Alien: Covenant *Spoilers from post 747*

Alonso77

Seemingly another title change...

http://movieweb.com/prometheus-2-title-alien-covenant-paradise-lost/

Sad Professor

Probably not the last title change. Put the thread title back to Prometheus 2 for now.

McLoughlin

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a774040/ridley-scott-renames-alien-paradise-lost-alien-covenant/

Right I'm confused so we had ​Prometheus 2 and an Alien film with Ripley then the Alien film got shelved and now Prometheus 2 is an Alien film called Covenant with Ripley ?


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evosteo

its all over the place at the minute

Sad Professor

It's not that confusing.

Prometheus was always a de facto Alien film with at least one planned sequel. It wasn't called Alien because that was the (lame) twist. Ta-da, we're an Alien film! Now that the cat is out of the bag, I guess having Alien in the title of the sequel makes sense from a studio POV. They couldn't really call it Prometheus 2 anyway since the ship was destroyed in the first film and the stealing fire from the gods storyline was kinda played out. Whatever, it's still a Prometheus sequel. And maybe we'll see Ripley as a baby or something.

Alien 5 with Weaver and Biehn was just some retcon fanfic that Blomkamp somehow sold to Fox execs with some concept art. Then they looked at Chappie's box office returns and thought twice.

Zubeneschamali

Keplar240B wrote: »

What is a retcon is that a reboot?

No, a retcon is not a reboot.

There are two kinds of retcon - one is adding new information in a later story which was not mentioned in the earlier one, but doesn't contradict it. For example in Aliens extended edition, Ripley has a daughter who is never mentioned in Alien.

The other is adding stuff in a later movie which changes the events in the earlier story. Often this is a reveal that someone who died is not actually dead. In the case of the Alien franchise we have the reverse: Alien 3 reveals that more aliens got on the Sulaco somehow, Ripley went into hypersleep without checking, and everyone who apparently survived Aliens actually gets killed as a result.

Blomkamp's movie would seem to be a reboot after Aliens to ignore that bit, but I suppose it could be a very complicated (and ill-advised) retcon.

Facekicking 2 The Future

About 13-14 years ago.


There was talk of Sigourney Weaver and Arnold Schwarzenegger teaming up for Alien 5 in a script written and directed by James Cameron. Ridley Scott was supposed to produce.

Like Blomkamp's film it would have retconned/wiped everything after Aliens.

Instead FOX went with Aliens Vs Predator.

evosteo

"Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition."

taken from the alien facebook page

shazzerman

evosteo wrote: »

"Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition."

taken from the alien facebook page

No room for Noomi?

Drumpot

Anybody play the newest Alien game Alien Isolation ? It would actually make a great movie IMO. I felt it was a great mix of Alien and Aliens.

Sad Professor

Is Noomi definitely in this?

evosteo

the feeling im getting from that quote is that it is probably set along time, maybe hundreds of years after prometheus was set and because "david" is synthetic hes just hanging together and noomi has passed away??

and new human explorers just stumble across this new planet

Mr Freeze

evosteo wrote: »

the feeling im getting from that quote is that it is probably set along time, maybe hundreds of years after prometheus was set and because "david" is synthetic hes just hanging together and noomi has passed away??

and new human explorers just stumble across this new planet

Looks like they have written her out and I bet David is the creator of the Xenomorph we know from the Alien films so.

Sad Professor

But Prometheus was set only 30 years before the events of Alien. Everything Scott has said so far suggests this is a prequel trilogy, so a big jump forward in time seems unlikely.

I suppose it could be set 10 years later and Noomi is dead. But if she is out, then it seems strange that we haven’t heard anything until now.

Tony EH

evosteo wrote: »

the feeling im getting from that quote is that it is probably set along time, maybe hundreds of years after prometheus was set and because "david" is synthetic hes just hanging together and noomi has passed away??

and new human explorers just stumble across this new planet

That sounds bloody stupid.

I thought 'Prometheus' was supposed to be kicking off a trilogy that leads up to the events in 'Alien'? Now, there's no more Naomi Rapeface after a brutal cliffhanger ending, leaving the majority of viewers wanting to know what happened to her?

WTF?

I really wish they'd just leave the "Alien" universe alone.

Belial

I'm sure even if she's dead we'll find out what happened to her.

Zubeneschamali

Belial wrote: »

I'm sure even if she's dead we'll find out what happened to her.

Maybe an alien who wasn't seen in Prometheus got loose on the ship while they were in hypersleep!

No, that would be stupid.

Mr Freeze

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Maybe an alien who wasn't seen in Prometheus got loose on the ship while they were in hypersleep!

No, that would be stupid.

They took off on another alien ship to the one shown so it could have anything on board.

All the goo might have fallen over when they left the planet, that ship was pointing straight up after all. :pac:

Keplar240B

Was not david is just a head last we saw him?

Jon Stark

Disappointing if Noomi is out and Fassbender is the only relevant connection to Prometheus. Pretty ruthless decision if true.

Ipso

The writer of Prometheus got a lot if criticism, but isn't this universe Scott's (and others involved with the original) creation?
It seems like there's a whiff of making it up as they go along, or the original big picture story Scott had was crap or he thinks the new one is better.

