Raw 28-9-15

Lithium93_

Kane has never been the most stable Superstar on the roster — or the most level-headed executive in the boardroom — but The Devil’s Favorite DOO has been particularly dichotomous since re-emerging at Night of Champions to attack WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins. As the WWE Universe waits to see what both Demon Kane and Corporate Kane will do next, what else awaits on Monday night’s hottest show?

IT'S 2015, KANE WOULD YOU PLEASE JUST ****ING RETIRE ALREADY, TAKE BIG SHOW WITH YOU TO BOOT

1. This man, this monster
2. What’s next for the Divas Revolution?
3. Snake in the swamp
4. Who will challenge John Cena for the U.S. Title?
5. Brutality before The Beast

J. Marston

The period between September and January where we're treated to the drizzling shíts of WWE. Winter is coming.

1. Kane in a mask? Whoop-dee-doo...
2. Divas Revolution? Who cares?
3. Snake in the swamp? More rambling from Wyatt and roided-up Samwell Tarly will look like an eejit.
4. Doesn't matter, they'll lose.
5. Lesnar? The one saving grace.

the groutch

J. Marston wrote: »

Winter is coming

surely you mean Katie Lea Burchill

Stereomaniac

Looking forward to seeing an open challenge tonight hopefully. They're usually my highlight.

JP Liz V1

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing an open challenge tonight hopefully. They're usually my highlight.

Will it be an Nxt debuting

Stereomaniac

I feel it is my turn to make the obligatory expression of desire that it be Finn and he wins it!

riffmongous

Hm, I'd rather see Finn being built up first with a few weeks of vignettes rather than be another surprise open challenger

Pinkman

Who will Seth lose to this week? Can't recall a Heavyweight champion lose as often as he does - it's beyond a joke at this stage. How is he meant to draw as a heal? People are hardly going to pay to see him lose at a PPV when they can see it every week on Raw and Smackdown. It's bizzare.

Stereomaniac

The champion is no longer the main draw in WWE and hasn't been for many years I believe. Having said that, I always am a bit of a mark for viewing the champion as most important.

ricero

Would love it to be somoa Joe

ricero

Surely even cena can't bury each member of the new day ?

J. Marston

I don't ask for much, WWE, but if you let Woods win the title, I won't criticise you for a whole year.

paconnors

Nice square match now

Angron

Love how commentary didn't even notice that Xavier hit his finisher.

Stereomaniac

Which move was his finisher, was it that thing he hit him with when he bounced off the ropes?

Angron

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Which move was his finisher, was it that thing he hit him with when he bounced off the ropes?

It was where he grabbed Cena's arm, put his boot to Cena's jaw, and then fell back pulling Cena down into the boot. It's called Lost in the Woods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdiht-JW8fw

Stereomaniac

Oh yeah, of course. How could I forget that? I guess it's so long since we saw him use it sure.

Angron

True, but surely it's part of the job for commentary to know these things.

Stereomaniac

Yeah, you'd think that wouldn't you? But Angron, there are bodies everywhere, Cena's rollin!

the groutch

time to make Show look like a threat to Lesnar.

ricero

Big show vs mark henry in 2015 brother !

Stereomaniac

It would have been nice if Mark Henry put him in the bearhug for an entire segment. Lost opportunity!

Moneymaker

ricero wrote: »

Big show vs mark henry in 2015 brother !

Meh if they have to feed someone to him better its Henry rather then someone like Cesaro.

Stereomaniac

Sure you'd go mad if you ate the same thing at the same time every week. He did Swiss already.

Liam McPoyle

It just shows how bad the product has gone when people dont make it more than an hour into a 3 hour show.

The sooner it gets back to 2 hours the better.

Angron

Business Cat wrote: »

It just shows how bad the product has gone when people dont make it more than an hour into a 3 hour show.

The sooner it gets back to 2 hours the better.

Yeah, I ended up giving up pretty quick. Just didn't seem worth it to stay up the three hours.

Lord TSC

Sped through 3 hours in about 40 minutes.

High points were New Day (who'd have thought Big E and Kofi would become some of the best promo guys in WWE :O), Miz TV (I actually thought Becky did better here than she has in previous promos) and the Reigns/Bray brawl to close the shows.

The low points were too numerous to mention though. Too many "stories" not developing at all, Kane and Big Show still getting prominent positions, and the supernatural stuff shouldn't be anywhere near the WWE title right now (unless its Undertaker).

