Web Summit quits Dublin

Muahahaha · 23-10-2015 4:50pm

smash wrote: »

Looks like a request to me.

So now saying

I told you to stop using it .

looks like a request to you?

You've been caught out trying to shut debate down here by telling posters what they can and can not say. Rather than man up and admit you did this you instead try to wriggle out of it. Your words are there for all reasonable people to see and to judge.

ThisRegard · 23-10-2015 4:51pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

ah here you're getting personal now, a sure sign someone is losing an argment is when you do that and start telling people what they can and cannot say.

There simply isn't enough straws for you to grasp if you think you're even any where close to drawing this debate.

smash · 23-10-2015 4:52pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

ah here you're getting personal now, a sure sign someone is losing an argment is when you do that and start telling people what they can and cannot say.

You started this kind of thing about 50 posts ago

Anyway, I'm out. You know what they say about arguing on the internet.

Muahahaha · 23-10-2015 5:29pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

There simply isn't enough straws for you to grasp if you think you're even any where close to drawing this debate.

I'm not the one trying to censor people as to what they can and can't say. When a poster does that the argument is lost, it smacks of frustration and desperation that they find difficulty addressing the main points and instead have to resort to throwing the toys out of the pram and ordering other posters not to say something. At best its childish, at worst its bordering on fascist.

Muahahaha · 23-10-2015 5:33pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

You honesty can't tell the difference between grants and aid, areas within state agencies remit, and what you actually expected the taoiseach to do?

Where did i mentioned grants and aid. I said State involvement, i.e the State does something. That something could be as complex as the IDA buying land and leasing it below market rates or it could be as simple (as in Cosgraves case) as pointing him in the right direction. The Dept of the Taoiseach couldn't even do that.

I find it bizarre that people on here think that our taxpayer funded Dept of the Taoiseach acted competently and professionally on this. They did not and if they had of we might not be in this mess right now.

smash · 23-10-2015 5:38pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Where did i mentioned grants and aid. I said State involvement, i.e the State does something. That something could be as complex as the IDA buying land and leasing it below market rates or it could be as simple (as in Cosgraves case) as pointing him in the right direction. The Dept of the Taoiseach couldn't even do that.

They did do that. Why don't you just start reading the replies you've received pointing out where you're in the wrong, and address the points and questions that have been put to you? Because at this rate you're borderline trolling.

jimmynokia · 23-10-2015 5:44pm

Sold out now according to Paddy..

smash · 23-10-2015 5:49pm

jimmynokia wrote: »

Sold out now according to Paddy..

At 5.30 on a Friday evening. How convenient:)

Muahahaha · 23-10-2015 5:52pm

smash wrote: »

They did do that. Why don't you just start reading the replies you've received pointing out where you're in the wrong, and address the points and questions that have been put to you? Because at this rate you're borderline trolling.

I've addressed several points and questions several times. If people on here are so blinkered by their dislike of Cosgrave then so be it. All I've done is made the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here in a major way. That much is plainly obvious but rather than admitting it you're blinkered over your dislike of Cosgrave and have instead ended up in the unconformable position of trying to defend an incompetent and unprofessional Dept of the Taoiseach (which is inclusive of the aforementioned 'senior civil servants' in case you didn't realise :rolleyes:)

smash · 23-10-2015 6:00pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

I've addressed several points and questions several times. If people on here are so blinkered by their dislike of Cosgrave then so be it. All I've done is made the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here in a major way. That much is plainly obvious but rather than admitting it you're blinkered over your dislike of Cosgrave and have instead ended up in the unconformable position of trying to defend an incompetent and unprofessional Dept of the Taoiseach (which is inclusive of the aforementioned 'senior civil servants' in case you didn't realise :rolleyes:)

Just stop clutching at straws.

jimmynokia · 23-10-2015 6:25pm

smash wrote: »

At 5.30 on a Friday evening. How convenient:)

Done deal https://www.donedeal.ie/search/?words=web%20summit&sort=relevance%20desc&section=all&adType=forsale&source=&max=30&start=0

Adverts
http://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/q_WEB+SUMMIT/

LOL Hardly selling because they are getting value for money

Muahahaha · 23-10-2015 6:39pm

smash wrote: »

Just stop clutching at straws.

