question what is consciousness....I believe it may well be around us and invisible with our brain being an acute device that can tune into it.

Many dogs going to the toilet face north or south! More so females....I'd imagine that's what the birds use to migrate also though I can't confirm this.....I have experienced my dog quite often in the north/south position though.

So, what do magic mushrooms throw you into? Just a thought for consideration and not to be discussed really because there are no facts, nor (obviously) are there any facts on consciousness. Then, moving into mental illness (well, it certainly is an illness if it has negative effects on you and causes you to not be able to cope with normal life)....however, if what I said is true then it's throws mental illness on it's head entirely.....

I'm not sure if anybody here is familiar with schizophrenia but one of the effects of hearing voices that aren't there, which could go a long way to possibly gaining a real understanding of what consciousness is.

All the tv signals, mobile phone conversations etc. are swimming around in your room, head, and at the moment....I've never heard of a bunch of people standing around blocking a mobile phone signal so it's probably passing through us....If you could see this hidden world what would it look like.

Bongalongherb

According to a lot of Irish country folk and Icelandic people Fairies Elves & others exist around us all, but our visual properties regarding the electromagnetic spectrum are so limited to see such things we believe they don't exist. If we could see every electrical and infra-red radio wave through our eyes we would be completely blind. The human eyes and brain can only see a tiny portion of the light spectrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRjatXe5bis

endacl

Milly33 wrote: »

mmmmm love to say I would truly believe in them but I do and I don't.. I certainly though go messing around with fairy rings and forts

Better safe than sorry, eh? You wouldn't want to go messing with the decaying remains of the old tree stump that caused the slight discolouration of the ground and provided the perfect environment for a ring-shaped patch of perfectly ordinary fungus to appear!

Big Wex fan

My parents generation believed in them, both born in mid 1920s so pre-electrification and Dark Country roads.
My Father could tell yarns for hours around fairy rings & paths.
And stories about black dogs with devil eyes.
Long dark nights & no telly to watch!

Bongalongherb

I think fairies and elves and all of the other strange anomalies mentioned through the ages are just things that science hasn't understood yet. The new one in the last 50 years are the alien grays, we're still no closer to understanding any of them as strange as some are as millions of folk still encounter such things.

The only real scientific truth is that we only see visually a tiny part of the electromagnetic spectrum, who knows what we will eventually understand about all of this as technology advances.

Sam Kade

Big Wex fan wrote: »

My parents generation believed in them, both born in mid 1920s so pre-electrification and Dark Country roads.
My Father could tell yarns for hours around fairy rings & paths.
And stories about black dogs with devil eyes.
Long dark nights & no telly to watch!

Imagine that a whole generation, how come mine didn't and they were also born in the 1920's.

euser1984

endacl wrote: »

Better safe than sorry, eh? You wouldn't want to go messing with the decaying remains of the old tree stump that caused the slight discolouration of the ground and provided the perfect environment for a ring-shaped patch of perfectly ordinary fungus to appear!

Yeah but how do you explain bad things happening to those that have messed with them....maybe they lived in the holes in that tree and it's some sort of sacred place to them.

euser1984

In Christianity the forbidden fruit adam and eve story is a mushroom. The fly argaric....

other ancient art depicting mushrooms attached....

Mickeroo

euser1984 wrote: »

Don't turn this in a daft idea. The point is that all over the world and before telecommunications were developed you find the same ideas....with the same types of recorded pictures etc.

That isn't true, what people think they saw or experienced changes with the times & culture generally. The clearest example is how things like succubus were replaced by alien abduction when the space race was happening in the 60s and sci-fi entered the pantheon in the early 20th century. Both were likely just people experiencing sleep paralysis but due to different cultural factors they interpreted their delusions differently.

euser1984

Mickeroo wrote: »

That isn't true, what people think they saw or experienced changes with the times & culture generally. The clearest example is how things like succubus were replaced by alien abduction when the space race was happening in the 60s and sci-fi entered the pantheon in the early 20th century. Both were likely just people experiencing sleep paralysis but due to different cultural factors they interpreted their delusions differently.

I'll look into that but I just have 5 mins on the keyboard here..... ancient recordings on stone etc. all depict the same kind of things worldwide....

euser1984

It seems the thread has dried up. I'm disappointed but sure that's the way it goes....

endacl

euser1984 wrote: »

Yeah but how do you explain bad things happening to those that have messed with them....maybe they lived in the holes in that tree and it's some sort of sacred place to them.

How do you explain bad things happening to people who never went near them at all.

There's one in my mother's front garden. I cut down an old sycamore about 10 years ago and buried the stump. That 'fairy ring' is messed with every time I cut her grass. Nothing bad has happened yet, outside of the 'something bads' that life always throws up from time to time.

euser1984

Does it look like this?


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dandyelevan

euser1984 wrote: »

It seems the thread has dried up. I'm disappointed but sure that's the way it goes....

You could read some of Eddie Lenihan's Books on the subject.
He seems to be an authority on the subject, and a fine writer.

euser1984

dandyelevan wrote: »

You could read some of Eddie Lenihan's Books on the subject.
He seems to be an authority on the subject, and a fine writer.

Absolutely brilliant - I was gonna go searching in the county library for information on this.....what a find....how many mushrooms do I owe you?

dandyelevan

Ahh, how sweet of you to offer but I'm tryin' to give 'em up.
Seriously though, Eddie Lenihan seems to be the most recent authority on the subject of Faeries, etc, in Ireland.