I don't think I've ever felt as disconnected from the product as I do right now...

grames_bond

The Kane and Seth Rollins segment was one of the worst ones they have done in a long long time!

If it wasn't for The New Day I wouldn't have cared about a single segment!

ricero

HR Ashley is already better than the whole divas revolution

Faugheen

Catching up now.

The New Day, Roman Reigns and Bray Wyatt are the only things keeping Raw going nowadays.

Pinkman

grames_bond wrote: »

The Kane and Seth Rollins segment was one of the worst ones they have done in a long long time!

It really was dreadful wasn't it? It dragged on way too long and the writing as terrible - I mean Rollins going on about a private audience with the Pope?:rolleyes:

What was with the awful pedigree though? It was almost as though Kane was preparing for Rollins to do the Buckle Bomb to him as he kept his arms down. Looked very awkward. Ridiculous how the Curb Stomp is banned as it would've been perfect for when Kane was bending over.

Bounty Hunter

Faugheen wrote: »

Catching up now.

The New Day, Roman Reigns and Bray Wyatt are the only things keeping Raw going nowadays.

It's always the case at this time of year but it's even more startling now than even a few years ago when people said the same thing about The Shield, Daniel Bryan and CM Punk.

Felt odd there was no Cesaro or Sheamus on this show too, not that either (cos Cesaro never has a storyline) were really missed.

Angron

It's a real shame they took the Curb Stomp from Rollins, he's suffered for it. He still doesn't look completely comfortable doing the Pedigree, certainly doesn't look as natural as Triple H.

SureYWouldntYa

Angron wrote: »

It's a real shame they took the Curb Stomp from Rollins, he's suffered for it. He still doesn't look completely comfortable doing the Pedigree, certainly doesn't look as natural as Triple H.

He's not big enough for it to look right

the groutch

no surprise the ratings have gone lower again.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_87758.shtml#.Vgxc9PmeC4R

you know it's bad when they're talking about pre-attitude numbers.

The White Feather

This says it all about the current state. What happened to Sandow? Like Cesaro he was over and then just forgotten about by the WWE

https://twitter.com/ProWrestlingMag/status/649272776507957248

Chain Smoker

The White Feather wrote: »

This says it all about the current state. What happened to Sandow? Like Cesaro he was over and then just forgotten about by the WWE

https://twitter.com/ProWrestlingMag/status/649272776507957248

Several things:

• The split was handled really badly
• Sandow was left with no choice but to completely change his character following the split
• The Miz's role in the duo was seriously underestimated (as evidenced by how he's been overall pretty damn good since)
• Sandow, having to develop a new character, just got abandoned by creative

Stereomaniac

Damien Sandow mimicked The Miz for a number of months and it went nowhere for him because The Miz is actually the better of the two. No doubt that Damien Sandow is a great wrestler and performer but what did he do in his team with The Miz other than mimic what The Miz was doing? It was just one of those things that caught on but was completely overblown as if it was the angle of the year for some people. It was just a guy copying another.

Bounty Hunter

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Damien Sandow mimicked The Miz for a number of months and it went nowhere for him because The Miz is actually the better of the two. No doubt that Damien Sandow is a great wrestler and performer but what did he do in his team with The Miz other than mimic what The Miz was doing? It was just one of those things that caught on but was completely overblown as if it was the angle of the year for some people. It was just a guy copying another.

tbh your right and as others have said at the time The Miz's role in it all wasn't being given enough credit but creative 100% dropped the ball with Sandow after it and despite them knowing it'd come to an end for ages did virtually nothing with him.

Rate he mimic gimmick or not imo Sandow had made chicken salad from chicken **** with the roles he had been given (dressing up as local heroes included prior to the Miz buisniess) and no matter how good Miz was as part of their duo Sandow deserved to be given a shot at something when it finished.

Omackeral

To add to the above.

They've killed Bad News Barrett, an over character and made him a crappy generic jobber King.

They never gave us the Cody Rhodes vs Goldust payoff at WrestleMania, could've made Cody/Stardust seem more of a big deal than the add in to an already overbooked multi man match.

They've demoted the Prime Time Players back to nobodies mere months after being champions , just because the Dudleys are here. Why not keep them relevant too.