Look smash you don't like Cosgrave, I get that. But the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here is still a very valid one. There's no getting away from that. No getting away from the fact that they take two weeks to reply to an email and that they let €108m value to the economy slip right through their hands and into the hands of the Portugese govt. These are the facts of the matter and you can't see it because you don't like Cosgrave. I couldn't care less about him but no citizen should be treated in that incompetent and unprofessional manner, not Cosgrave, not me and nor you either.

ThisRegard · 23-10-2015 6:41pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Where did i mentioned grants and aid. I said State involvement, i.e the State does something. That something could be as complex as the IDA buying land and leasing it below market rates or it could be as simple (as in Cosgraves case) as pointing him in the right direction. The Dept of the Taoiseach couldn't even do that.

I find it bizarre that people on here think that our taxpayer funded Dept of the Taoiseach acted competently and professionally on this. They did not and if they had of we might not be in this mess right now.

We're not in any sort of mess. You're overestimating the importance of the Web summit. Didn't you previously say you attended once, so presumably you're in the industry and are aware of its worth.

Your basis now for any argument you try make is that everyone disagreeing with you are doing so because they don't like Cosgrave, which is utter nonsense.

smash · 23-10-2015 7:04pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Look smash you don't like Cosgrave, I get that. But the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here is still a very valid one. There's no getting away from that. No getting away from the fact that they take two weeks to reply to an email and that they let €108m value to the economy slip right through their hands and into the hands of the Portugese govt. These are the facts of the matter and you can't see it because you don't like Cosgrave. I couldn't care less about him but no citizen should be treated in that incompetent and unprofessional manner, not Cosgrave, not me and nor you either.

That's non sense. Was it rude to not reply for two weeks? Maybe. But the way I see it, it's like me emailing my post man about an issue with my street sign so it really doesn't bother me that much. They didn't let anything slip away. What you've stated is not fact. There's nothing they could have done without major back lash. PC knew who to go to, he didn't. It was all done on purpose. He orchestrated this plan so he could leave, get paid, and make it look like he didn't have a choice. He did!

flouncer · 23-10-2015 7:16pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Look smash you don't like Cosgrave, I get that. But the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here is still a very valid one. There's no getting away from that. No getting away from the fact that they take two weeks to reply to an email and that they let €108m value to the economy slip right through their hands and into the hands of the Portugese govt. These are the facts of the matter and you can't see it because you don't like Cosgrave. I couldn't care less about him but no citizen should be treated in that incompetent and unprofessional manner, not Cosgrave, not me and nor you either.

All the waffle aside most folks have an issue with paddy as a cheapskate. His use of interns over waged personnel, his insisistence that anybody else but him picks up the bill while he charges outlandish entrance fees to the event. I am happy to admit that I do not support his business practices. I appreciate that you go into private business to generate a profit. But social conscience is also another attribute required by successful businnesses to ensure social stability and employment that allows us to provide for our dependents. Paddy shows little of that, hence the reason he may not get the appreciation he so obviously craves

smash · 23-10-2015 7:21pm

flouncer wrote: »

But social conscience is also another attribute required by successful businnesses to ensure social stability and employment that allows us to provide for our dependents. Paddy shows little of that, hence the reason he may not get the appreciation he so obviously craves

That, plus taking credit for other people's ideas and software and all the goings on with his micandidate business.

flouncer · 23-10-2015 8:14pm

smash wrote: »

That, plus taking credit for other people's ideas and software and all the goings on with his micandidate business.

