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EPA says Volkswagen cheated on emissions with 482,000 diesel cars

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    #722
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Thanks Boat Mad, all this makes for very interesting reading. Trouble sleeping? :p
    This really is fascinating and we'll see if others get caught.

    Dont sleep much. 😏


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    #723
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    I would be very surprised if a car was made illegal to drive and own. And I would like to know if those ginormous US made pickup trucks that leave a cloud of smoke like a steam engine are anywhere near as clean as the VW's. They probably have an exemption, if your vehicle is "'murican" enough, it is exempt from any environmental laws.
    Ah, would you know it, they are:
    http://electrifyingtimes.com/gasguzzlerloophole.html

    Remember most U.S. Light vehicles are petrol where nox production is minimal. The problem is diesels


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    #724
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Deedsie wrote: »
    I have a 2009 2.0 TDI Golf. Is there anyway I can check today if my car is affected by this? From VIN number?

    The engine is a CBDC apparently. Any suggestions how I could confirm if my car has EA189?

    Why are you worried. Your car is exactly the same today as it was a month ago


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    #725
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Remember most U.S. Light vehicles are petrol where nox production is minimal. The problem is diesels

    Just check out Rolling Coal on YouTube! :)


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    #726
    StereoSound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    My Octavia is a relatively new car and its the 1.6 turbo diesal model therefore I assume mine will be recalled. Just hope the software fix or whatever it is does not turn my car into a slouchy pig inorder to combat the emmisions.


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    #727
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    StereoSound wrote: »
    My Octavia is a relatively new car and its the 1.6 turbo diesal model therefore I assume mine will be recalled. Just hope the software fix or whatever it is does not turn my car into a slouchy pig inorder to combat the emmisions.

    Read over Boat Mad's posts over the last few pages.


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    #728
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    Thanks Boatmad for shedding some coherence on this. I too think they are trying to hide the truth with this software. I have never seen such a quick response to anything like this before. It smacks of smoke and mirrors. This is likely the cheapest option (recall) in the hope it will stop further scrutiny. I think ALL manufacturers are worried the rabbit hole is so illuminated.


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    #729
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    FortySeven wrote: »
    Thanks Boatmad for shedding some coherence on this. I too think they are trying to hide the truth with this software. I have never seen such a quick response to anything like this before. It smacks of smoke and mirrors. This is likely the cheapest option (recall) in the hope it will stop further scrutiny. I think ALL manufacturers are worried the rabbit hole is so illuminated.

    Agreed.
    The question is: It seems like the EU and the US must have known something, but were happy to let sleeping dogs lie, because it looks like they were warned often enough, but shrugged it off. Will they just make VW the scapegoat and hope no-one lifts up the carpet to see all the other crap under there?


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    #730
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    The question is: It seems like the EU and the US must have known something, but were happy to let sleeping dogs lie, because it looks like they were warned often enough, but shrugged it off. Will they just make VW the scapegoat and hope no-one lifts up the carpet to see all the other crap under there?

    I can't see America allowing that to happen, it's a perfect opportunity to boost domestic sales. I guess Merkel faces the choice of pushing VW over the edge or dragging the other German brands into the mix. Shaky ground VW are on if they take this alone though. The company is already valued at almost half of what it was before this news broke. Credit lines will be drying up. Lost sales, bans on sales in some countries and it seems a lot of unknowns to come.


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    #731
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    FortySeven wrote: »
    I can't see America allowing that to happen, it's a perfect opportunity to boost domestic sales. I guess Merkel faces the choice of pushing VW over the edge or dragging the other German brands into the mix. Shaky ground VW are on if they take this alone though. The company is already valued at almost half of what it was before this news broke. Credit lines will be drying up. Lost sales, bans on sales in some countries and it seems a lot of unknowns to come.

    Can't see the German government letting VW fail. They have on many previous occasions bailed out the industry. Along with the coal and steel industry.
    In the end the taxpayer will pick up the bill as usual.
    So the problem is not so much "what happens to VW" but "what happens to all of Germany", because either way this will cost them big.
    The worry is, if this damages the German economy, coupled with the stockmarket crisis in China, this could genuinely kick off another global recession, unless the US economy keeps on going strong.
    Maybe I am overestimating this crisis (happy to be wrong), but this is certainly not small change, be it for VW or Germany.