Rusev is a great actor and wrestler, but they've zero idea how to use a guy after killing an undefeated streak. Was similar with Ryback. You just know he's never beat a Cena. Ditto for Kevin Owens too. Could've been very solidly upper mid card with Bray, Reigns and Orton instead of dead centre mid.

DM_7

Main event was very well done. They could have built up to that moment more though. Reigns v Wyatt is a good example of how WWE should grow two people at the same time rather than put them in predictable feuds.

Its a shame so much of the show is so poorly thought out. Take the first part (New Day, Cena, Dudleys) of the show, put it with the last part (Reighs, Wyatt) and it was great.


Charlotte and Becky teaming with Paige was really stupid, made all three look bad.

NyOmnishambles

Honestly

I loved the Kane stuff, the severed head in the box whilst predictable was awesome

Plus I just prefer to have Evil Kane around than Corporate Kane all the time

Maybe it shouldn't be done with the guy who has the title but I am finding it fun and better than some of the filler they could be serving up

Becky did well on Miz Tv but they really have to give her some singles matches to show what she can do, all she ever ends up being in the tag matches is cannon fodder

deviladvocate

That Kane and Rollins stuff was fantastic!!!
Yes it was over the top and silly, but it's wrestling!!! We're talking about Kane, the guy who debuted as the Undertaker's brother that kept setting people on fire and had an argument about who started the fire that killed their parents... And hooked a car battery up to Shane O'Mac's nuts... He's a monster, that monster has been suppressed and has to get out, and Rollins is going crazy with Kane torturing him... The segment got both messages across!!

People take wrestling too seriously, it's supposed to be fun and over the top! Enjoy it for it's ridiculousness!!!

Stereomaniac

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

tbh your right and as others have said at the time The Miz's role in it all wasn't being given enough credit but creative 100% dropped the ball with Sandow after it and despite them knowing it'd come to an end for ages did virtually nothing with him.

Rate he mimic gimmick or not imo Sandow had made chicken salad from chicken **** with the roles he had been given (dressing up as local heroes included prior to the Miz buisniess) and no matter how good Miz was as part of their duo Sandow deserved to be given a shot at something when it finished.

Damien Sandow is after falling into that Zack Ryder category for me this year. It seems like he was punished for getting over to the extent that he did off of the back of that run teaming with The Miz. He could have done something surely. The Miz was always the star of that show though I feel, he's great at just getting basic heat from an audience. But the whole thing was handled badly afterwards.

DM_7

A lot of the people who can entertain in backstage segments and play the fool during matches struggle to put together matches that are any use. For a variety of reasons from a lack of real presence to looking completely unconvincing as a guy who can beat up their opponent.

It's why New Day are so great, they can entertain, the gimmick compliments their in ring performance and be convincing, credible winners of a match.

Miz can't, Sandow with his mimic character was not engaging for a match. Stardust has the same problem, bell to bell his character isn't engaging like Goldust was.

Stereomaniac

On the Goldust thing, a reason why he became so entertaining in my eyes was because of where he came from in-ring wise. In recent years I found myself amazed thinking that this was the same guy who had been so much heavier and slower during the mid 1990s WWF. I think a big thing with Damien Sandow was that he wasn't able to put that extra little bit on top of what he was given. Maybe it was his fault but also he could've used support.

Chain Smoker

Stereomaniac wrote: »

On the Goldust thing, a reason why he became so entertaining in my eyes was because of where he came from in-ring wise. In recent years I found myself amazed thinking that this was the same guy who had been so much heavier and slower during the mid 1990s WWF. I think a big thing with Damien Sandow was that he wasn't able to put that extra little bit on top of what he was given. Maybe it was his fault but also he could've used support.

If he's at all like Goldust he just has to do is drop all the substance abuse issues!

Goldust, like Jake, probably largely got to where he got by having a huge chip on his shoulder with loads of father issues (he's basically said as much a few times, hasn't he?). That's a pretty strong but volatile motivation.



One thing I've always seen as a bit of an issue with Reigns is that he just seems like a really happy, calm, family man. That's not the kind of guy who is going to do a Cena type schedule for any kind of length, you basically need someone who's a bit messed up.

Having a look through the roster, here's my selections of who seems mentally off enough to either be, or could have been had they been handled differently, the top guy:

• Ryback

...won't lie, I expected that list to be short, but not that short. Either I've an extremely pessimistic outlook for the future of the WWE or this is the stupidest post I'll ever post.