Strangely I find myself disagreeing with you. In times past I represented a technology analyst company. I attended CeBit and the web summit among others. These are important events. We provided information from said events to fund managers on technologies that might and might not succeed. CeBIt didn't own the technology nor does the Web Summit. They are important showcases of technology for investment firms and analysts who provide key information to these funds. So is the Web Summit an important event? The answer is a definite yes. Hence its success. The issue is how a particular business person does his business. Will the Web Summit succeed in Lisbon?. Without doubt. It is needed wherever it lives

smash · 23-10-2015 10:10pm

flouncer wrote: »

Strangely I find myself disagreeing with you. In times past I represented a technology analyst company. I attended CeBit and the web summit among others. These are important events. We provided information from said events to fund managers on technologies that might and might not succeed. CeBIt didn't own the technology nor does the Web Summit. They are important showcases of technology for investment firms and analysts who provide key information to these funds. So is the Web Summit an important event? The answer is a definite yes. Hence its success. The issue is how a particular business person does his business. Will the Web Summit succeed in Lisbon?. Without doubt. It is needed wherever it lives

I think you've got your wires crossed here. In the recent past he had to issue an apology because during an interview he claimed conception and ownership of an app that he literally had nothing to do with.

flouncer · 23-10-2015 10:16pm

smash wrote: »

I think you've got your wires crossed here. In the recent past he had to issue an apology because during an interview he claimed conception and ownership of an app that he literally had nothing to do with.

Maybe true smash. Paddy is liable to do anything to further himself. What I said is that the business concept of the Web Summit is solid and will succeed no matter where it exists. Or at least I thought that's what I said :-). And exactly how did I get MY wires crossed?

smash · 23-10-2015 10:33pm

flouncer wrote: »

Maybe true smash. Paddy is liable to do anything to further himself. What I said is that the business concept of the Web Summit is solid and will succeed no matter where it exists. Or at least I thought that's what I said :-). And exactly how did I get MY wires crossed?

I mention that he claims conception and ownership of someone else's product, gets caught out and has to issue a public apology and you say to disagree(with a fact..) and went off on a tangent about VC firms. So that's where you're getting your wires crossed.

flouncer · 23-10-2015 10:41pm

smash wrote: »

I mention that he claims conception and ownership of someone else's product, gets caught out and has to issue a public apology and you say to disagree(with a fact..) and went off on a tangent about VC firms. So that's where you're getting your wires crossed.

Did I quote your said reference? Was I responding to your said reference? Both answers are NO. While we all have opinions please don't shove mine into yours. Thanks.

smash · 23-10-2015 10:56pm

flouncer wrote: »

Did I quote your said reference? Was I responding to your said reference? Both answers are NO.

Actually, yes you did.

flouncer · 23-10-2015 11:07pm

smash wrote: »

Actually, yes you did.

Just checked back and so I did. Huge apologies. It wasn't my intention to do so. I did want to highlight the value of the web summit. Sorry about that one smash. Can I claim old age :-)

smash · 23-10-2015 11:15pm

flouncer wrote: »

Just checked back and so I did. Huge apologies. It wasn't my intention to do so. I did want to highlight the value of the web summit. Sorry about that one smash. Can I claim old age :-)

I knew there were crossed wires

Tivoli1300 · 26-10-2015 6:35pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

wow, major blow to Dublin as a "tech capital".

no doubt this is mostly due to the embarrassing broad band wifi service provided last year by the RDS which really riled the organisers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0923/729704-web-summit/

More like lucky escape perhaps. Trinity might need to do more on its ethics input to BESS courses.

http://calacanis.com/2015/04/24/warning-avoid-the-apply-to-present-angel-pitch-contest-event-scams/

smash · 27-10-2015 10:14am

This tweet is pretty funny...

https://twitter.com/JohnHamill151/status/648099986002083840/photo/1

Tivoli1300 · 27-10-2015 11:06am

smash wrote: »

This tweet is pretty funny...

https://twitter.com/JohnHamill151/status/648099986002083840/photo/1

Lol
And at least John Hamill had the form to redact contact details unlike Paddy Cosgrave in his release of those confidential emails - a move that had backfired spectacularly as it is nakedly obvious that he was trying to set up govt as fall guy.