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    #732
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Can't see the German government letting VW fail. They have on many previous occasions bailed out the industry. Along with the coal and steel industry.
    In the end the taxpayer will pick up the bill as usual.
    So the problem is not so much "what happens to VW" but "what happens to all of Germany", because either way this will cost them big.
    The worry is, if this damages the German economy, coupled with the stockmarket crisis in China, this could genuinely kick off another global recession, unless the US economy keeps on going strong.
    Maybe I am overestimating this crisis (happy to be wrong), but this is certainly not small change, be it for VW or Germany.

    Not sure Merkel has the political capital within the EU blok to get away with a bailout, plenty countries looking for leverage over Germany thanks to her position on the refugee crisis. Not a lot of goodwill left for the Germans. The recession is coming anyway, this could well be the straw that breaks the camels back but if the markets fall, VW doesn't have far to go to be in real trouble.


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    #733
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    FortySeven wrote: »
    Not sure Merkel has the political capital within the EU blok to get away with a bailout, plenty countries looking for leverage over Germany thanks to her position on the refugee crisis. Not a lot of goodwill left for the Germans. The recession is coming anyway, this could well be the straw that breaks the camels back but if the markets fall, VW doesn't have far to go to be in real trouble.

    Hope not, we just got over the last one. it would be a very silly thing to kick off a global recession just to "stick it to the Germans".


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    #734
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    I have the car up for sale at the moment. And I was hoping for a straightforward sale. I fear this is going to slow any chance of a sale or reduce the value of the car? I am also stupidly impatient and I just want to know if it affects me or not.

    http://en.oiktv.com/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_diesel_engines#2.0_R4_16v_TDI_CR_81-176kW

    I think that is my engine anyway. Code CBDC and that has the EA 189 thing. Pain in the hole is all this is.


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    #735
    5W30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 694 ✭✭✭5W30


    Deedsie wrote: »
    I have the car up for sale at the moment. And I was hoping for a straightforward sale. I fear this is going to slow any chance of a sale or reduce the value of the car? I am also stupidly impatient and I just want to know if it affects me or not.

    http://en.oiktv.com/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_diesel_engines#2.0_R4_16v_TDI_CR_81-176kW

    I think that is my engine anyway. Code CBDC and that has the EA 189 thing. Pain in the hole is all this is.

    And this is why any sane buyer won't buy another VW in the future!


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    #736
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    5W30 wrote: »
    And this is why any sane buyer won't buy another VW in the future!

    Certainly a few good second hand bargains to be had for the buyer who can get his timing right.
    It will be the same as when the NCT came in initially, a lot of cars that were older were sold for a song by worried owners because "sure, it'll never pass, it's too old!" and buyers were saying "sure, it's no good anymore, but I'll give you a few quid out of the goodness of my heart!"
    And the same for VW's, a lot of very nervous people will try to get rid of it because "sure, it's ruined now!" and a lot of shrewd people will only be too glad to buy them, "sure it's ruined, but I'll give you a few quid for it, but it won't be much. I'm doing this out of the goodness of my heart!"
    If affected VW's become illegal in Ireland (0.0001% chance of this), the owners would be compensated by VW. Otherwise values my drop for a while, but wait 3-5 years (if even) and everyone will have forgotten about it. So to sell now would be daft, it would be like buying a house in '07 and selling it in '09.


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    #737
    Fiskar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Fiskar


    Credit Suisse reckon the emissions scandal could cost VW 87 Billion USD http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/02/news/companies/volkswagen-scandal-bp-credit-suisse/index.html

    Interesting times ahead


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    #738
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    5W30 wrote: »
    And this is why any sane buyer won't buy another VW in the future!

    Well this is my second VW and so far no complaints. First car held it value brilliant. I have had zero issues with this car until the current problem and it's not like it has affected performance?


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    #739
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,463 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    I would be very surprised if a car was made illegal to drive and own. And I would like to know if those ginormous US made pickup trucks that leave a cloud of smoke like a steam engine are anywhere near as clean as the VW's. They probably have an exemption, if your vehicle is "'murican" enough, it is exempt from any environmental laws.
    Ah, would you know it, they are:
    http://electrifyingtimes.com/gasguzzlerloophole.html

    But in the states they're not too bothered by it's overall emissions-fuel consumption or efficency - nox is their(current ) thing - and diesels struggle with nox -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #740
    JJJJNR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭JJJJNR


    :pac:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl8Bod3l3SU


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    #741
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    ^^^
    Well, because it's a pickup that is perfectly fine and dandy, yessirreebob (as long as you fire your guns in the air and go 'Yeeee-Haaaa!' at the same time), but them dirty VW's that produce about 1% of the sh*t coming out of those smoke stacks are absolutely unacceptable. We can't have that.
    I'm willing to bet that the difference in emissions from VW between what they're supposed to put out vs what they actually put out is less than the emissions caused in that single video. We sure like to make a song and dance about insignificant little things and ignore the real issues...