He's still 'with us' and may even be contactable...if he has a website.

dandyelevan

There's a section on Eddie Lenihan on Boards.
Just type his name into the Boards.ie Search engine above.

euser1984

My point is that all these fairy beliefs, elves etc. come from the mushroom Psilocybe semilanceata or Liberty cap which is a hallucinogenic mushroom that grows wild in Ireland every year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_semilanceata

All the ancient celts and druids took them and thus their religious beliefs are based on them and they are depicted in ancient art and murals etc. as long as human recordings of any type exist; not only in Ireland, but all around the world.(although there are many different types of mushroom in other places) In fact, hallucinogenic drugs are still used in many religions around the world.

The adam and eve story and the forbidden fruit is based on one of these hallucinogenic mushrooms....SPECULATED! So, does that mean Christianity was designed to control people....well, look up the meaning of psychopathy....and the large problems it causes in the workplace.

Mushrooms and fungii are very very interesting. Take a look at this documentary https://youtu.be/Rs__kuTuuU0

The reason I started the thread is because two people that had taken Psilocybe semilanceata (should be out now in abundance in the wild (they are beautiful to look at), although illegal to pick I might add; which is a bit ridiculous) both reported the exact same thing....that being, an elf walking into a room and walking out again.

Here is a picture of that mushroom - they are beautiful and in season now....

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Allyall

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2596119/Away-fairies-University-lecturer-claims-photographed-real-life-tiny-tinkerbells-flying-air-British-countryside.html

DeadHand

Didn't Sean Quin notoriously come to ruin shortly after dismantling and moving a fairy fort?

euser1984

For the record I went into the local library today and I picked up about 7 or 8 books on Irish mythology and folklore, including a book on Ireland's witches....interesting stuff so far.

Does anybody know about deliberate avoidance of fairy forts or hawthorn trees, plants by construction workers or large firms in their projects, be they roads or whatever....

I know there is an odd looking mound near me, that looks like everything has been moved and dug away, with just this small mound sitting oddly in the middle untouched; I'll have to check and find out what's growing there.

euser1984

For those interested this is a great documentary - it seems mushrooms are more advanced genetically than humans; they also seem to have a type of intelligence...

https://youtu.be/Rs__kuTuuU0

Chaos Marine

I have to ask, can you tell me at what points in that documentary where it's stated that fungi are sentient, let alone more intelligent than humans? Or even more genetically advanced than us?

euser1984

Chaos Marine wrote: »

I have to ask, can you tell me at what points in that documentary where it's stated that fungi are sentient, let alone more intelligent than humans? Or even more genetically advanced than us?

It's actually one of Terence McKennas talks actually - I hope this is the right one.

https://youtu.be/4ZY1L3QLd9s

euser1984

I never said more intelligent than humans by the way....a different type of intelligence perhaps....

Chaos Marine

That's not actually intelligence. In creatures that would be called natural instincts. In plants or fungi in this case which are generally much simplier, it's a simple biological machine that performs certain tasks.

Let me try to explain it like this. A dog is a complex biological machine. It can trained. It can react in a multitude of different ways depending on local stimulus. Such as, if I throw a stick, the dog may fetch it to me or fetch it make me take it away to throw again. This is an animal with a working brain performing and reacting due to a whole range of different imperatives, temperaments and desires.

If, however, a plant or fungi, if I was to say cut a leaf off a plant or move a plant or fungus to a completely different location, it'll regrow the leaf or continue to exist in the new location if the location is conductive to it continuing to exist and do whatever it does naturally.

Another example would be, comparing something like a computer with an operating system that can allow you to perform a whole range of different tasks such as surfing the web or watching a movie or listening to music. A washing machine, however, have something called firmware. It's a very limited kind of operating system that can only perform certain tasks in a certain way and if it deviates away from these tasks, it's malfunctioning.

Trying to equate actual intelligence of any sort to a plant or fungi is wishful thinking. It's a simple biological machine doing what it's evolved to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

euser1984

Chaos Marine wrote: »

That's not actually intelligence. In creatures that would be called natural instincts. In plants or fungi in this case which are generally much simplier, it's a simple biological machine that performs certain tasks.

Let me try to explain it like this. A dog is a complex biological machine. It can trained. It can react in a multitude of different ways depending on local stimulus. Such as, if I throw a stick, the dog may fetch it to me or fetch it make me take it away to throw again. This is an animal with a working brain performing and reacting due to a whole range of different imperatives, temperaments and desires.

If, however, a plant or fungi, if I was to say cut a leaf off a plant or move a plant or fungus to a completely different location, it'll regrow the leaf or continue to exist in the new location if the location is conductive to it continuing to exist and do whatever it does naturally.

Another example would be, comparing something like a computer with an operating system that can allow you to perform a whole range of different tasks such as surfing the web or watching a movie or listening to music. A washing machine, however, have something called firmware. It's a very limited kind of operating system that can only perform certain tasks in a certain way and if it deviates away from these tasks, it's malfunctioning.

Trying to equate actual intelligence of any sort to a plant or fungi is wishful thinking. It's a simple biological machine doing what it's evolved to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

Just watch or listen or whatever....

Do you have a dog actually? A dog is that and a whole lot more....dogs can think...

euser1984

Mycillium can make decisions...