Win win for him it must have seemed - Govt gives in to his high pressure sales techniques, instant riches and kudos for PC: Govt resists and they lost this 100m ðŸ˜³ gig for Ireland.

Some business model - get a few tech rock stars to attend, generate huge buzz, pull start ups in with smoke and mirrors and dodgy marketing, get businesses around town to sponsor some of the things the fee should be covering, use low cost interns instead of staff: then when it gets big enough, blackmail Govt into bankrolling transport, venues, VIP escorts etc.

There are ways to make money, run a great gig and have fun doing this kind of thing while keeping faith with other values like fairness, give and take or just old fashioned decency.

I really hope a different version of this emerges - We can and should do better.

super_furry · 02-11-2015 5:44pm

Looks like Paddy Cosgrave has been letting himself down again - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/taoiseach-s-web-summit-invite-sent-at-9pm-on-friday-1.2414314

Treating the Taoiseach like some start-up underling of his, throwing him an invite to the Web Summit 48 hours before it starts and expecting him to drop everything to be there. I wouldn't be Enda Kenny's biggest fan by any stretch but treating the Taoiseach like he's some 'last minute, everyone else cancelled so you'll do wedding guest' is poor form.

smash · 02-11-2015 6:19pm

super_furry wrote: »

Treating the Taoiseach like some start-up underling of his, throwing him an invite to the Web Summit 48 hours before it starts and expecting him to drop everything to be there.

Is it a "free" invite that's only going to cost a few grand?

Tivoli1300 · 02-11-2015 6:24pm

super_furry wrote: »

Looks like Paddy Cosgrave has been letting himself down again - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/taoiseach-s-web-summit-invite-sent-at-9pm-on-friday-1.2414314

Treating the Taoiseach like some start-up underling of his, throwing him an invite to the Web Summit 48 hours before it starts and expecting him to drop everything to be there. I wouldn't be Enda Kenny's biggest fan by any stretch but treating the Taoiseach like he's some 'last minute, everyone else cancelled so you'll do wedding guest' is poor form.

Manners maketh the man.

kidneyfan · 02-11-2015 6:31pm

The Dept of Foreign Affairs correspondence with the IDA looks very odd.

Tivoli1300 · 02-11-2015 7:00pm

kidneyfan wrote: »

The Dept of Foreign Affairs correspondence with the IDA looks very odd.

It is indeed odd - why on earth should it matter to DFA - its a 3 day conference/ networking event, big yes, but not of huge importance to anyone other than the organisers.

TallGlass · 02-11-2015 7:05pm

This is like a broken record, let him move it over there. Jaysis, never seen this fuss when the likes of Dell moved to Poland.

smash · 02-11-2015 7:15pm

TallGlass wrote: »

This is like a broken record, let him move it over there. Jaysis, never seen this fuss when the likes of Dell moved to Poland.

Eh, there was national uproar over that. And numerous mini documentaries etc. on Irish TV.

02-11-2015 7:17pm

Ruth Coppinger wants Kenny to Nationalise the Web Summit?

TallGlass · 02-11-2015 7:18pm

smash wrote: »

Eh, there was national uproar over that. And numerous mini documentaries etc. on Irish TV.

Well god save us if we have documentaries on this. Don't be giving Paddy ideas FFS.

TallGlass · 02-11-2015 7:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger wants Kenny to Nationalise the Web Summit?

Might aswell nationalise Clearys while they are at it so. Clock is a Dublin icon.

redman85 · 03-11-2015 10:22am

https://blog.websummit.net/whats-for-lunch-the-best-of-irish-artisan-produce-at-food-summit/

They have to be taking the piss... €20 for a token that gets you a main course and a drink at the food summit!!

smash · 03-11-2015 10:35am

redman85 wrote: »

They have to be taking the piss... €20 for a token that gets you a main course and a drink at the food summit!!

I wish they'd stop putting 'summit' after everything....