Zubeneschamali

Ipso wrote: »

or the original big picture story Scott had was crap or he thinks the new one is better.

Hey! Don't diss Blue Space Jesus!

Mr Freeze

Keplar240B wrote: »

Was not david is just a head last we saw him?

When Shaw was rappelling out of the crashed ship at the end, you can see they took David's body too, sent it to down the rope before she rappels out.

PirateShampoo

evosteo wrote: »

"Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition."

taken from the alien facebook page

Sounds like the plot from the recent "Fire and Stone" Alien/Prometheus/Predator comic series.

OU812

I wonder if they'll rebrand Prometheus as "Alien: Prometheus" now

Duggy747

Or going by Scott's recent hankering for religious themes - Alien: Jesus Christ :pac:

weemcd

They better keep Noomi Rapace in this, fantastic actress.

Belial

So Blomkamp's sequel will (or 'would have' - hopefully 'will'!) focus on a grown-up Newt.

blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/michael-biehn-says-neill-blomkamps-alien-wouldve-focused-on-newt-2-xenomorphs-rumored-for-alien-covenant-20151123

"They’re planning on bringing me and Newt back and at this point Newt will be around twenty-seven years old," Biehn said. "I know that every actress in Hollywood is going to want to play this one, it’s really a passing of the torch between Sigourney and this younger actress who would play Newt."

cowboyBuilder

So we will disregard Alien3 - not happy with that, it's a great film .

Tony EH

I don't think you need be too unhappy.

Blomkamp's idea is dead in the water.

It was ridiculous to begin with TBPH.

Zubeneschamali

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

So we will disregard Alien3 - not happy with that, it's a great film .

I'll disregard Aliens 3 and 4, AvP and AvP II, Prometheus and Prometheus 2, and you can disregard Blomkamp's movie, if it is ever made, OK?

(I may disregard it, too, depending on the reviews.)

cowboyBuilder

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I'll disregard Aliens 3 and 4, AvP and AvP II, Prometheus and Prometheus 2, and you can disregard Blomkamp's movie, if it is ever made, OK?

(I may disregard it, too, depending on the reviews.)

Agree with all , except Alien 3 - especially the "directors" cut ... underrated film.

Tony EH wrote: »

I don't think you need be too unhappy.

Blomkamp's idea is dead in the water.

It was ridiculous to begin with TBPH.

I thought it was going ahead ?

Tony EH

Last I heard it was "shelved".

cowboyBuilder

Tony EH wrote: »

Last I heard it was "shelved".

Well, hope this Prometheus 2 makes up for the awfull tripe of the 1st.

Zubeneschamali

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Well, hope this Prometheus 2 makes up for the awfull tripe of the 1st.

You are more hopeful than me!

cowboyBuilder

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

You are more hopeful than me!

Purely because last time I checked Damon Lindehoff has nothing to do with this one ...

Duggy747

I liked most things about Prometheus bar the writing and the crazy editing in the last 3rd. The film gave a terrible sense of how many people were on that ship with them suddenly vanishing (and some reappearing after being killed earlier).

The trailer is probably the best thing about the whole film :pac:

Tony EH

IIRC, the trailer was really only a copy of the great trailers for 'Alien' and 'Aliens'.

But, it sure made it look like a much better film than it actually was.

evosteo

"Ridley Scott confirms every kind of xenomorph will appear in Alien: Covenant"



http://www.gamesradar.com/ridley-scott-confirms-every-version-xenomorph-will-appear-alien-covenant/?utm_content=buffer41282&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_tffb

Duggy747

Be interesting to see what Scott does with the Alien Queen since that was separate from his film. I doubt it'll be in this film or even acknowledged.

Alonso77

new cast news for Alien Covenant

http://www.slashfilm.com/alien-covenant-casts-billy-crudup/

Duggy747

Would love to see Scott make use of some proper body-horror this time around.

This concept art of Holloway dying like this when he was in bed with Shaw would've been rotten to see. Rather than immediate death from a chestburster, this thing just slow peels itself out

Alonso77

http://www.blastr.com/2016-5-23/leaked-alien-covenant-set-images-portray-shocking-slaughter

(Spoilerish) looks intriguing!

Seems like Alien Covenant is official title too (for thread title)

bnt

Sad Professor wrote: »

Is Noomi definitely in this?

We now have new from Deadline that she is in the movie after all, on set in Australia at the moment.

Kidchameleon

Thank f**k. It would be silly if she wasnt in it

Sad Professor

I dunno, I reckon they only brought her back because of the fan reaction and she'll be Newt'd in the first 10 minutes.

Myrddin

Sad Professor wrote: »

she'll be Newt'd in the first 10 minutes.

Zubeneschamali

Sad Professor wrote: »

I dunno, I reckon they only brought her back because of the fan reaction and she'll be Newt'd in the first 10 minutes.

The other possibility is that she'll appear only in the last 10 minutes - Charlton Heston in Beneath the Planet of the Apes

Frank Bullitt

Pictures from the sets look interesting!

Oafley Jones

Sad Professor wrote: »

I dunno, I reckon they only brought her back because of the fan reaction and she'll be Newt'd in the first 10 minutes.

Were people actually clamouring for her inclusion? She wasn't the worst thing about the last one, but she certainly wasn't good.