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    #742
    bigroad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,120 ✭✭✭bigroad


    JJJJNR wrote: »
    :pac:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl8Bod3l3SU

    We can have any of those big American pickup trucks here running around and taxed as a commercial.
    Our government don't offer any incentive to commercial vehicle owners here to buy greener.


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    #743
    Fiskar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Fiskar


    This story in the mail if true could be the death nail for the diesel car, at least PSA not implicated

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259067/It-s-not-just-VW-Official-tester-claims-four-diesel-car-giants-break-toxic-emissions-limit.html


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    #744
    Razorfish
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Razorfish


    SEAT have an online VIN checker now for diesel recall:

    http://www.seat.com/owners/diesel-engines/vin-number.html


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    #745
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 54,266 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Razorfish wrote: »
    SEAT have an online VIN checker now for diesel recall:

    http://www.seat.com/owners/diesel-engines/vin-number.html

    Great stuff my car isnt affected


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    #746
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,463 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    bigroad wrote: »
    We can have any of those big American pickup trucks here running around and taxed as a commercial.
    Our government don't offer any incentive to commercial vehicle owners here to buy greener.

    Oh yes they do - the price of diesel - very few drive pick ups with 4 litre petrol engines -and those that do pay at the pumps - yes an awful lot of "professionals" drive 4wd commercials to tackle the mean streets of Dublin but how do you stop that-
    I drive a 2 litre turbo diesel (van) - it replaced a 2.5 diesel Toyota and uses way less fuel - one of the reasons that Toyota is now off the market (though still highly regarded) is because it had fuel costs-

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #747
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Fiskar wrote: »
    This story in the mail if true could be the death nail for the diesel car, at least PSA not implicated

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259067/It-s-not-just-VW-Official-tester-claims-four-diesel-car-giants-break-toxic-emissions-limit.html

    Sounds like they set up roadside measuring posts and measured random cars going past.
    They don't call it the Hate Mail for nothing. You do know they've been voted Britain’s worst newspaper ahead of The Sun for a few years now? :pac:


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    #748
    Deedsie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    Razorfish wrote: »
    SEAT have an online VIN checker now for diesel recall:

    http://www.seat.com/owners/diesel-engines/vin-number.html

    I entered my VW Golf VIN and it came up saying "Your Car is not involved" Dont know if this is anyway accurate but sure hopefully it is a good sign


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    #749
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    bigroad wrote: »
    We can have any of those big American pickup trucks here running around and taxed as a commercial.
    Our government don't offer any incentive to commercial vehicle owners here to buy greener.

    only problem is they all use 6 litre cummins diesels. Dodge have started with a 3.0 V6 diesel in the 1500, if they could bring me a 3-4 litre V6 or preferably V8 diesel in an F150 id be all over it. We just don't get nice big pickups like the states do.


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    #750
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    only problem is they all use 6 litre cummins diesels. Dodge have started with a 3.0 V6 diesel in the 1500, if they could bring me a 3-4 litre V6 or preferably V8 diesel in an F150 id be all over it. We just don't get nice big pickups like the states do.

    Just have a look at those figures:

    http://www.maryngroup.com/product-listings/powerup/item/207-battle-of-the-diesel-engine-cummins-duramax-powerstroke

    Nothing under 6 liters. Saw another article that mentions 13 mpg (US), all this while we're saying "should I get the 1.5 or the 1.6? Ah Jeez, better get the 1.5 or the Greens will be mad at me!


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    #751
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Just have a look at those figures:

    http://www.maryngroup.com/product-listings/powerup/item/207-battle-of-the-diesel-engine-cummins-duramax-powerstroke

    Nothing under 6 liters. Saw another article that mentions 13 mpg (US), all this while we're saying "should I get the 1.5 or the 1.6? Ah Jeez, better get the 1.5 or the Greens will be mad at me!

    apparently the powerstroke 6 litre does 400 horses and returns an average 20 US Mpg which is 24 UK mpg , if the next iteration delivered a 5mpg improvement (US) id have that no bother, all 6 litres of it. then my only problem would be the 3.5 tonne on the GVW limit of a B licence.


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