Could Europe and the USA ever become Enemies?

blackcard

Down through the ages, the super powers of the day have often been enemies. Could you imagine a situation where Europe and the USA become Enemies? I don't know what would be the spark to make this happen, perhaps an argument over economic policies or resources. Would the USA be more powerful than Europe?

kneemos

Too similar.It would be akin to a civil war.

Birneybau

White on white war? Nah

the evasion_kid

Europoe is usa's bitch

Agricola

In a dystopian future where the Earth's natural resources are dwindling, I could certainly see the US and EU going to head to head over the last drop of oil.

kneemos

I can see our future descendants learning about the Unobtainium wars of 2029.

blackcard

kneemos wrote: »

Too similar.It would be akin to a civil war.

I think a lot of Americans would consider Europeans to be socialists and too liberal

Links234

Depends, if it's Trump with his finger on the button, then probably...

garrixfan

When the muslims take over in 2050, maybe?

Datallus

It's about 5000km from Galway to New-York, so we'd need a boat to fight them.

blackcard

Datallus wrote: »

It's about 5000km from Galway to New-York, so we'd need a boat to fight them.

It is even further from New York to Moscow but that didn't prevent a Cold War

garrixfan

Datallus wrote: »

It's about 5000km from Galway to New-York, so we'd need a boat to fight them.

What's the closest point? I'm gessing Ronaldo's homeplace, Madeira

kneemos

garrixfan wrote: »

What's the closest point? I'm gessing Ronaldo's homeplace, Madeira

West Scotland I'd say.

justchecked

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Europoe is usa's bitch

shouldn't you be commenting on a youtube military video.

the evasion_kid

justchecked wrote: »

shouldn't you be commenting on a youtube military video.

No

Datallus

blackcard wrote: »

It is even further from New York to Moscow but that didn't prevent a Cold War

Yeah but Alaska is only about 50 miles from Russian territory so it made it easier.

They probably used small boats for the cold war. It is pretty nippy up around there.

blackcard

kneemos wrote: »

West Scotland I'd say.

Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

liam24

Europeans are already fed up of the US's interference in the middle east, and the refugee crisis is a very tangible knock-on effect of that. When Israel finally goes for all-out genocide in Palestine, I could see the US supporting it and European countries being against it. Because of security concerns and energy concerns, this could all lead to European countries like France and Germany aligning themselves with Russia.

Skylinehead

kneemos wrote: »

Too similar.It would be akin to a civil war.

You know we had a Western Europe vs Western Europe war about 70 years ago? They were "too similar" as well.

garrixfan

blackcard wrote: »

Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

That's hella cool

4068ac1elhodqr

Not a chance.

If anything a trans-Atlantic, free-trade pact, or some sort of common single market would not only be a viable option, but possibly an necessity. Single currency (euro-dollar) might even be an idea, even free movement of peoples (as both areas share common goals and outlook).

A combined 800m (circa) market population would be required to compete with two separate (near equal) markets of well over 1bn (each) by 2050 and onwards, and that's excluding any other new pacts emerging also e.g. latino-asia-russ.

kneemos

blackcard wrote: »

Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

In a straight line,but they fly in an arc so the more northerly you are the shorter the distance due to the earths curve.

Badly Drunk Boy

garrixfan wrote: »

What's the closest point? I'm gessing Ronaldo's homeplace, Madeira

Between New York and Madeira, it's 3149 miles.
Between New York and Galway, it's 3064 miles.
Between New York and Reykjavik, it's 2613 miles.

KomradeBishop

No, but the USA can certainly create enemies for Europe and keep us weak, by playing us off against Russia and the Middle East - which European politicians are thick/stupid enough to co-operate with.

folamh

Aren't Europe and the US considered politically and ideologically oppositional? The US is a beacon of free market capitalism and Christian fundamentalism, while Europeans (in particular the Scandinavian countries) are socialistic heathens.

Never mind that Scandinavia's success relative to the rest of Europe in the past <10 years is down to embracing free trade and cutting taxes. Never mind that the origins of free market capitalism are in France. And never mind that some of the most dangerous Christian fundamentalists are in Ireland.

Ten of Swords

I would think the closest point is probably Saint Pierre and Miquelon

The islands are part of the EU

Datallus

kneemos wrote: »

In a straight line,but they fly in an arc so the more northerly you are the shorter the distance due to the earths curve.

Obviously, because of gravity, but won't someone just go in a boat? Then you still have to travel in an arc, unless you're using a submarine, which might complicate things.

KomradeBishop

folamh wrote: »

Aren't Europe and the US considered politically and ideologically oppositional? The US is a beacon of free market capitalism and Christian fundamentalism, while Europeans (in particular the Scandinavian countries) are socialistic heathens.

Never mind that Scandinavia's success relative to the rest of Europe in the past <10 years is down to embracing free trade and cutting taxes. Never mind that the origins of free market capitalism are in France. And never mind that some of the most dangerous Christian fundamentalists are in Ireland.

No. The US is heavily NeoLiberal politically/economically, and Europe is just 'NeoLiberal Lite' - with the EU/Euro being used to enforce this political/economic policy.

folamh

blackcard wrote: »

Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

I've always thought that, despite Britain being a global superpower, Ireland is in a sense more "connected" to American culture than Britain is or has been - or at least, Ireland is more ready to welcome American influence. We're closer to America geographically and we have no patriotic allegiance to British culture.

kneemos

Datallus wrote: »

Obviously, because of gravity, but won't someone just go in a boat? Then you still have to travel in an arc, unless you're using a submarine, which might complicate things.

Didn't mean an up down arc.They fly in a northerly arc.

folamh

KomradeBishop wrote: »

No. The US is heavily NeoLiberal politically/economically, and Europe is just 'NeoLiberal Lite' - with the EU/Euro being used to enforce this political/economic policy.

