EPA says Volkswagen cheated on emissions with 482,000 diesel cars

vectra

pippip wrote: »

Renault stocks fall 20% as several of their offices are raided by anti fraud detectives last week over emissions.

http://news.sky.com/story/1622554/renault-offices-reportedly-raided-over-emissions

Interesting alright.
Will this most likely brin Nissan into play as well?

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

as you say, all we have to go on at this stage are this years ten day figures, the rest is just speculation but they came within a whisker of losing market share in a massively expanding market. .

Well I am unsure how you see things but personally I would prefer to win by a whisker than lose by one.

ofcork

I heard an ad for vw on the radio going on about their association with ireland with the beetle built here and their great customer service.

Leonard Hofstadter

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but VW's sister brands Audi and Seat have all 'mysteriously' had their CO2 ratings raised by as much as 10 g/km in the past few weeks. The offical mpg has dropped by as much as 6 mpg.

Most A1s and Seat Leons are implicated in this latest scandal. Other models such as the Ibiza and various Q models, as well as the latest A4 are implicated. As with the EPA cheating, a lot of diesels are affected, though some petrols have also had their CO2 ratings raised.

So much for VW's pledge to be more honest and truthful to their customers, especially after saying that all the latest models are clean and cheat free :rolleyes:.

Seeing as some models will have been bought on lower CO2 (and hence motor tax) rates than was really the case, will the Government force the VW Group to pay for the lost revenue in taxation? They ought to be made do so, and VW should also be forced to pay fines to offset this cover up, not only was it immoral and dishonest it also means that some motorists will have bought a VW Group product over one of their competitors on the basis of lower running costs but in terms of motor tax and better resale value.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-audi-and-seat-deny-co2-cover

Long Time Lurker

I also see Enterprises took delivery of a consignment of VWs. Wonder how many it was. Bit early for hire cars!

Seth Brundle

VW postpones 2015 results, AGM as scandal effects unclear

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/vw-postpones-2015-results-agm-as-scandal-effects-unclear-1.2523932

BoatMad

Dieselgate is sooo last year

Long Time Lurker

It's only getting going

BoatMad

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

It's only getting going

gone in europe , unfixable in the US, where, I predict VW will buy back cars at a premium over market value

Henry Ford III

Read that VW are withdrawing the 1.6tdi and 1.4 petrol engines completely. All new 1.5 petrol and diesel units coming soon. Seems they are waving the white flag on this.

Special Circumstances

Half arsed as usual. Look after the US dealers but screw Joe Public... they might get away with that here but it won't go down so well in the states!
Volkswagen’s suggested fixes for its 2.0 liter and 3.0 liter diesel vehicles fitted with emissions-cheating software keep getting rejected, and now the automaker has decided on a plan to buy back some of the effected models—but only the certified pre-owned vehicles currently in the Dieselgate sales-ban limbo on dealership lots.


http://jalopnik.com/report-volkswagen-will-buy-back-some-used-dirty-diesel-1757444382

vectra

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Read that VW are withdrawing the 1.6tdi and 1.4 petrol engines completely. All new 1.5 petrol and diesel units coming soon. Seems they are waving the white flag on this.

Link to story?

Henry Ford III

vectra wrote: »

Link to story?

Do you not believe me?


p.s. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/94276/volkswagen-to-introduce-all-new-15-litre-engines

josip

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but "soon"
Would Q4 2017/2018 not be the normal EOL for the current generation of engine with or without emissions issues?

vectra

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Do you not believe me?


p.s. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/94276/volkswagen-to-introduce-all-new-15-litre-engines

I do indeed.
Just wanted to read about the 1.5 engines..

Frankie Lee

The share price has collapsed back down to the levels when the crisis arose, shareholders are planning on legal action against them.

Neilw

Frankie Lee wrote: »

The share price has collapsed back down to the levels when the crisis arose, shareholders are planning on legal action against them.

Could be a good to to invest.

BoatMad

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Read that VW are withdrawing the 1.6tdi and 1.4 petrol engines completely. All new 1.5 petrol and diesel units coming soon. Seems they are waving the white flag on this.

They are not withdrawing the engines, they are merely introducing newer models to comply with forthcoming emissions . Its the normal process of engine introduction

RedorDead

So german investigators DUH (Deutsche Umwelt Hilfe) have now named Fiat as the latest manufacturer cheating on Nox emissions. The fiat 500x produces NOX levels 11 to 22 times above the legal limit.

Fiat join Opel, Renault, BMW and Mercedes among the list of brands DUH found cheating on NOX emissions.

Story here: http://jalopnik.com/fiat-500x-diesel-produces-over-20-times-too-much-nox-ac-1758091189

Surely its time for the EU to order a europe wide independent review and to completely overhaul current system. Seems everyone is at it but VW made mistake of being caught in California.

colm_mcm

Imagine if fiat had to buy back the 7 cars they've sold in the last 2 years

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

Imagine if fiat had to buy back the 7 cars they've sold in the last 2 years

Fiat won't have to buy back any cars. If their original repair isn't satisfactory they'll just fix it again tomorrow.

Special Circumstances

colm_mcm wrote: »

Imagine if fiat had to buy back the 7 cars they've sold in the last 2 years

Funniest post I've seen this week. :pac:

reklamos

Looks like never ending story.
Daimler faces US lawsuit over diesel emissions
"A US law firm is suing the German premium carmaker for alleged violations of US emissions laws, claiming Daimler's BlueTech vehicles emit nitrogen oxide at levels 65 times higher than those permitted."

jimgoose

reklamos wrote: »

Looks like never ending story.
Daimler faces US lawsuit over diesel emissions
"A US law firm is suing the German premium carmaker for alleged violations of US emissions laws, claiming Daimler's BlueTech vehicles emit nitrogen oxide at levels 65 times higher than those permitted."

...and there goes Merc. Crikey! :eek:

Special Circumstances

"It's not a defeat device, we just happen to have the system turned on for temperatures around the specified test temperature and turn it off otherwise."

A great bunch of lads in fairness.

Long Time Lurker

Yeah its same old same old so its a huge story guilty of becoming a none story simply because people have become immune to the bad news at VW. The reverberation (or lack of) amongst the great unwashed doesn't truly reflect the sheer scale of the awful goings on at this company.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/03/day-ends-y-meaning-bad-news-volkswagen/

colm_mcm

Told you it would be grand.
They're cocky as ever in their ads again, so it's business as usual.

Special Circumstances

colm_mcm wrote: »

They're cocky as ever in their ads again.

If anything they've turned it up to 11.
Still didn't see f*ck all of them in California compared to subarus or toyota priusssss though.

Long Time Lurker

colm_mcm wrote: »

Told you it would be grand.
They're cocky as ever in their ads again, so it's business as usual.

Its anything but grand. Its just that it's boring old facts and figures now rather that shock affect headline. Ordinary idiots bore easily. That's all that's happened. Its fcukin monumental. How is it grand!

colm_mcm

As in, nobody cares anymore as predicted, it's all blown over here as far as selling cars goes.

Special Circumstances

Example February sales figures in America.

Toyota Corolla - 29,342
Subaru Forester - 12,239
VW Golf - 887

Wow
"Only 887 “conventional” Golf hatchbacks were sold in February, a 46-percent year-over-year decline."
887 Golfs (petrol only I guess) sold across 50 states. How many (of any engine type) were sold in Ireland in the same month?