Accelerator Summit, Angel Summit, Careers Summit, City Summit, Code Summit, Content Summit, Data Summit, Design Summit, Enterprise Summit, Fashion Summit, Food Summit, HealthTech Summit, Investor Summit, Machine Summit, Marketing Summit, Money Summit, Music Summit, Night Summit, Society Summit, Sport Summit, Startup Summit, Surf Summit

Sofiztikated · 03-11-2015 10:53am

smash wrote: »

I wish they'd stop putting 'summit' after everything....

Accelerator Summit, Angel Summit, Careers Summit, City Summit, Code Summit, Content Summit, Data Summit, Design Summit, Enterprise Summit, Fashion Summit, Food Summit, HealthTech Summit, Investor Summit, Machine Summit, Marketing Summit, Money Summit, Music Summit, Night Summit, Society Summit, Sport Summit, Startup Summit, Surf Summit

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/540/681/b7d.jpg

Tarzana2 · 03-11-2015 11:16am

redman85 wrote: »

https://blog.websummit.net/whats-for-lunch-the-best-of-irish-artisan-produce-at-food-summit/

They have to be taking the piss... €20 for a token that gets you a main course and a drink at the food summit!!

That doesn't seem expensive, pretty standard.

gandalf · 03-11-2015 11:34am

Tarzana2 wrote: »

That doesn't seem expensive, pretty standard.

I was at last years Web Summit, thankfully the company realised that for us it is a big waste of time and didn't compel me to go this year.

If that €20 is paying for what was supplied last year as part of the general ticket then it is taking the piss and is gouging of the highest order.

keithclancy · 03-11-2015 11:38am

Always looked like a pile of wánk to me, more like a meeting for everyone to sniff each others farts.

I went the AWS Summit in Amsterdam and that was free and very useful, even the beer and food was free.

Some great presentations and training sessions.

Dublin is just expensive to go to and also Web Summit itself was expensive, the agenda wasn't every very interesting either.

Tarzana2 · 03-11-2015 11:56am

gandalf wrote: »

If that €20 is paying for what was supplied last year as part of the general ticket then it is taking the piss and is gouging of the highest order.

Oh yeah, if the standard of food was crap, then it's a rip off. I more meant if the food was decent to good.

Larbre34 · 03-11-2015 12:25pm

Cosgrave is beginning to believe his own publicity now, and is starting to outgrow his boots.

Having spent time there I can say Lisbon is a fine City, but he can expect to find there many of the issues he so easily denigrates Dublin for, plus quite a few more. On the other hand he won't so readily find there the positives that Dublin has to offer. Traffic and hotel gouging is part and parcel of big city conference reality, all he has to do is look at the rugby in England or the cities in France hosting the football next year. And crime and security is a bigger problem in Lisbon than it is in Dublin, and thats saying something these days...

Once he is done with his over the top criticism of his home town, maybe next year he will live to regret the positives of being located here that he forgot. Don't hurry back now Paddy.

gandalf · 03-11-2015 12:25pm

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Oh yeah, if the standard of food was crap, then it's a rip off. I more meant if the food was decent to good.

On one of the days last year you got a small portion of a chicken a la king type concoction, a bread roll, some what could be described as samples of cheeses and a bottle of soft drink.

If they are charging for the same this year then it is crazy. I'll wait to hear back from people I know who have gone but I wouldn't be holding my breathe expecting them to get a slap up meal for their €20

gandalf · 03-11-2015 12:34pm

Oh and there were packs of crisps as well. I have a feeling they may have been promotional and supplied by the brand themselves.

gramar · 03-11-2015 12:41pm

I thought Portugal had taken this pile of **** off our hands.

smash · 03-11-2015 12:58pm

gramar wrote: »

I thought Portugal had taken this pile of **** off our hands.

Only after this Thursday.

redman85 · 03-11-2015 12:59pm

Tarzana2 wrote: »

That doesn't seem expensive, pretty standard.

https://twitter.com/CaitrionaDwyer/status/661511773221208064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

pretty standard alright :rolleyes:

Web Summit quits Dublin

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