The US and Europe are more like frenimies.

Alexis Sanchez

blackcard wrote: »

Achill Head in Mayo is the nearest point in Europe to America

No, the Azores Islands are the closest part of Europe to America. They're apart of Portugal and they're located on the European side of the Eurasian tectonic plate.

Timberrrrrrrr

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

No, the Azores Islands are the closest part of Europe to America. They're apart of Portugal and they're locate on the European side of the Eurasian tectonic plate.

Wouldn't it be the US embassy in Dublin which is considered "American soil"

cerastes

Skylinehead wrote: »

You know we had a Western Europe vs Western Europe war about 70 years ago? They were "too similar" as well.

And a great war before that, and 1 before that in 1870, and before that one in Eastern Europe, there was a biggie around 1815, and before that in europe for 7 years or so, every 20-50 years or so, we seem to be overdue, I'm not looking forward to it.

Datallus wrote: »

Obviously, because of gravity, but won't someone just go in a boat? Then you still have to travel in an arc, unless you're using a submarine, which might complicate things.

Gravity? yes because its all downhill when you get nearer the equator? and then its uphill all the way to SA, Australia and the rest of the colonies

DanielODonnell

Americans are cringy anglophiles, I like to bury my head in the sand and pretend USA doesn't exist.

A Primal Nut

Birneybau wrote: »

White on white war? Nah

World War 1?
World War II?
Cold War?

Datallus

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Americans are cringy anglophiles, I like to bury my head in the sand and pretend USA doesn't exist.

They sure make good donuts, so I think we should keep onto them, just for that.

Son Of A Vidic

blackcard wrote: »

Could Europe and the USA ever become Enemies?

No chance. A puppet master doesn't fight with their puppets.

cml387

Not necessarily a war between US and Europe. But a war involving China and the US with Europe staying well out of it would be a possibility.

If you read "Resurrection Day" by Brendan Du Bois, he has a scenario where the Cuban missile crisis turned into a nuclear war between the US and USSR where Europe was not involved.

The Backwards Man

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

No, the Azores Islands are the closest part of Europe to America. They're apart of Portugal and they're located on the European side of the Eurasian tectonic plate.

Iceland has its fingers in both pies plates.

asherbassad

KomradeBishop wrote: »

No, but the USA can certainly create enemies for Europe and keep us weak, by playing us off against Russia and the Middle East - which European politicians are thick/stupid enough to co-operate with.

The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.

The Backwards Man

asherbassad wrote: »

The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.

Don't forget the lizard people, they're in on it too.

asherbassad

Birneybau wrote: »

White on white war? Nah

Like skin colour is ever a factor in war.
When has a war EVER been waged where control of money and resources hasn't been the crux of the argument.

asherbassad

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Don't forget the lizard people, they're in on it too.

Ah, the usual response.

josephryan1989

blackcard wrote: »

Down through the ages, the super powers of the day have often been enemies. Could you imagine a situation where Europe and the USA become Enemies? I don't know what would be the spark to make this happen, perhaps an argument over economic policies or resources. Would the USA be more powerful than Europe?

Eh...the US has already been at war with Spain, France, the UK, Germany, Italy and Russia during its history.

Eugene Norman

asherbassad wrote: »

The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.

The American empire is pretty much self financing.

Eugene Norman

America is already anti-European in many respects.

1) it's right wing is hostile to "socialist" Europe.
2) it's left wing spends most of its time on anti-Eurocentricism or something called "white privilege" an ideology that ignores American power and privilege
3) neo cons who are pro Israel and happy to see the ME and Europe burn or be de stabilised.

A Europe that wants to survive needs to be anti-American.

blackcard

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Eh...the US has already been at war with Spain, France, the UK, Germany, Italy and Russia during its history.

But they haven't been enemies of Europe as a whole

josephryan1989

blackcard wrote: »

But they haven't been enemies of Europe as a whole

De-colonization was a key part of American foreign policy post WW2. Arguably through military interventions, support for pro-American governments or pro-American rebel groups, the United States was in a war with the French, British, Dutch, Portuguese and Belgians at the same time as they all opposed the Russians and the Chinese.

In Ireland although the IRA was left wing and pro-Soviet and took arms from Gaddaffi, at the same time the US government was hostile to British occupation troops in Northern Ireland and did little to stop Irish-Americans from sending money for the "cause." Republicans like Senator King and Democrats like Tip O'Neill and Ted Kennedy were leading lights guiding American foreign policy towards Northern Ireland. Tying British troops down fighting a domestic war kept them out of other commitments and meddling with American plans elsewhere in the world.

There was an American hand in the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands in 1982. The Americans backed off and stood back while the British took them back and let a key ally in South America against Communism get humiliated. Many Anglophobic Americans hope the British would lose - they very nearly did - and Argentina would have allowed American oil companies to move in and exploit the archipelago's allegedly rich resources.

The French, Russians and Chinese sought to lift the sanctions against Saddam before the 2003 invasion and restore their business as usual relationship that existed pre-1991. Post Obama's withdrawal of troops from Iraq, the Iranians and the Russians have established close ties with both the Iraqi and Syrian governments. The French built Saddam a nuclear reactor that was about to become operational in the early 1980s before it was destroyed by an Israeli airstrike. Relations between Mitterrand and Reagan were very low after that one.

iDave

It's the left wings wet dream anyway.

KomradeBishop

asherbassad wrote: »

The European monarchies and banking houses control all finance and power within an American global framework. To think that the American empire both financial and militarily backed up is separate from the European centres of international monetary control is naive.

Didn't say it was separate - what you've said there (regardless of whether I agree or not), is compatible with my original post there.