Alien: Covenant Spoilers from post 747

Tony EH · 24-03-2017 02:29PM

Speaking of stupid films...

Oh god, let's not go there.

Bacchus · 24-03-2017 03:44PM

Tony EH wrote: »

It isn't very logical though is it?

The idea that you'd use something like the xenomorph as a weapon is mind-numbingly dumb. This is a weapon that, more than likely, is much, much worse than the enemy you want to destroy, leaving you with an even harder enemy to deal with. Plus, their ability to breed makes them an extreme danger to everything including the user.

There isn't any situation where this thing can be used as a logical weapon. It's just a ridiculous idea to me.

While people like the idea of solving a mystery, when the answers turn out to be so thick, it's better to just leave the mystery.

It's simple really, you then send in bears to kill all the aliens.

They could maybe retcon it in Covenant that the goo is the actual weapon and/or creator of life (we don't see eggs on the ship that was heading for Earth) and the goo is linked to the Aliens which are a natural phenomenon used by the engineers to harvest/create the goo. So, the aliens aren't the weapon in this case, they are merely being exploited by the engineers much like humans want to exploit them and it backfired on them... much like it backfires on humans.

Again I totally agree, some mysteries are better without an explanation. Prometheus provided a half-way decent one that with a bit of 'fill in the blanks' in Covenant could be quite satisfying.

Alonso77 · 24-03-2017 03:49PM

I don't think it was ever really hinted at that engineers created the xenomorph/alien as opposed to messing the black goo but the mural on the wall did lead to a lot of the confusion and ambiguity.

Hopefully covenant will clean up at least some of the muddled stuff

Tony EH · 24-03-2017 04:01PM

Bacchus wrote: »

It's simple really, you then send in bears to kill all the aliens.

:pac:

Bacchus wrote: »

They could maybe retcon it in Covenant that the goo is the actual weapon and/or creator of life (we don't see eggs on the ship that was heading for Earth) and the goo is linked to the Aliens which are a natural phenomenon used by the engineers to harvest/create the goo. So, the aliens aren't the weapon in this case, they are merely being exploited by the engineers much like humans want to exploit them and it backfired on them... much like it backfires on humans.

The goo is even more random that the xenomorphs though. It seems very arbitrary in what it does. One the one hand it can turn men into space zombies and on the other can make women pregnant with space squids.

Bacchus wrote: »

Again I totally agree, some mysteries are better without an explanation. Prometheus provided a half-way decent one that with a bit of 'fill in the blanks' in Covenant could be quite satisfying.

The problem with the explanations here is that they weren't smoke tested beyond the initial "cool" factor. When one stops to think about the logic of Scott's ideas they don't survive even basic questioning.

His explanations just throw up so many problems.

Tony EH · 24-03-2017 04:03PM

Alonso77 wrote: »

I don't think it was ever really hinted at that engineers created the xenomorph/alien as opposed to messing the black goo but the mural on the wall did lead to a lot of the confusion and ambiguity.

That's what makes me think that the Engineers had, at least, some previous knowledge of it.

Ipso · 24-03-2017 04:38PM

Also weren't the engineers in Prometheus much smaller than the space jockeys from Alien?
My main issue with Prometheus is that it presented some answers that may only be explained with more convoluted answers.

Frank Bullitt · 24-03-2017 05:18PM

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

Interesting that they put it there, but still obscured it. Are they hinting that the queen will be in the movie but didn't want to out and out spoil it, or is it just a little something to get fans chatting?

Odd, I thought of this when I saw it first. From the first movie in the chamber.

buried · 24-03-2017 05:27PM

I must get me some HR Giger artbooks. I could look at that kind of work for hours

Frank Bullitt · 24-03-2017 05:49PM

buried wrote: »

I must get me some HR Giger artbooks. I could look at that kind of work for hours

You'll trip balls looking at it, I have one and it's madness in print.

Ipso · 24-03-2017 06:33PM

buried wrote: »

I must get me some HR Giger artbooks. I could look at that kind of work for hours

His landscapes are a bit intetesting, to say the least.

Frank Bullitt · 24-03-2017 07:20PM

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Modelled after this it seems.

Ipso · 24-03-2017 08:05PM

For some reason it reminded me of The raft of The Medusa.

Frank Bullitt · 04-04-2017 06:39PM

http://www.cbr.com/alien-covenant-prometheus-noomi-rapace/

New spot released, slightly spoilerish.

ArthurG · 13-04-2017 06:19PM

oops

BelovedAunt · 16-04-2017 03:45AM

buried wrote: »

I must get me some HR Giger artbooks. I could look at that kind of work for hours

Alien is one of top 5 films but I found most of his art hideous to look at. It's ahead of its time but I just find it thoroughly unpleasant.

judeboy101 · 16-04-2017 07:07AM

Alien superticket on sale in some cinemas http://mobi.odeoncinemas.ie/films/alien_covenant_superticket/17290/

17-04-2017 08:05PM

They need to just release this now
The whole plot will be know by the time it's released
I'm trying my best to ignore any more info, but most related YouTube videos have the spoilers in the actual thumbnail

I took the Friday off work to go see this. Sad I know. Do you reckon there will be any earlier screenings than the 19th?

Keplar240B · 18-04-2017 01:00AM

Scream, Run, Hide, Hype.

Dontfadeaway · 19-04-2017 09:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They need to just release this now
The whole plot will be know by the time it's released
I'm trying my best to ignore any more info, but most related YouTube videos have the spoilers in the actual thumbnail

I took the Friday off work to go see this. Sad I know. Do you reckon there will be any earlier screenings than the 19th?

Did you take the wrong date off? Isn't it out the 12th here?

I've stopped watching all the new clips too.

19-04-2017 09:56PM

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Did you take the wrong date off? Isn't it out the 12th here?

I've stopped watching all the new clips too.

Edit:
Changed my dates :-)

Thanks for the heads up, I owe you one
Every poster I saw said the 19th, even on Irish websites :-( but that was a few months back, but some still have the poster which says the 19th, but then give the correct date in their speil

Bring it on!!!!

TerrorFirmer · 20-04-2017 09:58AM

I haven't even seen the original trailer. I don't know what the obsession is lately with revealing the entire plot structure in trailers, but I've just started blanket ignoring them all (I think Terminator Genysis was the last straw - the biggest plot twist of the movie is in the bloody trailer, I thought it surely must be misdirection..... nope, but still treated like a massive reveal in the movie itself) - apart from those I inevitably can't avoid whilst actually at the cinema. If it's a big movie I tend to just try and play with my phone for a few minutes and ignore it as best I can.

Tony EH · 20-04-2017 10:11AM

These days, I'll watch the teaser and that's it.

Far, far too much revealed in the main selling trailers. It just isn't worth it.

Mickeroo · 20-04-2017 10:22AM

Yeah the last Planet of the Apes was another one where they had the part where Koba

shoots two guys

in the trailer was another baffling one. Thankfully I saw the warnings and didn't see it beforehand but I went back afterwards to see what the spoiler was everyone was giving out about and they had the entire scene in there! What a way to lessen the impact of one of the most pivotal scenes in the film.

Tony EH · 20-04-2017 10:28AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yeah the last Planet of the Apes was another one where they had the part where Koba
shoots two guys
in the trailer was another baffling one. Thankfully I saw the warnings and didn't see it beforehand but I went back afterwards to see what the spoiler was everyone was giving out about and they had the entire scene in there! What a way to lessen the impact of one of the most pivotal scenes in the film.

Amazing how many trailers do that nowadays. Terribly bad idea and I'll never get my head around it.

It's like making a trailer for 'The Empire Strikes Back' and having the "No, I am your father" scene stuck in it. :eek:

Then again, you have the opposite nonsense where the trailer contains footage that doesn't appear at all in the film.

20-04-2017 11:30AM

I went to see "life" last week in cinema

Just before it came on, Scarlet Johannson came on the screen and introduced an extended trailer for Ghost in the shell, which I had luckily seen the day before, as it was basically like watching the entire movie in fast forward

It was so ridiculous.

I really feel like they have shown too much in the Alien Covenant trailers and released way too much of the plot online. I think they are desperate to let people know that this will not be Prometheus 2, but a proper "Alien" movie

And be damed my curiosity